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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 20:19:43 GMT -8
I just received an e-mail from Overland Hobbies, aka the new mail order hobby shop from Overland Models, and see Athearn just announced C&NW, C&EI, B&O and Conrail GP9's. Due date is next year.
I waded through just the GP9 and GP7 models that Athearn has announced and are scheduled for late 2012 and early 2013. Good grief, is there any room in the production schedule for other models? Let alone adding some of the RTR line?
I will give Athearn an A for big plans. It will be truly interesting to see how close they can actually get to the initial anticipated arrival date and how much if any of the RTR line sees the light of day.
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Post by antoniofp45 on May 23, 2012 2:17:17 GMT -8
A bit frustrating though (at least for me) is that Athearn does not seem to be planning to produce some of their other successful past releases. I'm still hoping for a FRISCO SD45 with the L-shaped windshields. They sold out quicky a few years back. But I guess I shouldn't hold my breathe on that one and have to continue to check ebay in hopes of getting one.
Times and economics of really changed this hobby.
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Post by curtmc on May 23, 2012 3:51:15 GMT -8
I'm on the sidelines until they announce the GP8s, GP10s, and GP16s... unless they pop out a Chessie GP9 before.
Has to be a frustrating position for them only being able to do locos for so long... (And yes, there are cars in the Genesis line but they do not seem to be flying off any shelves)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 4:47:05 GMT -8
I'm on the sidelines until they announce the GP8s, GP10s, and GP16s... unless they pop out a Chessie GP9 before. Has to be a frustrating position for them only being able to do locos for so long... (And yes, there are cars in the Genesis line but they do not seem to be flying off any shelves) Everything in the GP line so far is stock bodies. GP7 phase II, GP9 phase II and phase III. My favorite lines Milwaukee, CB&Q and GN's GP9 fleets were all or predominately GP9 phase I's. The Walthers Proto Phase I GP9's go for absolute top dollar on e-Bay. The torpedo tube version gets brass prices. When will Athearn EXPAND its horizons (no pun intended) and get to the GP9 phase I? As far as freight cars, they did hit a home run with the SP caboose. I can't say how well they did with the TTX flats and other things. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 23, 2012 6:10:06 GMT -8
I can't say how well they did with the TTX flats..... Around here, quite well. These cars are pretty much an iconic car for the last quarter of the 20th century, sorta like the "classic" 40' steel box. Kinda hard to avoid. But not impossible. Ed |
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Post by calzephyr on May 23, 2012 7:10:17 GMT -8
A bit frustrating though (at least for me) is that Athearn does not seem to be planning to produce some of their other successful past releases. I'm still hoping for a FRISCO SD45 with the L-shaped windshields. They sold out quicky a few years back. But I guess I shouldn't hold my breathe on that one and have to continue to check ebay in hopes of getting one. Times and economics of really changed this hobby. Antonio Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I know at least one demo unit had the that windshield, but do you know of any other roads that might have ordered the L shaped window? Larry www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf921abp.jpg |
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 23, 2012 9:10:32 GMT -8
Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I think this one sorta counts:  (Lincoln, Nebraska 10-6-81) If I could find evidence of one of these BN-painted ones lasting 'til 1985 with an L window, I'd be REALLY interested in having Athearn produce one. Ed |
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Post by shoofly on May 23, 2012 9:37:03 GMT -8
I could have swore I responded to a topic like this in another thread, alaska rr, illinois central, d&h, EL, frisco, and i think the SCL had a few locos with the "L" engineer window. that BN loco is sweeeeeeeeeeeeet if any of those lasted to mid 80s I'd be in the market too!
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Post by shoofly on May 23, 2012 10:00:05 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 10:59:58 GMT -8
Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I think this one sorta counts: (Lincoln, Nebraska 10-6-81) If I could find evidence of one of these BN-painted ones lasting 'til 1985 with an L window, I'd be REALLY interested in having Athearn produce one. Ed You'll notice 6661 was retired in 1986. |
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Post by calzephyr on May 23, 2012 11:08:49 GMT -8
Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I think this one sorta counts: (Lincoln, Nebraska 10-6-81) If I could find evidence of one of these BN-painted ones lasting 'til 1985 with an L window, I'd be REALLY interested in having Athearn produce one. Ed True, this one counts but it was a Frisco unit when new, right? Thanks for the link! Larry |
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Post by riogrande on May 23, 2012 11:15:43 GMT -8
Has to be a frustrating position for them only being able to do locos for so long... (And yes, there are cars in the Genesis line but they do not seem to be flying off any shelves) I am not sure about all of them, but the PC&F box cars seem to be selling out steadily and there was only one vendor at the April Timonium show that had any Genesis PC&F box cars at all. The March T show had none. Due to the cost, I haven't bought scads of them but love them and am slowly building up a small fleet. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 23, 2012 11:37:30 GMT -8
You'll notice 6661 was retired in 1986. BN appears to have been into changing out the L windows to standard, so lasting 'til '86 doesn't mean the window did, too. This photo:  appears to show it with a regular window on 2-26-84. I'm DISAPPOINTED. Ed |
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Post by calzephyr on May 23, 2012 14:55:13 GMT -8
You'll notice 6661 was retired in 1986. BN appears to have been into changing out the L windows to standard, so lasting 'til '86 doesn't mean the window did, too. This photo: appears to show it with a regular window on 2-26-84. I'm DISAPPOINTED. Ed The SP units also got changed out later on in the shops. You could see the weld lines adding the dividers. I guess the windows cost too much for the bean counters to approve at some point, but the vision was much better for the engineer. Larry |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 16:54:51 GMT -8
It appears that BN changed the windows to a standard pattern when they re-painted.
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Post by calzephyr on May 24, 2012 5:28:03 GMT -8
I read on TO about Horizon has notified their dealers of an increased discount to the dealers. This might help with blow out sale prices from dealers to us. Larry www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,2773432 |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 6:44:27 GMT -8
I read on TO about Horizon has notified their dealers of an increased discount to the dealers. This might help with blow out sale prices from dealers to us. Larry www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,2773432 It is not an increased discount to the dealers it is a big reduction in the discount to dealers. This means the dealer has to pay MORE for the items, which more than likely will be passed on to US the consumer in the form of higher street prices. Horizon cut 8% off the dealers discount and Walthers tagged their dealers a nice and neat 10%. An example would be if the dealer was buying Athearn for 40% off list now they get 32% off list....so the days of buying Athearn at 30% off at a place like M.B. Klein is over. Now if you get 20% off list you'll say you did good. All the manufacturers are trying to hold the line on the MSRP by slashing the discount to the dealers. The dealers need to survive so they'll pass the increase on to the consumer. The bottom line is we don't see the MSRP go up, but the price we pay will be very close to the MSRP. |
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Post by riogrande on May 24, 2012 6:53:15 GMT -8
Same difference to us, higher prices. *sigh* and it continues. At this point I'm hoping there ain't much new stuff that will be offered that are "must have" for me. The problem with Athearn is, for example, the newer RTR SD45's show an MSRP of $160 vs the old $120, so if you take that new much higher MRSP together with a lower discount, and that RTR SD45 will suddenly cost as much as recent Genesis diesels "street price" - which certainly is going to hit the consumer doubly hard. I've been able to afford a number of Athearn RTR SD45's (eight) in the past 6 months because the street price was still fairly reasonable by todays standards, about $85. With the street price jumping to around $120+ for the same loco, major huge ouch.
There certainly is plenty of existing stock that I couldn't afford to buy all of in the past several years that I can spend my time getting caught up on. As far as future rolling stock goes, I'll probably continue to buy but only "must haves" and just a sample here or there. My days of buying muliples of many things is pretty much over for the forseeable future. But thankfully, I have a pretty good stable of rolling stock so mostly I'll be filling in from past production, and maybe a few new items here and there if they really fit.
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Post by calzephyr on May 24, 2012 7:22:30 GMT -8
I read on TO about Horizon has notified their dealers of an increased discount to the dealers. This might help with blow out sale prices from dealers to us. Larry www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,2773432 It is not an increased discount to the dealers it is a big reduction in the discount to dealers. This means the dealer has to pay MORE for the items, which more than likely will be passed on to US the consumer in the form of higher street prices. Horizon cut 8% off the dealers discount and Walthers tagged their dealers a nice and neat 10%. An example would be if the dealer was buying Athearn for 40% off list now they get 32% off list....so the days of buying Athearn at 30% off at a place like M.B. Klein is over. Now if you get 20% off list you'll say you did good. All the manufacturers are trying to hold the line on the MSRP by slashing the discount to the dealers. The dealers need to survive so they'll pass the increase on to the consumer. The bottom line is we don't see the MSRP go up, but the price we pay will be very close to the MSRP. Ouch!!! I did not read it that way but your take on this seems to be correct. This is not good news in any way. No more big discounts from TrainWorld. Many of the early Blue Box from Athearn in the 1970 era were 98 cents from Trainworld when the list was $1.98. At that time, the Eastern stores purchased their stock directly from Athearn and we the model train buyers were rewarded with 50% off of many Athearn items. I guess those days went away with the present Horizon and MTH marketing type scheme. I don't blame the companies for trying to make money but this move seems to indicate the large companies might want to offer their products direct which will continue to hurt the LHS. Thanks larry |
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Post by calzephyr on May 24, 2012 8:57:01 GMT -8
I received an email from Athearn about some deep discounts ( 50%) to us on the 57' spline car set. This is a blow out sale unlike the increasing prices for wholesale to the dealers I read about today on TO. It would be interesting to know if the dealers are getting a reduced discount to get rid of this special. Larry www.athearn.com/ |
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Post by Donnell Wells on May 24, 2012 9:40:57 GMT -8
I will agree that the CNW GPs sound promising. I am glad that they are non dynamic units...
Donnell
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Post by antoniofp45 on May 24, 2012 16:46:01 GMT -8
Hi Larry, The original 4 EMD SD45 demos had L-windshields and winded up on other roads. 4351 - went to Illinois Central. it became #7000 (and it was their only SD45) 4352, 4353, and 4354 went to the Delaware and Hudson, but then were traded to the Erie Lackawanna and painted in that scheme. The FRISCO units with L-windshields were absorbed by Burlington Northern. So in a nutshell, SD45s with L-windshields appeared in various paint schemes. A bit frustrating though (at least for me) is that Athearn does not seem to be planning to produce some of their other successful past releases. I'm still hoping for a FRISCO SD45 with the L-shaped windshields. They sold out quicky a few years back. But I guess I shouldn't hold my breathe on that one and have to continue to check ebay in hopes of getting one. Times and economics of really changed this hobby. Antonio Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I know at least one demo unit had the that windshield, but do you know of any other roads that might have ordered the L shaped window? Larry www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf921abp.jpg |
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Post by calzephyr on May 24, 2012 17:19:10 GMT -8
Hi Larry, The original 4 EMD SD45 demos had L-windshields and winded up on other roads. 4351 - went to Illinois Central. it became #7000 (and it was their only SD45) 4352, 4353, and 4354 went to the Delaware and Hudson, but then were traded to the Erie Lackawanna and painted in that scheme. The FRISCO units with L-windshields were absorbed by Burlington Northern. So in a nutshell, SD45s with L-windshields appeared in various paint schemes. Antonio Was the L shape window used only on the SP and Frisco units. I know at least one demo unit had the that windshield, but do you know of any other roads that might have ordered the L shaped window? Larry www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf921abp.jpgAntonio Thanks. I knew the SP had many units with the L shape window but did not realize other roads had any. The picture showing the view inside one of those units is really amazing how well the vision was for the engineer. Larry |
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Post by Christian on May 24, 2012 17:59:19 GMT -8
The "L" window was an EMD cab option not restricted to the 45s. Alaska RR still has GP40's with the windows.
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Post by umtrrauthor on May 25, 2012 4:19:04 GMT -8
In terms of what Horizon and Walthers have done to dealer discounts, I'm beginning to see more of a rationale for Exactrail's decision to eliminate the US dealer network entirely.
Not saying I agree with it, but I can see where they're coming from.
The net of it in all cases is or is going to be a price increase to the consumer.
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Post by calzephyr on May 25, 2012 5:59:08 GMT -8
The "L" window was an EMD cab option not restricted to the 45s. Alaska RR still has GP40's with the windows. Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing those when I was in Alaska in 1994. It was probably an option on any unit since the cabs were the same basic size. Thanks Larry |
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Post by peanutbuttertrains on May 26, 2012 12:40:37 GMT -8
Hey Guys,
no horizon is not passing on additional discounts on the items they are blowing out to there dealers. In a lot of cases it is cheaper for the dealer to buy from the consumer blow out list than it is for us to order it through our dealer account.
Rob
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Post by Mark R. on May 26, 2012 12:53:13 GMT -8
The original 4 EMD SD45 demos had L-windshields and winded up on other roads. 4351 - went to Illinois Central. it became #7000 (and it was their only SD45) 4352, 4353, and 4354 went to the Delaware and Hudson, but then were traded to the Erie Lackawanna and painted in that scheme. Close .... but not quite .... Of the three SD45 demonstrators that went to the D&H, only 4352 and 4353 had the "L" shaped window. Number 4354 had the standard window arrangement. Mark. |
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Post by Brakie on Jun 1, 2012 15:41:05 GMT -8
I really need those RTR Rail Gons..I hope we see them before 2013 but who knows?
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Post by painkiller on Jun 3, 2012 1:22:00 GMT -8
I ordered a zebra striped Genesis GP7 which ought to find its way to Sweden by now, it is one without DCC as I wait a bit longer to jump in to that wagon. If the unit is OK, far better than the first release, I plan to get the other three....  |
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