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Post by sswcharlie on Oct 18, 2024 15:10:44 GMT -8
Hi
Looking for info on the early version, single flywheel, of the FP7 from late 70s. Drawing photo etc. Just to ID what I have.
Thanks
Charles Harris
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Post by scl1234 on Oct 19, 2024 5:25:06 GMT -8
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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 19, 2024 8:55:55 GMT -8
Saturday, 10/19/24, starting about 12:45 p.m.
Gentlemen, I'm glad scl1234 was able to post the link to the Atlas/Roco FP-7 parts diagrams.
I'll add the following in case you, Charles Harris, may find it interesting. I have one of the FP-7s made in Austria, but not the papers that came with it; and I haven't been able to find my car card that would show when I bought it. I probably bought it sometime after the late 1970s. I used a copier at local public library to make an image of mine, which is nicely decorated as Canadian Pacific 4068 in the maroon (or wine red) and gray livery with yellow striping and lettering, with the road name in script and the number in railroad Roman. Two-tone brown beaver atop a red shield with white script road name, flanked by yellow stripes. Trucks and all lower parts are black. It's very heavy. Note that the first diagram shows that it has two flywheels. The Roco name does not appear on the box or on the model but Austria does. All hand rails and grab irons are cast onto the body. So it's not superdetailed by more recent standards, but I like it. The only change I made to it was to replace its X2F couplers with Kade's, which I painted.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 19, 2024 10:03:29 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 19, 2024 12:54:11 GMT -8
I'm not sure about older Atlas runs, but in the early 2000's "E-R Models" (a Roco importer?) did a run of those Atlas/Roco FP7's in Canadian Pacific paint. They also rereleased the old Model Power Sharks. |
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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 19, 2024 16:35:20 GMT -8
10/10/24, about 8:32 p.m., EDT
Judge Doom, the E-R Sharknose Baldwins came in E-R's own boxes. I have a pair of the A's that the firm sold decorated for the D&H. My Atlas CP FP-7 4068 is in an Atlas box.
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Post by slowfreight on Oct 20, 2024 7:01:54 GMT -8
I'm not sure about older Atlas runs, but in the early 2000's "E-R Models" (a Roco importer?) did a run of those Atlas/Roco FP7's in Canadian Pacific paint. They also rereleased the old Model Power Sharks. Briefly, in the early 90s, Atlas reran them as yellow box before they were marketed by E-R models. Regarding the "full-width" steam generator, those of us modeling HEP-equipped E's and F's would love to have that problem on a modern shell. Sigh. |
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Post by cpr4200 on Oct 20, 2024 9:34:34 GMT -8
The nose and windshields weren't rendered too well on the Roco FP's, either.
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 23, 2024 0:20:38 GMT -8
The nose and windshields weren't rendered too well on the Roco FP's, either. Among the issues with the shell were stubby/short side stirrup steps, large square-ish numberboards, coupler box cast into the pilot (sitting a bit low, due to high ride height?), the wonky early Atlas truck sideframes, wide steam generator hatch, F9-style vertical louvres between the portholes instead of the typical F7-style horizontal ones, tallish front nose door. Throw in the cast-on handrails, and questionable cab/nose proportions, and there you go. tycotrain.tripod.com/atlashoscaletrainscollectorsresource/id1.htmlThat said, they were the only option for an FP-unit available to many in the 80's and 90's, and there were a number of kitbashing/custom detailing articles on them back in the day to get specific FP7/FP9 prototypes. IIRC in terms of plastic models, the Intermountain FP7 took the top dog spot when it came out (late 90's/2000's?). The Athearn Genesis/Highliners FP shell that came out years later required some kind of a shell or tooling splice for them to cast their FP shells until the tooling was revised. And now we also have good variations from Rapido and Walthers. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 23, 2024 1:02:30 GMT -8
Those early Roco drives have two primary issues, too. The insulated side wheel is a thick tire on a plastic center. They're prone to coming off, although a dab of CA fixes them relatively well. The bigger issue is the truck snaps in with two long plastic pins molded into the gear tower, so if you drop one or the plastic gets brittle the pins break and then there is nothing to hold the truck in place. I am not sure Roco ever fixed that.
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 23, 2024 4:56:52 GMT -8
I recall them being good runners back in the day.... Well, all the old yellow-box Atlas ran well too. But those models have all aged by 40-45 years since then and I'm sure a lot of that plastic has turned brittle!
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Post by cpr4200 on Oct 23, 2024 9:05:06 GMT -8
I recall them being good runners back in the day.... Well, all the old yellow-box Atlas ran well too. But those models have all aged by 40-45 years since then and I'm sure a lot of that plastic has turned brittle! Yes, they not only ran well but had *gasp!* scale width hoods (the concurrently available Geeps and SD's). Molded from some super tough plastic that was very difficult to work with. |
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