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Post by mkulak on Feb 11, 2015 15:51:21 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Feb 11, 2015 16:26:21 GMT -8
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 16:38:14 GMT -8
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Post by tdspeedracer on Feb 11, 2015 16:57:44 GMT -8
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 11, 2015 17:01:11 GMT -8
Maybe its me but that thing is one high-rider..
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Post by riogrande on Feb 11, 2015 17:17:59 GMT -8
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Post by tdspeedracer on Feb 11, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -8
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Post by bdhicks on Feb 11, 2015 17:37:09 GMT -8
I'm not sure if that's new or a rerelease, but I would hope that Walthers isn't making new tooling with molded on grabs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 17:46:25 GMT -8
Maybe its me but that thing is one high-rider.. I was thinking that too. Somehow, the trucks look too big. Thumbs down. |
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Post by Brakie on Feb 11, 2015 18:28:53 GMT -8
Jim,IMHO the Trainman is the better choice of the four..I suspect the Walthers,Athearn and the Bachmann boxcars will be a foot to wide. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:42:24 GMT -8
Junk...
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Post by atsfan on Feb 11, 2015 18:44:27 GMT -8
Train set fodder.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 11, 2015 18:45:32 GMT -8
$25 for that ?
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 11, 2015 19:27:06 GMT -8
Well, at least it's cheaper than the Bachmann (Hah!).
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Post by wp8thsub on Feb 11, 2015 19:29:31 GMT -8
Although my first impression was this model is rather pointless, on second thought maybe not. The Athearn and Bachmann cars aren't worth considering, and the Atlas Trainman car is a later plate C design. The early plate B ACF prototypes therefore have no other representation I'm aware of in HO, but I could be forgetting something.  Here's a class XAF10, showing the same 70-ton ASF trucks Walthers is using. I think the cubic capacity is 5090 cu ft. See www.rr-fallenflags.org/rbox/rbox.html .  Above is one of the Plate C cars like the Atlas model, with an additional 200 cu ft (5290). The differences are subtle but they do exist. This image also from the fallenflags site. Unfortunately, Walthers opted for cast-on grabs, which seems like an odd choice given the separate underbody details. This was a common prototype, and we could use a nice model. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 19:29:38 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Feb 11, 2015 20:05:43 GMT -8
LOL I haven't seen that car in years..The last one I saw was in '98 or 99 and it had inmates.. One of the club members would attach that car behind a passenger train on visitor's night..The visitors got a good chuckle out of it. |
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Post by Brakie on Feb 11, 2015 20:10:53 GMT -8
And for a few bucks more you can get a quality boxcar from Atlas,IM,ER etc. Makes one wonder..  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 21:31:52 GMT -8
I suspect that the people who will buy the Walthers car are not going to be making their decisions on whether it is a plate B or a plate C car.
Perhaps someone out there will pay list for this thing. Perhaps they will get a substantial discount. I don't care. Except that I hope they are happy with their purchase.
I will save my $25 and combine it with $20 and get something exquisite.
Again.
Ed
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 12, 2015 1:56:30 GMT -8
FEMA CAR! TIN FOIL HATS ON! |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 12, 2015 2:35:26 GMT -8
Variety is good, and if the Walthers car is a different plate size, then it fills a niche, especially if it doesn't have the faults of past versions.
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Post by bis54 on Feb 12, 2015 8:22:10 GMT -8
I run on a club layout. Cars with details are only going to have those details knocked off.
I don't waste my money on cars like that.
I find it hard to believe that so many people really use cars with lots of details on them.
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Post by wp8thsub on Feb 12, 2015 8:56:02 GMT -8
I find it hard to believe that so many people really use cars with lots of details on them. Every car I have goes into regular op session service. Damage is rare, and nothing that's happened so far hasn't been easily repaired. Maybe my operators are more careful because they know they're guests. |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 12, 2015 9:17:58 GMT -8
I run on a club layout. Cars with details are only going to have those details knocked off. I don't waste my money on cars like that. I find it hard to believe that so many people really use cars with lots of details on them. On a club layout fair enough - the conditions there are far rougher on models and far less controlled. Due to any number of factors, fragile details are likely to be victim to that operating environment. For those who run on a home layout, it can be very different, where the owner-operator can have a great deal more control over how their models are used or handled. It's not hard for me to believe that those people would greatly enjoy having and running detailed models on a home layout. As Rob rightly pointed out, those issues can be minimal with care - and it's certainly not a waste of money. |
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Post by bar on Feb 12, 2015 9:38:07 GMT -8
Variety is, indeed, good. Wouldn't the street price of this car be less than $20? Sounds good to me, there are a lot of frugal modelers out there, whether they admit it or not. We're not filling out trains with $99 autoracks, that is for damn sure. (And we still don't have reasonably priced auto loads for those open top cars).
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Post by Amboy Secondary on Feb 12, 2015 9:53:28 GMT -8
A closer look at the Walthers listing, indicates this release is from their "Mainline" brand, aimed at less sophisticated modelers. Generally, these offerings are reissues of the Walthers kit line and older Life Like train set products with upgraded features. |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 12, 2015 10:51:00 GMT -8
?? does the car have the CORRECT Diaginal Panel Roof ?? Athearn car doesn't. not sure about Bachman ?? Front Range had the Correct Roof,but didn't produce a full run of these cars. would guess the Walthers car can be lowered easily. Spikre  |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 12, 2015 11:08:26 GMT -8
A closer look at the Walthers listing, indicates this release is from their "Mainline" brand, aimed at less sophisticated modelers. Generally, these offerings are reissues of the Walthers kit line and older Life Like train set products with upgraded features. I didn't take the time to check into it, but by looking at the model, it visually fits in with the "economy" line theme - which is why I immediately thought of Atlas's Trainman car. That said, many economy line models are very decent and look pretty good if weathered well, and are even good for upgrading too if they are sound models. |
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Post by wp8thsub on Feb 12, 2015 11:21:37 GMT -8
does the car have the CORRECT Diaginal Panel Roof ?? Athearn car doesn't. not sure about Bachman ?? The roof isn't especially visible in most of the shots, but does show up in the Pickens photo:  With that, and the artwork showing diagonal panel roofs, I think Walthers is using the correct roof.  The execrable Bachmann car replicates the X-panel roof error from Athearn, plus introduces some inaccuracies of its own. Bachmann deleted the roping lugs from the sill, and is numbering theirs in the same series as the Atlas plate C car (the prototypes for which lacked the roping lugs). It seems to me Bachmann's "research" consisted of looking at Athearn and Atlas cars, not knowing which was which, cobbling up a mess that doesn't represent anything, then compounding it with inacurate lettering (blue where it should be black plus other issues). In other words, par for the course for them. I don't feel like directing the same vitriol toward the Walthers car just yet. It would have been nice to finally have a dimensionally accurate model of this prototype with separate grabs and ladders, but at least it looks like a reasonable starting point for a detailing project compared to Bachmann or Athearn. Like the others however, Walthers is slapping on some foobie paint schemes www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/pick55202.jpg ...  |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 12, 2015 11:30:57 GMT -8
 Rob, guess one out of 2 isn't that bad !! Pick 55202 is actually a Berwick car ? Spikre
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