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Post by riogrande on Nov 23, 2015 9:19:19 GMT -8
I'll probably wait until next spring or so since there is still about 7 1/2 months left before then end of the free upgrade. I have read that if you have Windows 7, 10 looks just like it although it might be if you upgrade from 8, it may take on that look unless you change to the legacy look?
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Post by valenciajim on Nov 23, 2015 13:48:11 GMT -8
I found that a number of websites were incompatible with the new browser, Edge.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 23, 2015 17:02:52 GMT -8
Only reason I can think of is eventual end of support will come sooner for 7 than 10. I have Windows 7 Pro, and support has been promised through at least 2020. By then, who knows what the operating system will be? I have computers running XP just fine still. The "end of support" bogeyman is just MS hype to get you to spend $$$$$ on their new (worse) software versions. |
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Post by spookyac47 on Dec 11, 2015 6:16:02 GMT -8
Not sure how many forum members have upgraded to Windows 10, but thought I'd pass along a couple comments for those that might be thinking about it. I upgraded the laptop I use for train related activities from Windows 7 to Windows 10. On that laptop I have your typical software like MS Office, etc., but also the hardware Loco-BufferII and the ESU LokProgrammer, and the corresponding software JMRI and LokProgrammer. I was curious to see if the "drivers" for those hardware devices would be an issue in the upgrade. The answer is no issues at all. Both JMRI DecoderPro and LokProgrammer run exactly the same as under Windows 7. Didn't have to do anything relative to either one in the upgrade process. Bob Purchased a new Toshiba Laptop that came with Windows 10 pre-installed. My desktop is still Windows XP and I am resisting upgrading but am being forced to upgrade to at least Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on wife's desktop and an older laptop. Reviews I have read state that earlier Microsoft Office products do not play well with Windows 10 and users must upgrade / install Microsoft Office 2016 or subscribe to Microsoft Office 365. I have a fresh copy of Microsoft Office 2010 that I may try. As far as model railroading, I have yet to install Decoder Pro or the QSI software on the new laptop so can't comment on any performance or performance issues. |
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Post by atsfan on Dec 11, 2015 6:24:15 GMT -8
Not sure how many forum members have upgraded to Windows 10, but thought I'd pass along a couple comments for those that might be thinking about it. I upgraded the laptop I use for train related activities from Windows 7 to Windows 10. On that laptop I have your typical software like MS Office, etc., but also the hardware Loco-BufferII and the ESU LokProgrammer, and the corresponding software JMRI and LokProgrammer. I was curious to see if the "drivers" for those hardware devices would be an issue in the upgrade. The answer is no issues at all. Both JMRI DecoderPro and LokProgrammer run exactly the same as under Windows 7. Didn't have to do anything relative to either one in the upgrade process. Bob Purchased a new Toshiba Laptop that came with Windows 10 pre-installed. My desktop is still Windows XP and I am resisting upgrading but am being forced to upgrade to at least Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on wife's desktop and an older laptop. Reviews I have read state that earlier Microsoft Office products do not play well with Windows 10 and users must upgrade / install Microsoft Office 2016 or subscribe to Microsoft Office 365. I have a fresh copy of Microsoft Office 2010 that I may try. As far as model railroading, I have yet to install Decoder Pro or the QSI software on the new laptop so can't comment on any performance or performance issues. Sounds like MS sales tactics 101. |
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Post by spookyac47 on Dec 11, 2015 6:27:03 GMT -8
I have Windows 7 Pro, and support has been promised through at least 2020. By then, who knows what the operating system will be? I have computers running XP just fine still. The "end of support" bogeyman is just MS hype to get you to spend $$$$$ on their new (worse) software versions. Actually, there are complications that occur if one is still running Windows XP. My credit union software will no longer work with Windows XP and Quicken when one wants to transfer account information from the credit union to Quicken. Customers were advised to upgrade to Windows 7 Garmin GPS software packages for updating GPS products does not work with Windows XP |
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Post by riogrande on Dec 11, 2015 6:43:30 GMT -8
I have computers running XP just fine still. The "end of support" bogeyman is just MS hype to get you to spend $$$$$ on their new (worse) software versions. YMMV and it's your choice of course. Best IT practices are to always-always patch and patch again; definitely in an office environment. Unless you have paid support, you probably aren't getting anymore patches on XP since April 2014. The article below suggest running a different up-to-date browser if you choose to continue with XP and stop using any versions of IE that XP supports. www.networkworld.com/article/2175896/windows/faq--what-you-need-to-know-about-the-end-of-windows-xp-support.htmlI chose in 2013 to replace a couple old desktop workstations for my wife and I. Both were XP machines, older and painfully slow to work on. With the retirement of XP support looming, to me it made sense to kill two birds with one stone so I bought some older refurb Dell Optiplex 755 with 4 GB system memory, Windows 7 64 bit Pro and dual monitor ability. Have used tons of those at my office and I knew they were decent computers at a modest price for home use. Each computer was about $180 to obtain as configured and they were a YUGE improvement in performance and we enjoy the dual monitor displays (standard for many at my office). I'll probably stick with Windows 7 for now and possibly make the upgrade to 10 next year while the offer still stands. In the mean time I can think about it first. |
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Post by mlehman on Dec 11, 2015 8:34:34 GMT -8
Jim,
Just want to note that my W7 laptop has been bugging me to upgrade to W10 the last week. First time I've seen this, but still not ready to take that leap.
And I'd sure like to know for certain if I have to pay for W10 after the first year? If yes, then it might just be time to join the wife in MacLand.
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Post by atsfan on Dec 11, 2015 8:49:25 GMT -8
I have computers running XP just fine still. The "end of support" bogeyman is just MS hype to get you to spend $$$$$ on their new (worse) software versions. YMMV and it's your choice of course. Best IT practices are to always-always patch and patch again; definitely in an office environment. Unless you have paid support, you probably aren't getting anymore patches on XP since April 2014. The article below suggest running a different up-to-date browser if you choose to continue with XP and stop using any versions of IE that XP supports. www.networkworld.com/article/2175896/windows/faq--what-you-need-to-know-about-the-end-of-windows-xp-support.htmlI chose in 2013 to replace a couple old desktop workstations for my wife and I. Both were XP machines, older and painfully slow to work on. With the retirement of XP support looming, to me it made sense to kill two birds with one stone so I bought some older refurb Dell Optiplex 755 with 4 GB system memory, Windows 7 64 bit Pro and dual monitor ability. Have used tons of those at my office and I knew they were decent computers at a modest price for home use. Each computer was about $180 to obtain as configured and they were a YUGE improvement in performance and we enjoy the dual monitor displays (standard for many at my office). I'll probably stick with Windows 7 for now and possibly make the upgrade to 10 next year while the offer still stands. In the mean time I can think about it first. Network World is a MS shill. If you are worried, get off of Windows entirely. Windows 10 does nothing new that you need, other than open your life more to Microsoft to monetize and monitor. It is also no more secure than any of the other MS products. More likely however your data will be breached by something other than your computer. Like Target, the US Government, Sony, Home Depot, your airline, Comcast, the list is endless...... |
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Post by riogrande on Dec 11, 2015 9:09:49 GMT -8
It is what it is, love it or hate it. I'm not particularly worried - just like to know a little before making the move - thats all. All you can do is try to take a few precautions but most of us don't have the option of living in a cave with no computer access. I prefer not to worry about it too much - as the saying goes, each day has enough trouble of it's own.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 12, 2015 17:04:39 GMT -8
And me with my old XP. I feel so, how shall I put it, adequately served.
Ed
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Post by mlehman on Dec 12, 2015 17:43:56 GMT -8
SNIP Up until now, I have had automatic updates enabled for my windows 7 computer, for obvious reasons. I may have to begin manual updates, and verify each and every "important" update is not another "windows 10 installer". This latest one was classed as a security update. That's how it happened. I'm finishing the last of the revisions in my diss right now. I don't let my W7 laptop do ANYTHING automatically except let me know there's new crapola available. Even then, the pop-up keeps coming back, trying to trick me into hitting the WX button... Gotta agree with Ed otherwise, XP just keeps chugging along...this message came through OK, right?  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 12, 2015 18:54:08 GMT -8
Most of what I do on the computer is on an Apple. That would be the one where my grandson sent me a .pages document, and my Apple couldn't open it. Funny, my much older XP guys can open Word docs. Or is that docxs?
Anyway, I'm sort of hoping that MS thinks my two XP machines are so old that it isn't worth dropping the 10-bomb on me. I don't think there's even enough memory to hold 10. And yet, chug, chug, chug. Good little machines.
Ed
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Post by espeenut on Dec 15, 2015 23:00:25 GMT -8
I clicked on the constantly annoying box that was there each morning when I awoke my PC, signed up for the Win10 upgrade and was placed in the queue for installation sometime down the road. That happened last Thursday, I awoke my PC from sleep mode and the Win10 box said everything was ready to download and install, so I went for it. After installation I played around with things and quickly found I really don't like the graphics and new layout, particularly coming from Win7. I then went into Photoshop CS6 to resume working on some files that I was getting ready to print, uh oh Houston, we have a problem! Newly installed Win10 couldn't find any of my peripheral equipment, no printers, scanners or anything. They said I have to search for new drivers to download and manually reinstall my equipment...
...sorry Microsoft, Win7 works just fine, I'm used to it and it does everything I want it to do, it isn't dependent upon 'The Cloud' and it knows where all my scanners and printers are and they all work very well. So I went into 'settings', clicked on 'recovery' and then clicked on 'return to previous version of Windows' which you are allowed to do for the period of the first 30 days, you have to tell them why you aren't happy before they let you leave. It then took about ten minutes to return my PC into it's nicely operable Win7 state. It also informs you that at any point in the future, once you've got the downloaded Win10 files on your PC, you can happily return to Win10. I'll wait until they work all the bugs out of the system, ensure privacy, make 'The Cloud' optional and have all the drivers that I need readily on hand...
...there you have it, my Win10 upgrade, and downgrade, adventure...
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Post by valenciajim on Dec 16, 2015 0:55:35 GMT -8
I have noticed that the popups for Windows 10 are getting much more aggressive and annoying.
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Post by atsfan on Dec 16, 2015 14:53:51 GMT -8
I have noticed that the popups for Windows 10 are getting much more aggressive and annoying. Microsoft wants to make money off you. Turn off Windows updates. |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 22, 2016 6:29:38 GMT -8
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Post by Gary P on Feb 22, 2016 9:45:18 GMT -8
I think that's the driving force..... |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Feb 22, 2016 18:18:25 GMT -8
After months and month of  with Widows 10 I am still locked out of any meaningful use of my computer, it sits most of the time unplugged as I have a Mac Mini that I use the same monitor and speakers with. I bought a new photo scanner today and thought it might work better with my Photoshop Elements on the PC so I set it all up. The  ing Piece of won't even display the test scan as I don't have access to that file it wanted to save it to. Anyone out there don't fall for Microsoft's |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2016 5:24:36 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Feb 25, 2016 7:01:56 GMT -8
My current plan is to stick with my working copy of Windows 7 pro 64 bit and not disturb the force until I have to. There is a deadline for the free upgrade to 10, so when we get within a couple months of it (July 29 2016 I believe), I will revisit and read up on all the pro's and con's, and what stuff needs to be disabled etc. There is a tech forum I have been a member of since I learned how to build my own PC's back in 2000 that has a lot of knowledgable people an good stuff to read if anyone wants forum section is here: forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11 |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2016 10:58:10 GMT -8
My current plan is to stick with my working copy of Windows 7 pro 64 bit and not disturb the force until I have to. There is a deadline for the free upgrade to 10, so when we get within a couple months of it (July 29 2016 I believe), I will revisit and read up on all the pro's and con's, and what stuff needs to be disabled etc. There is a tech forum I have been a member of since I learned how to build my own PC's back in 2000 that has a lot of knowledgable people an good stuff to read if anyone wants forum section is here: forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11Have to is not really that. I have working computers on XP and even Windows 98 all perfectly usable, even online. And the "security" aspect is over played. Just keep running Windows 7 and you will be fine. Otherwise you will be upgraded to fend of a very slim chance of a software issue, for a known software issue, Windows 10. |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Feb 25, 2016 11:29:37 GMT -8
If you Google "Windows 10 verdict" you get a lot of positive reviews. I tend to be slow to embrace change when it might cost me time to adapt, but thinking I'm going to grab this while it's free.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2016 12:24:45 GMT -8
If you Google "Windows 10 verdict" you get a lot of positive reviews. I tend to be slow to embrace change when it might cost me time to adapt, but thinking I'm going to grab this while it's free. Google and Microsoft. What could go wrong. |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Feb 25, 2016 13:24:25 GMT -8
Windows 10 is just as good as Windows 7, which is a very good system. I've converted several working 7 systems to 10, and here are the 2 main issues people run into.
1) interface. Sure MS would love everyone to have a touch screen and use their new "tiled" interface. The fact is it is super simple to have your old familiar 7 desktop. It looks and acts exactly like a native 7 desktop.
2) hardware. This is probably the biggest kicker on some migrations. If you have old peripherals, they may not work under 10. My experience is about 85% work, 15% do not. It really has to do with the type of device, age, etc. For example, just about any off the shelf printer made in the last 10 years that works under 7 works under 10. I had one case where a person had gerry rigged a SCSI scanner to work under 7 (not supported there BTW), that of course would not work under 10.
Although not perfect, MS does have a hardware "compatibility" scanner that is fairly good.
To be specific related to model railroad functions, I have been running JMRI, LocoBuffer-II, and LOK Programmer in 10 with absolutely no problems.
YMMV. Bob
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2016 18:11:23 GMT -8
Windows 10 is just as good as Windows 7, which is a very good system. I've converted several working 7 systems to 10, and here are the 2 main issues people run into. 1) interface. Sure MS would love everyone to have a touch screen and use their new "tiled" interface. The fact is it is super simple to have your old familiar 7 desktop. It looks and acts exactly like a native 7 desktop. 2) hardware. This is probably the biggest kicker on some migrations. If you have old peripherals, they may not work under 10. My experience is about 85% work, 15% do not. It really has to do with the type of device, age, etc. For example, just about any off the shelf printer made in the last 10 years that works under 7 works under 10. I had one case where a person had gerry rigged a SCSI scanner to work under 7 (not supported there BTW), that of course would not work under 10. Although not perfect, MS does have a hardware "compatibility" scanner that is fairly good. To be specific related to model railroad functions, I have been running JMRI, LocoBuffer-II, and LOK Programmer in 10 with absolutely no problems. YMMV. Bob If one makes the interface look just like Windows 7, why upgrade? All it does is open you up to MS itself as spyware, trojan, tracking, logging, monitoring, etc. MS makes money off of it but what does a user get. The Metro Tile interface will be written about in years as a huge flop. It was meant to allow people to easily also use the same interface on their Windows phone. And who is buying a Windows phone in 2016? |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Feb 26, 2016 8:29:07 GMT -8
Windows 10 is just as good as Windows 7, which is a very good system. I've converted several working 7 systems to 10, and here are the 2 main issues people run into. 1) interface. Sure MS would love everyone to have a touch screen and use their new "tiled" interface. The fact is it is super simple to have your old familiar 7 desktop. It looks and acts exactly like a native 7 desktop. 2) hardware. This is probably the biggest kicker on some migrations. If you have old peripherals, they may not work under 10. My experience is about 85% work, 15% do not. It really has to do with the type of device, age, etc. For example, just about any off the shelf printer made in the last 10 years that works under 7 works under 10. I had one case where a person had gerry rigged a SCSI scanner to work under 7 (not supported there BTW), that of course would not work under 10. Although not perfect, MS does have a hardware "compatibility" scanner that is fairly good. To be specific related to model railroad functions, I have been running JMRI, LocoBuffer-II, and LOK Programmer in 10 with absolutely no problems. YMMV. Bob If one makes the interface look just like Windows 7, why upgrade? All it does is open you up to MS itself as spyware, trojan, tracking, logging, monitoring, etc. MS makes money off of it but what does a user get. The Metro Tile interface will be written about in years as a huge flop. It was meant to allow people to easily also use the same interface on their Windows phone. And who is buying a Windows phone in 2016? How's that '71 Pinto running for you?  |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 26, 2016 11:01:41 GMT -8
How's that '71 Pinto running for you? Hey now! My first car was a '71 lime green Pinto (yes, I took it in for the "exploding gas tank" recall too) It was freedom and I drove all over California in it. It was a manual transmission and driving the hilly streets of San Francisco really put my clutch skills to the test! |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2016 12:32:44 GMT -8
If one makes the interface look just like Windows 7, why upgrade? All it does is open you up to MS itself as spyware, trojan, tracking, logging, monitoring, etc. MS makes money off of it but what does a user get. The Metro Tile interface will be written about in years as a huge flop. It was meant to allow people to easily also use the same interface on their Windows phone. And who is buying a Windows phone in 2016? How's that '71 Pinto running for you? Well this comment about a Pinto makes Zero sense. I am talking about Windows 7. How is that in any way the equivalent of a 1971 Pinto. It isn't. If you are going to make an analogy, make it a correct one at least. Microsoft is banking on people lining up to upgrade. For no good reason. Just to upgrade to the "newest". If people are really worried about security the should not be using Windows anyway. |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2016 12:33:30 GMT -8
How's that '71 Pinto running for you? Hey now! My first car was a '71 lime green Pinto (yes, I took it in for the "exploding gas tank" recall too) It was freedom and I drove all over California in it. It was a manual transmission and driving the hilly streets of San Francisco really put my clutch skills to the test! The one with the huge hatch back? I knew someone with an Orange one. |
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