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Post by eh49 on Sept 14, 2015 4:21:01 GMT -8
The only Concor PA (HO) I recall, came out about the same time as the Athearn...if not a month or two earlier. It was not on the market very long, and I think had only one road name, Santa Fe. And no B unit to go with it.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 14, 2015 4:24:26 GMT -8
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Post by eh49 on Sept 14, 2015 4:32:28 GMT -8
I'll take the MTH PA over the P2k, but the old Con Cor was better than either ! Hobbytown was also excellent, but tough to work with a zinc body. Concor better? Don't think so. |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Sept 14, 2015 4:37:18 GMT -8
Am amused to read in the Athearn copy that CNW, CRI&P, IGN, and GN had Alco PAs. Somebody was likely seeing photos of FAs and failing to differentiate. I remember seeing an ad somewhere for the ConCor PA but have never seen one in person. Athearn no doubt pre-empted the market.
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Post by jaygee on Sept 14, 2015 6:04:03 GMT -8
There are very few people who have seen the Con Cor in person, and why it didn't take off can only be explained by their lack of advertising. It completely blows away the BB Athearn for looks and running. No B unit would also have hurt...and I don't know if there were road names other than AT&SF. Anyway, when the time comes to do a San Diegan...I'm going Mike !
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Post by stevewagner on Sept 14, 2015 8:35:31 GMT -8
The Delaware & Hudson didn't used any steam generator cars in passenger service that I know about. (It did have a home-made steam generator car that some fans called the Sputnik; it was used for other purposes.) But the D&H found that a single PA didn't provide enough steam for the Laurentian 1967-1971, at least in the winter. So the railroad often used two of them for the train. It also borrowed or leased E8's from the Erie Lackawanna for its remaining passenger service.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 14, 2015 10:22:59 GMT -8
 add BN to the list of Con-Cor PA roadnames. Paul's Hobby and Sports in East Rutherford had at least 1 example in the early 1970s. it may have been about $2.00 more than the Athearn PA,but don't recall exactly. do know that I decided to buy it only to miss the PA by a week or so. think it was Rail Road Modeler mag in the early 70s that had a Photo tour of Lilliput,there were several Santa Fe PAs and Chassis shown as Lilliput was trying to equal the Athearn chassis in running abilities. Europe may be the best place to turn up one of these models if one just has to have one. the body and nose did look better than the Athearn,but not as correct as the Hobbytown PA. the Hobbytown shell may be the best small number board single headlite shell so far. Spikre 
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Sept 14, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -8
jaygee,
You're kidding, right? It must be opposite day and you forgot to tell us, because there's no way the Con-Cor PA-1 is better than either the P2K or MTH versions. Just looking at that pic, the windshields are all wrong. It looks surprised. Then there's the total lack of front steps to the cab, the oddly shaped slot in the pilot for the coupler, the weird headlight case, the lump o' plastic horn, the large-looking numberboards, the 2-dimensional sideframes, no fuel tank at all, the molded on grabs, etc. It's not even close to the P2K or MTH versions.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 14, 2015 12:05:27 GMT -8
 the Con-Cor PA having a Higher or Same price as the Athearn model didn't help it any. and mainly being available in only Santa Fe for awhile didn't help it either. even Athearn made a B&O PA knowing they should have had some. have seen the BN version in its Box,but cant recall ever seeing any Con-Cor PAs out in actual light. Paul,think those "Eye Brows" on the Con-Cor shell were molded on grab irons ? overall the Con-Cor nose looked better than Athearn,at least in pictures. Spikre 
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Post by Mark R. on Sept 14, 2015 17:19:17 GMT -8
The Delaware & Hudson didn't used any steam generator cars in passenger service that I know about. (It did have a home-made steam generator car that some fans called the Sputnik; it was used for other purposes.) But the D&H found that a single PA didn't provide enough steam for the Laurentian 1967-1971, at least in the winter. So the railroad often used two of them for the train. It also borrowed or leased E8's from the Erie Lackawanna for its remaining passenger service. All four D&H PAs had steam generators. That "sputnik" car you refer to was used to provide steam heat for work trains in the winter months - it was never used for passenger service. Mark. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 20:26:26 GMT -8
I have two pictures of the ConCor PA I own. Unfortunately I'm not good at taking photos and my camera died after taking a couple pics, so this is all I have. The pilot and bottom ladders on the back are molded onto the chassis. The body came off a little bit. I guess I didn't notice it when I took the pic. Hopefully my post shows up and doesn't multipost.   |
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Post by fmilhaupt on Sept 15, 2015 2:25:44 GMT -8
I had a GN-painted Con-Cor PA1 come through the shop in the mid-1980s in a collection we purchased. To me, the underbody driveshaft was the most memorable thing about it.
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Post by peoriaman on Sept 15, 2015 4:59:54 GMT -8
I never knew Con Cor did an HO PA.
Their N-scale PA of course was a mainstay for many years, as probably the best running engine available for a very long time (in N scale that is). It was made by Kato if I remember right. And it was available in about, what, 30? 40? 50? different roadnames. Probably a shorter list would be all the roads they didn't paint it for.
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Post by bnsf971 on Sept 15, 2015 5:49:09 GMT -8
I never knew Con Cor did an HO PA. Their N-scale PA of course was a mainstay for many years, as probably the best running engine available for a very long time (in N scale that is). It was made by Kato if I remember right. And it was available in about, what, 30? 40? 50? different roadnames. Probably a shorter list would be all the roads they didn't paint it for. The original run Kato/Concor PA, as well as the Hudson and turbine/U50 models, all had a massive, at least for N scale, Pittman double shaft motor. They ran great, and were all good pullers, but had a rather high current draw. Subsequent runs had a version of the more familiar Kato N scale motor, and were much less likely to melt down a power supply. |
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Post by pboilermaker on Sept 15, 2015 18:12:37 GMT -8
Sooooooo...is it MTH or Proto that is the most faithful to the prototype?
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Post by jaygee on Sept 16, 2015 14:09:04 GMT -8
Well ...guess I'll have to revise my opinion on the Con Cor, but it still blows the BB off the map, and personally, I'd take it over the P2K with 45 Degree boards. Guess that means I like Mike !
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Post by railandsail on Jan 13, 2024 16:59:38 GMT -8
Has anyone experienced the 'cracked gear' phenomena with their LL/Proto PA locomotives?
To my knowledge there are no replacement gears available as they are different than the Athearn drive gears.
And the Proto 1000 DL-109 have this same gear-axle design? And I have found cracks in them.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 13, 2024 21:43:42 GMT -8
Has anyone experienced the 'cracked gear' phenomena with their LL/Proto PA locomotives? To my knowledge there are no replacement gears available as they are different than the Athearn drive gears. And the Proto 1000 DL-109 have this same gear-axle design? And I have found cracks in them. I don't own any PAs, but I think the DL-109 and Erie Built use the same truck design as well. The axle gear design looks the same as that of my Proto 1000 RDC even though the wheel diameter is different. If you need replacement axle gears, I think something like this may work: www.ebay.com/itm/353814058898 Take a set of calipers and measure the diameter of the metal axle to make sure it matches. Are the PA gears centered in the housing or offset to one side? |
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 13, 2024 22:47:15 GMT -8
First I have heard of one of these having cracks. Can you post photos?
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Post by win70rob on Jan 14, 2024 18:06:46 GMT -8
NWSL may be a good source for replacement gears. I also believe you can buy new wheel sets direct from Walthers today but am not 100 percent sure on that. I’ve personally purchased many replacement gears and axles from NWSL and have had good luck with them as they seem to be better quality
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 14, 2024 22:41:26 GMT -8
NWSL went out of business last year, I thought
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 14, 2024 23:29:33 GMT -8
NWSL went out of business last year, I thought They are back, an employee took over. A bit like MTH, everyone thought they closed, but a group of employees was able to bring the brand back. |
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Post by alcocentury on Jan 15, 2024 6:43:39 GMT -8
Not owning any of the PA's. Do any of the models have the crease that runs down center of the nose? Saw this in Diesel Era article.
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Post by win70rob on Jan 15, 2024 8:18:35 GMT -8
They have changed some things on their website now. I find it easier to email them and tell them exactly what you need, I recently purchased new gears about 2 months ago along with a new motor to repower and regear an older proto SW9. You can just order the axles and reuse your wheels but I’d recommend using there stainless wheel sets which work amazingly well. If you go to there website you can click on the manufacturer for the gears you are looking for
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Post by Baikal on Jan 15, 2024 8:20:09 GMT -8
Not owning any of the PAs. Do any of the models have the crease that runs down center of the nose? Saw this in Diesel Era article.
As faintly seen here on a new PA-1:
I don't know if it's visible in photos of in-service units. I don't recall seeing it.
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Post by alcocentury on Jan 15, 2024 10:51:46 GMT -8
Picture I saw was in Diesel Era was about S.P. PA's. Would have to dig it out to see if it was new or not. The picture was pretty much of the nose and the crease was quite noticeable.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 15, 2024 13:20:16 GMT -8
I looked around online, and found what I think are examples of the nose crease:   I had the feeling that it showed up in other photos, but it was weak enough that I thought it could be argued that my little brain made it up. The two above seem better than that. It seems to show up best when there is sunlight coming straight in from the side. There were also some shots where I thought there might not be a crease. I thought I might have seen it on an FA, or two, also. Ed |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 15, 2024 14:54:35 GMT -8
Not owning any of the PA's. Do any of the models have the crease that runs down center of the nose? Saw this in Diesel Era article. The current Rapido model does. You can see it on the first unpainted sample photo, and the PRR one has good lighting that highlights it too. rapidotrains.com/ho-scale/diesel-locomotives/pa-1.html |
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Post by cpr4200 on Jan 16, 2024 8:17:11 GMT -8
Marklin/Trix made a beautiful PA, available painted for UP, Rio Grande, Wabash, Santa Fe, and NYC, IIRC. A bit odd in two respects: units could only be run back to back due to drawbar and wire connections between units, and only two axles were driven on each unit.
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 16, 2024 9:14:46 GMT -8
Marklin/Trix made a beautiful PA, available painted for UP, Rio Grande, Wabash, Santa Fe, and NYC, IIRC. A bit odd in two respects: units could only be run back to back due to drawbar and wire connections between units, and only two axles were driven on each unit.
They certainly do some odd things. Seems like a waste not to power each axle. |
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