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Post by riogrande on Jun 18, 2012 21:11:14 GMT -8
I've managed to find a few P2K yellow Cargill 3-bay hoppers and of course Exact Rail makes the mint green Cargill 3-bay which I've gotten, but I've seen in a number of photo's a yellow low hip Cargill 3 bay with the circle logo. Has anyone made this yet?
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Post by Brakie on Jun 19, 2012 7:45:40 GMT -8
Jim,Would you kindly translate(aka dummy down) this to every day speak: low hip Cargill 3 bay?  |
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Post by drolsen on Jun 19, 2012 8:58:42 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Jun 19, 2012 10:53:48 GMT -8
Cool!
Thanks Dave.. ;D
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Post by riogrande on Jun 19, 2012 11:19:20 GMT -8
Dave answered, yes. Low hip apparently is RR slang talk for a low side sill 3-bay covered hopper. If you see the rib side covered hoppers next to each other, the contrast is very visible.
Dave, the TLDX 11192 you showed visually looks like the yellow 1970's era Cargill covered hoppers I am thinking of. It may be that no one has offered that type yet.
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Post by drolsen on Jun 19, 2012 11:23:38 GMT -8
No problem, Larry. I also meant to mention that the "low hip" 4427 cuft car is represented by the ExactRail and Walthers models, and the "high hip" 4427 cuft car is represented by the Like-Like Proto (now Walthers) model.
Dave
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Post by riogrande on Jun 19, 2012 11:49:37 GMT -8
So far I've been able to identify the following 70's Cargil models:
ExactRail CF4427 3-bay - Cargil "shield" herald - pale mint green.
Proto 2000 CF4427 3-bay -Cargil round teardrop herald - yellow.
Athearn CF4740 3-bay - Cargil yellow.
I expect if ExactRail would offer the yellow car with round heard similar to P2K model, that would fill a missing class that I see in trains.
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Post by bcrn on Jun 19, 2012 18:08:07 GMT -8
when i worked with dsrc, we called these cars 4-3-4 pullman standards. never heard the low hip name before. ken
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Post by riogrande on Jun 19, 2012 19:23:26 GMT -8
when i worked with dsrc, we called these cars 4-3-4 pullman standards. never heard the low hip name before. ken 4-3-4 for the rib pattern? I imagine the term low hip is a rail fain term, just like many RR's never heard of the terms we apply to many diesels too. |
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Post by Brakie on Jun 20, 2012 0:47:43 GMT -8
when i worked with dsrc, we called these cars 4-3-4 pullman standards. never heard the low hip name before. ken 4-3-4 for the rib pattern? I imagine the term low hip is a rail fain term, just like many RR's never heard of the terms we apply to many diesels too. I also believe its either railfan or modeler speak-the train crew would more then likely use the car's ititials and number or just road number. |
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Post by riogrande on Jun 20, 2012 6:38:22 GMT -8
What is the DSRC for those of use who never heard that acronym?
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Post by drolsen on Jun 20, 2012 8:36:42 GMT -8
What is the DSRC for those of use who never heard that acronym? Google says it stands for "Dakota Southern Railway Company." Dave |
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Post by riogrande on Jun 20, 2012 10:01:18 GMT -8
I was guessing that was the case - so this is a case of a railroader, not a modeler referring to the covered hopper as 4-3-4 Pullman Standards. No biggie, not everyone follows the same conventions.
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Post by Brakie on Jun 20, 2012 10:40:43 GMT -8
I was guessing that was the case - so this is a case of a railroader, not a modeler referring to the covered hopper as 4-3-4 Pullman Standards. No biggie, not everyone follows the same conventions. Sounds like car shop or customer service(aka freight agent) speak. |
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Post by riogrande on Jun 20, 2012 14:31:58 GMT -8
Ah! I understand.
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Post by bcrn on Jun 20, 2012 18:50:39 GMT -8
nan,, its modeler/railfan/former railroader speak. dsrc is as droslsen pointed out, the dakota southern rwy, which is former milw road out of mitchell s.d. i always thought when we would get those older bill board style cars in train, it broke up the monotony of the bn equipment, and made it more interesting to look at. ken
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Post by pltbrnch on Jun 21, 2012 12:55:05 GMT -8
Ironically, I have a photo of TLDX 5069 ON the DSRC in 1991 in as-new paint, built 12-64---matches the Exactrail car "exactly" (high brake-wheel, side ladders). I've had thoughts of doing that car for a while, but figured as soon as the paint and decals were dry, Exactrail would announce the very same scheme (that's how it usually works).
Anyone know how many of these yellow "cargill's" were built pre-April 66 with the high brakewheels vs. post 4-66 with low brakewheels? Many of the photos I've seen showed the low wheels.....
Rick....also formerly from DSRC
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Post by riogrande on Jun 21, 2012 13:21:04 GMT -8
Rick, the photo you have, can you share it? Is it the yellow Cargill with the large round logo?
I have the green one, and certainly I've seen a fair number of photo's from the 70's with it in trains, but the yellow seemed much more common. The most of the green I'd probably have is just a couple, but many more of the yellow. I have 3 of the P2k right now, 2 of the large circle logo and 1 with the two small logo's on each end of the car side with large Cargill lettering IIRC.
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Post by pltbrnch on Jun 22, 2012 6:15:51 GMT -8
Here ya go....date is 8/13/91, spotted for grain loading at White Lake, SD. I was living in the depot then, just walked out the door one day and got this pic. Rick Attachments:
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Post by bcrn on Jun 22, 2012 6:20:04 GMT -8
nice photo
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Post by pltbrnch on Jun 22, 2012 6:24:08 GMT -8
BCRN "Ken", it might have been you that spotted that very car to the elevator!!
Rick
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Post by riogrande on Jun 22, 2012 8:15:04 GMT -8
Nice photo. It looks like that may be one of the yellow cars similar to what Proto 2000 made but pretty faded. I've got one the P2k HO models in that paint job. Now if ER would only offer the yellow herald.
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