Grey coloured passenger cars U.P....S.P....and N.Y.C.

[jamesbrodie67281]

Gents,
Are some of the above mentioned railroad companies passenger cars painted in similar colours this way for through passenger car workings on each others trains ?
I like a mix of passenger cars but still want to run my layout in a plausible manner.
One other question if I may, what year did the bi level 'gallery' cars get introduced ?
Jim Brodie.

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Feb 23, 2015 19:38:42 GMT -8 jamesbrodie67281 said:

Gents,
Are some of the above mentioned railroad companies passenger cars painted in similar colours this way for through passenger car workings on each others trains ?
I like a mix of passenger cars but still want to run my layout in a plausible manner.
One other question if I may, what year did the bi level 'gallery' cars get introduced ?
Jim Brodie.

I assume you are referring to "two-tone gray" aka TTG schemes? There were two major versions, dubed "eastern" and "western". The eastern version had light gray along the window band with dark gray above and below. NYC was a major user and Pullmans assigned NYC trains wore this scheme. Probably other eastern roads too. The western version had the colors reversed. UP and SP (ann Pullman) were the major roads using this scheme. It wasn't only for through cars, SP's Lark and SF Bay area commute cars used this scheme. If you want detailed info, consider joining the very active Yahoo Passenger Car List groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PassengerCarList/info

CNW's and SP's first gallery cars were built in 1955. I'm not sure about other roads operating these type cars.
www.kls2.com/~karl/rr/cnw/commuter-bilevels.html
espee.railfan.net/commute_cars.html

[jamesbrodie67281]

Dear Sir, Thank you for your most helpful information. I was referring to the two tone grey scheme.
Incidentally I happen to have SPs in daylight and also a commuter car in daylight as well.
Regards Jim Brodie

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Feb 24, 2015 2:31:23 GMT -8 jamesbrodie67281 said:

Dear Sir, Thank you for your most helpful information. I was referring to the two tone grey scheme.
Incidentally I happen to have SPs in daylight and also a commuter car in daylight as well.
Regards Jim Brodie

Interesting that SP always referred to their bay area cars and the service as "commute" vs. "commuter". The cars were even lettered that way:
wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/depot/commcars/cars.html
wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/depot/commcars/cars2.html

They had no commute cars in Daylight paint, just early cars in olive green then TTG and solid Lark dark gray.

[jamesbrodie67281]

Sorry I may have mislead you the Commute car is one of the Cotton belt St Louis South Western S P cars and I presumed that it was in daylight colours. The model is an 0 gauge Weaver model..JB.

[Spikre]

James,
[think that C&NW got the 1st "Gallery" cars by late 49.]
still looking for the CN&W article/info.
Burlington followed closely by 50.
Burlington ordered 30 cars from Budd for delivery in late
1950/early 51.
more info to follow ??
sometimes the cars were mixed with low cars,and sometimes
they were pulled by old 4-6-2 Pacifics.

Pullmans:
Erie got 4 Dark Green 6-6-4 Cars during 1942, they
were part of a larger Pullman order that included U.P.
and possibly some NYC cars,they were painted in the Gray schemes.
MP may have gotten some Blue and Gray cars out of the large
War Time order.
the Erie cars were in the "American" series,American Way,American
Unity,American Life,American Liberty.
most kept those names until retired by EL after 1967.
there were 119 cars in the "American" order placed by Pullman in 1941,
most were for Western Roads,many for U.P.
Spikre

[jamesbrodie67281]

Omaha Road and Spikre, many thanks for the passenger car info. I've looked up in F.Fs. at some of the photos and the Pacific loco photos as well.
I tried to join the passenger car group but was swamped with e mails so had to gracefully resign--only because I cannot manage the volume of traffic...Sorry about that. Again Thank you both for your help.
James Brodie.

[stevewagner]

Jim, a few additional points. The two-tone gray livery most railfans associate with the New York Central, with the lighter gray window band and darker gray above and below, was adopted by the NYC system after the Second World War. The NYC's original streamlined version of its Twentieth Century Limited circa 1938 had darker gray in the middle and lighter gray above and below, and I think more thin white stripes than the later version. When the Twentieth Century Limited was re-equipped in 1948 the newer scheme was used.

My own favorite railroad, the Delaware & Hudson, adopted the NYC's post-WWII two-tone gray or something very close to it in the 1950's. The two roads cooperated in operating trains between New York City's Grand Central Terminal and the Canadian Pacific's Windsor Station in Montreal, in competition with the Canadian National / Central Vermont / Boston & Maine / New Haven routing for through trains, some of which continued to or came from Washington, DC via the Pennsylvania Railroad. I was very happy to buy three Atlas HO models of heavyweight or "standard" D&H coaches in the two-tone gray livery.

After World War II streamlined Union Pacific passenger cars were yellow with gray and red trim. When the UP ended its use of the Chicago & North Western to get its trains between Chicago and the eastern end of the UP in Council Bluffs, Iowa and/or Omaha, Nebraska c. 1955 and partnered with the Milwaukee Road instead, that road started painting its own passenger equipment (locos as well as cars) in the UP's colors.

Some of the prettiest streamliners were the Illinois Central's chocolate and orange ones. The Central of Georgia provided a way for IC trains to get to Florida and painted some of its cars in IC's colors.

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Mar 6, 2015 19:32:08 GMT -8 stevewagner said:

...After World War II streamlined Union Pacific passenger cars were yellow with gray and red trim. When the UP ended its use of the Chicago & North Western to get its trains between Chicago and the eastern end of the UP in Council Bluffs, Iowa and/or Omaha, Nebraska c. 1955 and partnered with the Milwaukee Road instead, that road started painting its own passenger equipment (locos as well as cars) in the UP's colors.

UP passenger cars didn't get two-tone grayTG until after WWII, after yellow and gray.

From UP expert Don Strack's Utah Rails site:
"Union Pacific adopted its two-tone gray (TTG) paint scheme in 1946 for its secondary passenger trains. The two-tone gray scheme was applied to heavyweight cars; 25 of the 50 Pacific-series sleepers delivered in 1950 were delivered wearing two-tone gray, and were the only lightweight cars to receive TTG..."

(more info on the site) utahrails.net/pass/pass-paint.php

SP had TTG cars into the early 1960s.

[jamesbrodie67281]

Thanks Steve and Omaharoad for the latest two tone grey info', I looked in F Fs and saw a mix of the T T G coaches Light grey dark and dark grey light in the same trains. Nice to be prototypical. I noticed that some Pullmans were the same colours as some of the railways colours that they were working on and some Pullmans were green. Were any American Pullmans painted the same colour as the English and Scotch Pullmans were painted...Umber and cream or umber and white
As the Pullmans as shewn in my Avatar ?
James (well it is Sunday) Brodie.