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Post by markfj on Oct 8, 2015 4:55:58 GMT -8
Hello Group, For those that missed it, here is a link to the Railway Gazette article about EMD's first Tier 4 locomotive unveiled last Sunday. EMD unveils its first Tier 4 diesel locomotiveSo, what do you all think of this diesel? It is my understanding from reading other forums that EMD has lagged behind the competition in producing a Tier 4 compliant product. This has led some to speculate that EMD will have a tough time regaining market share against GE. Do you think this locomotive will help bring EMD back into the game? Aside from the new 1010 engine, this locomotive is also equipped with a new truck design that has individual axle control. That design sounds very complex; it will be interesting to see just how well it performs in service. Better late than never I always say, and it’s great to see a new EMD product hit the rails! Thanks, Mark |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 8, 2015 5:13:03 GMT -8
Much nicer looking than the early test shots shown. Nice paint job. Interesting looking trucks. I nope the real engine runs well and delivers so railroads buy them. I like these any day over a sea of GEVOs. Now, who will first build the model?  |
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Post by Christian on Oct 8, 2015 6:31:59 GMT -8
speculate that EMD will have a tough time regaining market share against GE. Do you think this locomotive will help bring EMD back into the game? That's totally up to bean counters. Cost per (whatever the formula.) No urea needed to comply is interesting. |
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 8, 2015 6:58:26 GMT -8
It's about time. Not that I'm a fan of anything since the SD70MAC. I just want to see someone keep GE honest.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 8, 2015 8:47:39 GMT -8
Visually I haven't really cared for most of the newer generation diesels, but I guess thats progress. I suppose people felt the same way when the second generation power took over from the first. EMD has been behind for some time, although it appears EMD isn't the same ol company we knew from the 70's and 80's.
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Post by atsfan on Oct 8, 2015 12:08:40 GMT -8
EMD is now Progressive rail, part of Catipillar.
I like their engines as a fan.
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Post by antoniofp45 on Oct 8, 2015 16:41:26 GMT -8
Looks neat! I don't model modern units but do like their body styles; especially EMD's.
One feature I'm glad to see in the photo is the "Tear Drop" windshield, which harkens back to the classic EMD Cowl units of the 1960s.
I may be mistaken, but it seems that for the past few years, North American railroads have been ordering the straight, rectangular "GE-style" windshields on their safety cab equipped, "SD-whatever ACE" units. Probably an option that's cheaper in price, but they just DON'T LOOK RIGHT on an EMD Safety Cab.
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Post by bigblow69 on Oct 27, 2015 15:48:39 GMT -8
Much nicer looking than the early test shots shown. Nice paint job. Interesting looking trucks. I nope the real engine runs well and delivers so railroads buy them. I like these any day over a sea of GEVOs. Now, who will first build the model? Hopefully not MTH. |
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Post by PennCentral on Oct 27, 2015 16:11:49 GMT -8
EMD 1501 was buried in a crappy location at the engine facility at Norfolk Southern's yard in New Haven, Indiana the other day. Wasn't able to see the entire locomotive due to the crappy location it was parked but could see the front and rear. So far, I am not liking the looks of the cab. I really like the SD70ACe. It looks very brutish. From what I could see of the 1501, it's lines look 'softer' if you can use that term in regards to a locomotive. Eventually I'll get a better look at one of the demonstrators. Most everything built at Muncie comes north to New Haven.
Jason
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 27, 2015 20:34:58 GMT -8
One feature I'm glad to see in the photo is the "Tear Drop" windshield, which harkens back to the classic EMD Cowl units of the 1960s. I may be mistaken, but it seems that for the past few years, North American railroads have been ordering the straight, rectangular "GE-style" windshields on their safety cab equipped, "SD-whatever ACE" units. Probably an option that's cheaper in price, but they just DON'T LOOK RIGHT on an EMD Safety Cab. I think the issue is that it's another unique part to stock in every maintenance facility. I may be wrong, but I expect to see the rectangular style on any that BNSF gets. EMD locomotives really benefit from this style windshield since you sit back farther from the glass in their locomotives compared to GE locomotives. This impedes visibility somewhat, though on these locomotives you generally aren't doing an activity that requires you to be a surgeon with a locomotive. Anyway, I'm curious to operate one and see how it compares to everything else out there. |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 28, 2015 5:36:42 GMT -8
Looks like the SD70M wind shields with SD70ACe nose.
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Post by Spikre on Oct 28, 2015 10:45:52 GMT -8
 another new engine the 1010 ? is this the Cylinder Cubic capacity ? or just a term like 265H was ? and it is a 4 Stroke. didn't EMD have plenty of trouble with the 265H being a 4 Stroke type engine ? the big Cat 4 Strokes never caught on,why should this 1010 Engine ? looks like EMD will get some sales because GE will be backlogged. but will they be enuff sales to make EMD a viable Contender again ? tune in around 2018 to find an answer. Spikre 
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 28, 2015 11:55:59 GMT -8
Much nicer looking than the early test shots shown. Nice paint job. Interesting looking trucks. I nope the real engine runs well and delivers so railroads buy them. I like these any day over a sea of GEVOs. Now, who will first build the model? it took over 10 years to get the flair type radiators on the SD70m models, so this unit might get a model about 2025 or so after they are retired. This one should be much easier to model since the basic cab and long hood has been built already. Larry |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 28, 2015 12:12:49 GMT -8
Hello Group, For those that missed it, here is a link to the Railway Gazette article about EMD's first Tier 4 locomotive unveiled last Sunday. EMD unveils its first Tier 4 diesel locomotiveSo, what do you all think of this diesel? It is my understanding from reading other forums that EMD has lagged behind the competition in producing a Tier 4 compliant product. This has led some to speculate that EMD will have a tough time regaining market share against GE. Do you think this locomotive will help bring EMD back into the game? Aside from the new 1010 engine, this locomotive is also equipped with a new truck design that has individual axle control. That design sounds very complex; it will be interesting to see just how well it performs in service. Better late than never I always say, and it’s great to see a new EMD product hit the rails! Thanks, Mark Mark EMD has already lost most of the market share and probably will lose much more in percentage since this unit will have to be tested and certified as Tier 4 compliant. The time frame that EMD built existing models while trying to sell the company was a big factor in lost market share. We watched the Tier 4 GE testing on Donner pass more than a year ago and now they are being delivered to several railroads. My thought about the EMD Tier 4 diesels is they look good and I hope they test well and can be produced. Any railroad needing new power right now has to go with GE for the next year of so. This unit has a new 4 stroke motor which needs to be certified for Tier 4 and the railroads need to be comfortable with the reliability of the new motor. The cab is just an expanded version of the Phase II cab on the SD70M units and it looks nice. The rest of the body is a modified SD70Ace but the trucks look to be new and different. All of the traction motors are isolated from each other and that is one feature where the GE units really bested the EMD units up until this model. Let's hope the testing goes well and this unit can be put into production by late 2016 or early 2017 as they have scheduled recently. If they do not get it into production late next year, about 90% of the orders will go to GE after that time. Larry |
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Post by sp8299 on Oct 30, 2015 8:07:21 GMT -8
One feature I'm glad to see in the photo is the "Tear Drop" windshield, which harkens back to the classic EMD Cowl units of the 1960s. I may be mistaken, but it seems that for the past few years, North American railroads have been ordering the straight, rectangular "GE-style" windshields on their safety cab equipped, "SD-whatever ACE" units. Probably an option that's cheaper in price, but they just DON'T LOOK RIGHT on an EMD Safety Cab. I think the issue is that it's another unique part to stock in every maintenance facility. I may be wrong, but I expect to see the rectangular style on any that BNSF gets. EMD locomotives really benefit from this style windshield since you sit back farther from the glass in their locomotives compared to GE locomotives. This impedes visibility somewhat, though on these locomotives you generally aren't doing an activity that requires you to be a surgeon with a locomotive. Anyway, I'm curious to operate one and see how it compares to everything else out there. AFAIK the rectangular windshields on SD70ACes weren't an option; that's EMDs standard, though if you twisted their arm enough and waved enough cash, you could probably get whatever window you wanted. Ditto for GE's window designs. But the bottom line is that the builders these days aren't interested in a bunch of different options in the name of simplified and streamlined production; what you see is what you get, unless you pony up serious cash to have them build you something custom. I'd expect the same to hold true with the SD70ACe-T4. I expect to see production versions to come with teardrop windshields as standard. |
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Post by Spikre on Nov 20, 2015 12:30:15 GMT -8
have recently read that the Cylinder Displacement for the 265H Engine is 1010 Cubic Inches. so what sort of Shell Game is EMD pulling here ? the 16V265H quickly earned a Bad reputation as a CLUNKER !! so by changing the name to the Traditional EMD Engine Series ID of Cubic Inch Dispacement do they think it will fool any RRs today ? time will tell !!? Spikre 
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 20, 2015 17:36:32 GMT -8
have recently read that the Cylinder Displacement for the 265H Engine is 1010 Cubic Inches. so what sort of Shell Game is EMD pulling here ? the 265H quickly earned a Bad reputation as a CLUNKER !! so by changing the name to the Traditional EMD Engine Series ID of Cubic Inch Dispacement do they think it will fool any RRs today ? time will tell !!? Spikre I seriously doubt the railroads are as gullible as the consumers buying new Dodge Hemis and thinking they are anything like the 60s powerhouse 426s. EMD will have a lot to prove past the name of the powerplant. I saw a video from one of the rail trade media about the new locomotives It ws an interview of the EMD Project manager for the Tier 4. He pointed out the unit doesn't have trucks. It has new "Fabricated Bogies" |
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Post by Spikre on Nov 21, 2015 11:23:29 GMT -8
Fabricated Boogies ?? isn't that what some of the F-M Erie Builts had with the Welded oddball trucks ? and check out what was under the early Budd RDC units. and didn't the K-M 4000C Cab units also have Welded trucks ? call them whatever,they are trucks over here. GE/Duetz/HDL Engines: not exactly small fry at 958.6 Cubic Inches per Cylinder. am guessing the current GEVO-12 Cylinders have about the same Dispacement,but havnt found a reference yet. any body know what the GEVO-12 displacement is ? Spikre 
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Post by chessie77 on Nov 22, 2015 13:25:46 GMT -8
Hey Spiker, the new 1010 engine is the updated version of the 265H. Check out this: EMD 1010 |
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 22, 2015 15:41:41 GMT -8
Hey Spiker, the new 1010 engine is the updated version of the 265H. Check out this: EMD 1010The updated version of the 265H should be more successful than the previous offerings of this motor series. If it is not, EMD is over on USA railroads. It is my thought that this updated motor will do well since Cat really wants new business compared to the old EMD being out of touch. After the SD50 series showed up as being unreliable, they tried to sell the company and the railroads lost faith in the product line. They limped along acting like they were in business but never gave GE much competition. GE also had great financing and really sold out the market. I still like to see both GE and the new EMD models on my outings, but it will never be the same again for EMD. Getting to the market late on the Tier IV units will cost them more lost sales and when the new model is actually certified, they will get token orders to keep GE pricing honest. Just my thoughts, but who knows?? Larry |
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Post by atsfan on Nov 22, 2015 16:01:06 GMT -8
Hey Spiker, the new 1010 engine is the updated version of the 265H. Check out this: EMD 1010The updated version of the 265H should be more successful than the previous offerings of this motor series. If it is not, EMD is over on USA railroads. It is my thought that this updated motor will do well since Cat really wants new business compared to the old EMD being out of touch. After the SD50 series showed up as being unreliable, they tried to sell the company and the railroads lost faith in the product line. They limped along acting like they were in business but never gave GE much competition. GE also had great financing and really sold out the market. I still like to see both GE and the new EMD models on my outings, but it will never be the same again for EMD. Getting to the market late on the Tier IV units will cost them more lost sales and when the new model is actually certified, they will get token orders to keep GE pricing honest. Just my thoughts, but who knows?? Larry Cat may be in this formthe long haul GE could sell Erie off at any moment on the path they are on. |
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Post by Spikre on Nov 30, 2015 15:24:45 GMT -8
 EMD may have the same problems that Alco had with the 244 Series. by 1953 the 244H or 250 was much improved over the 244s up until 1950. but by then 244 was poisen with many roads,so Alco tried to change the Series to 250,but it didn't work as well as planned,also caused some confusion with the much Improved 251 Series. are some Former Alco Engineers now at work at EMD ? by changing the 265H to 265J,this causes the same problems Alco had with the 250s. and now changing the Series to the 1010 to give it a new life,well Time will tell if EMD has better Luck than Alco did. will they go to the Cat Big Blocks if RRs shun the 1010 ? again,its a wait and see type thing. Spikre
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Post by curtmc on Dec 6, 2015 11:18:42 GMT -8
Sorry, but the traditional, long lasting, LaGrange built EMD is dead.
That new Eco-Junque* unit is a Cat - and an ugly one at that - with navy, teal, lime and silver lipstick.
EPA needs to get their nose out of railroading... and into the trucking industry that causes more pollution.
- Curt Mc
*Copyright pending
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Post by atsfan on Dec 6, 2015 19:11:16 GMT -8
Sorry, but the traditional, long lasting, LaGrange built EMD is dead. That new Eco-Junque* unit is a Cat - and an ugly one at that - with navy, teal, lime and silver lipstick. EPA needs to get their nose out of railroading... and into the trucking industry that causes more pollution. - Curt Mc *Copyright pending The EPA nees to get out of many things. But it wont and it is only getting worse. |
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Post by IHB97 on Dec 7, 2015 13:14:08 GMT -8
That is certainly an interesting design.
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