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Post by WP 257 on Sept 29, 2014 15:47:30 GMT -8
Gary--
The cab of the IC unit is completely orange, just as it's supposed to be.
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Post by icrr3067 on Sept 29, 2014 15:54:11 GMT -8
The one thing I noticed so far without having a model in my hand is that the IC only had 2 light above the windows and the model has 3.
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Post by alcors32 on Sept 29, 2014 16:33:06 GMT -8
Gary-- The cab of the IC unit is completely orange, just as it's supposed to be. Thank you Sir. |
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Post by kcjones on Sept 29, 2014 17:20:56 GMT -8
Let the nit picking begin!!!
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Post by kcjones on Sept 29, 2014 17:59:44 GMT -8
I noticed the class lights right away on the IC unit. But holy smoke!! That thing sits higher than my neighbor's jacked up 4x4. Something is defentely out of whack!
JL
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 29, 2014 18:04:55 GMT -8
They sit too high on the trucks. I do hope that someone will measure the deck height of these. And, for that matter, the coupler height. Any takers? Ed |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 29, 2014 18:14:16 GMT -8
These sit way to high on the trucks.
Same problem the other six axle Alco had. The one they inherited from Stewart.
There is a large gap visible.
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Post by bigblow69 on Sept 29, 2014 18:17:40 GMT -8
I noticed the class lights right away on the IC unit. But holy smoke!! That thing sits higher than my neighbor's jacked up 4x4. Something is defentely out of whack! JL I'd say about 8 scale inches too high. |
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Post by JohnJ on Sept 29, 2014 18:40:07 GMT -8
I thought someone here measured the hi-ad C630 height and found it right on the mark. Seems they'd have kept a similar profile with the C636. Locos riding too high are a pet peeve of mine, so I hope this holds up under a real measurement.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Sept 29, 2014 18:45:19 GMT -8
I'll wait for measurements from railhead to walkway. The prototypes did sit high:  |
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Post by kcjones on Sept 29, 2014 19:07:54 GMT -8
You will also notice that the fuel tank sits way too high off the rail. Looking at the back cover of the Wither's 6 axle book you can see the difference between the fuel tanks on a 630 and a 636, both on hi ad trucks. The 636 tank is much fatter and sits only inches off the rail. I agree with John. Looks to be about 8 to 12 inches too high. Anybody have a Overland or Oriental 636 handy to compare? My Oriental 636 is apart in the paint shop.
JL
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Post by roadkill on Sept 29, 2014 19:15:55 GMT -8
The problem with them isn't that they sit too high, it's that the frame rails don't extent far enough. Alco Centuries are built on a frame that consists of two large I-beams probably every bit af 12-14 inches in depth (I have yet to measure one) If a model Century's frame is modeled too shallow it makes the loco look like it sits too high on its trucks, like the C430 does. Take a look at the Atlas C420, it does not have that issue, as it seems that the frame is modeled to the proper depth (or at least close) as a prototype Century. I have a Bowser C430 which I plan on disassembling and having the frame milled so I can portray the frame rails properly, which should eliminate that "high waters" look that the C430 and the C636 currently suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 20:58:43 GMT -8
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Post by bigblow69 on Sept 30, 2014 5:54:28 GMT -8
Here is a model that I own, an OMI from the late 80's or early 90's. It was a basket case I purchased off ebay. I restored it to this state. Other picture is a slide I own. You can see how close the trucks are to the frame. I'll stick with the OMI one, I'n the end it will cost me about the price of a Bowser sound equipped one. Attachments:
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 30, 2014 9:16:16 GMT -8
Persons,
As I said before, MEASURE.
I've got some OMI C636's. And the Oriental C636's. I can measure the deck height and perhaps make other measurements.
But I do not have a Bowser model.
IF, someone cares to measure a Bowser model, I will make the same measurements on my models. And, please describe the method(s) used to obtain the dimensions.
I will be using a fly-cut 1/2 inch thick surface plate I bought from the Train Shop many decades ago. I used my Dremel tool to cut flangeways in it so I could measure from rail height.
Ed
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Post by GP40P-2 on Oct 1, 2014 8:02:01 GMT -8
So 22 hours later...... Either no one has a Bowser C636 yet, or no one has a ruler?  ?? |
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Post by carrman on Oct 1, 2014 11:49:38 GMT -8
You only have them so far if you live near Bowser, they are not in shops yet.
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Post by icrr3067 on Oct 1, 2014 13:00:38 GMT -8
Just called my LHS and they are not in yet.
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Post by alcoc430 on Oct 2, 2014 9:26:39 GMT -8
As an email response from Lee English, the next run is being made now and be here in about two months.
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Post by JohnJ on Oct 2, 2014 13:28:21 GMT -8
This site lists C636 dimensions, with a height to top of cab roof at 15'1": www.thedieselshop.us/DataC636.HTMLAnother forum I found lists the C636 at 15'3", so a difference of a couple of inches. I've noticed in some prototype photos some units seem to ride a bit higher than others, perhaps due to not having a full fuel load or perhaps the springs settling down after a number of in-service years? That same link above lists the C630 height to top of cab roof at 14'10" - it's not clear whether they mean tri-mount or hi-ad, but I assume the former. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 2, 2014 14:16:08 GMT -8
Expendables make up about 10% of a diesel's weight. Fer what it's worth. I can see a difference of an inch or two caused by full going to empty. Springs have no business "settling" if they were designed properly. They don't get "old". They have an elastic limit. Stay within that, and they'll stay the same length. Go beyond, and they stretch. That's kinda difficult for those big compressive coil springs on a diesel.
Anyway, I checked a plan of a C-636 in the 1972 BN Annual. The height to the top of the cab is shown as 15'-1 1/4". My SP&S diagram book shows 16' -0 13/16" to the top of the roof beacon.
Still waiting for the Bowser deck height, Ed
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Post by thebessemerkid on Oct 2, 2014 15:40:47 GMT -8
To be fair, Penn Central track could subtract a foot or so from overall height.
I always expected to see a six-axle u-boat submerging to periscope depth in the deferred maintenance ballast...
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Post by keystonefarm on Oct 2, 2014 15:49:25 GMT -8
Units heights for clearance issues were based on empty tanks which would be the highest height reading possible . 5000 gallons of diesel fuel is 36,000 lbs. The Reading C-630's were delivered in two groups . The first with Tri mounts the second with Hi -Ad's the walkway height difference between the two orders was 4''.The difference was all in the truck/bolster assembly difference. The 636 had the same frame/truck assembly as the Hi Ad 630. Fuel tanks on a 636 would ride about 4'' higher than the comparable 630 tank. The Bowser Hi Ad Reading C-630's were height correct so my guess would be the 636 is the same as it is the same drive . Glad to see it finally get here . Hopefully my PO's should be here next week. ---- Ken
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Post by kcjones on Oct 2, 2014 19:02:11 GMT -8
Ok guys... Not to throw fuel on the fire, but...looking at the pics on Bowsers website, I "see" the following
A. Lower side sill on engineers side barely clears rear upper spring mount on hi ad truck . Major gap here on model.
B. Hand brake chain pipe is bent upwards at the bottom so it does not hit the top of the truck. Appears straight on model with gap between it and the truck .
C. Fuel filler pipe is clearly shown protruding from gap in lower sill. Appears to be below sill level on model.
I have been waiting 30 years for an IC unit. Will grab one no matter what!!!
JL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:25:28 GMT -8
Ok guys... Not to throw fuel on the fire, but...looking at the pics on Bowsers website, I "see" the following A. Lower side sill on engineers side barely clears rear upper spring mount on hi ad truck . Major gap here on model. <snip> JL That's also the place where I most notice the problem. Looks like approx. 4" - 6" too high. |
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Post by kcjones on Oct 2, 2014 19:53:34 GMT -8
OMG!!! A Lotus Super 7. WOW!!! "I am not a number. I am a free man!!"
JL
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Post by thebessemerkid on Oct 4, 2014 11:12:55 GMT -8
OMG!!! A Lotus Super 7. WOW!!! "I am not a number. I am a free man!!" JL Who is number one?  636's are in at MBK and going out just as fast |
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 4, 2014 12:22:38 GMT -8
Anyone pop one open? I'm assuming their usual motor is inside...
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Post by JohnJ on Oct 4, 2014 14:18:38 GMT -8
Picked mine up from Tom's Trains a little while ago. I don't really have the means to do an accurate measurement, but I thought I remembered someone measuring a hi-ad C630 when similar complaints came out, and it was right on the money. At any rate, I think the C636 looks better in person than in pictures; nice unit. Bowser also seems to have fixed the Penn Central font to some degree - I'm not sure it's perfect, but it sure looks better than it did. And the squared-off worms look better in person than pics, too. Mine has a slightly bent handrail in the rear (see pic below) but otherwise is in good shape. Here's my Reading hi-ad C630 coupled to my new PC C636. If anything, the C636 deck looks slightly lower:  |
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Post by JohnJ on Oct 4, 2014 14:24:08 GMT -8
A few more shots:   |
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