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Post by fr8kar on Apr 26, 2017 8:19:13 GMT -8
For the love of God, post this rubbish in the lounge, unless there is something scale-specific about this round of fanning flames.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Apr 26, 2017 8:41:32 GMT -8
The topic was loaded from that start, and sure to invite a host of opinions, including those at the extreme ends of this debate. Also, there was too much topic drift. Generally, when a recurring topic appears, those that have had their fill with said topic often find it necessary to vocalize their position, which leads to others vocalizing their opinion about those opinions, which then leads to further thread degradation.
The point of this forum is for the discussion of model railroading, which covers an immense area of interests. The promotion of this hobby is the reason we are all here, and instead of worrying about how RTR is "ruining" the hobby, how about showing how to take an RTR offering and customize and personalize it by weathering, or adding extra detail, or both! Not everything has to be negative! Turn the RTR revolution into something beneficial!
Donnell
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Post by NS4122 on Apr 26, 2017 9:24:08 GMT -8
Rather than ruining the hobby, I believe that RTR is actually helping the hobby. The increasing availability of high quality RTR locomotives and rolling stock opens the hobby up to people who are interested in realistic looking model trains, but do not have the skill, patience, resources and time etc. to create them. These are people who are not into the hobby to impress or inspire their friends with their latest scratch built gem, but who like to focus on other aspects of model railroading. If you are a person who gains satisfaction from scratch building highly detailed models, you can still do that, RTR is not stopping you. But, if you crave attention from others, and find that your models are on a par detail wise with available RTR models, then your day may be ruined.
I don’t believe that scratch or kit building is a requirement to enjoy the hobby, but it appears that some may feel resentment to those who can buy a highly detailed RTR model without “paying their dues” by actually building the model.
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Post by Brakie on Apr 26, 2017 9:33:06 GMT -8
Donnel,I hated the look of those cheesy looking spacers on a Athearn RTR Bulkhead flat car with a pipe load so, here's my change over to scale lumber.  |
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Post by peoriaman on Apr 26, 2017 11:08:18 GMT -8
It amazed me how I was called lots of names, none were very nice, because I put forth my opinion. Go back and read my posts and you'll see I didn't disparage anyone. The forum was getting a little slow, so I spiced things up a bit. BTW, what's a socket puppet? I will say that those who got there panties in a wad are snow flakes. I lost respect for several folks that I thought were a bit more reasonable.Anyhow, I guess I'll keep my mouth shut and let the big shots run or ruin their forum. Oh, get over it already. Can't you take the hint? |
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Post by cf7 on Apr 26, 2017 11:15:17 GMT -8
Those of us that have been here for awhile know how the other forum members are. A lot of us go back to the old Atlas board. You really need to let things roll off and just have a good time with it. This is a good group, but you need to take some things with a grain of salt. The forums are only what you make of them. I choose for this forum to be fun, and you get to see some good modeling to boot.
What more could you ask?
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Post by peoriaman on Apr 26, 2017 11:29:09 GMT -8
Peoriaman, you are a SNOW FLAKE! Be careful or you'll melt. Ha ha thats funny coming from the guy who got into a hissy (twice!) and finally quit because you weren't getting the right amount of kudos for your models (ironically, over a holiday weekend when the forum is slow anyway). What's the matter, doesn't your old forum name work any more? Or is it too much like damaged goods? EDIT: 500 posts w00t!!! |
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Post by cf7 on Apr 26, 2017 11:35:05 GMT -8
At the rate I'm going, it'll be another 4 years before I get there! |
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Post by Judge Doom on Apr 26, 2017 12:14:10 GMT -8
And we lost respect for you too Bobby. CONGRATS BROSAUCE!!!!  |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Apr 26, 2017 15:55:56 GMT -8
Donnel,I hated the look of those cheesy looking spacers on a Athearn RTR Bulkhead flat car with a pipe load so, here's my change over to scale lumber.
Now that's what I'm talking about! Simple, yet elegant!
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Post by riogrande on Apr 26, 2017 16:20:29 GMT -8
And you got rid of the clear rubbery straps too. I've got a couple of those bulkheads with pipe loads too. Looks like a good improvement.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 26, 2017 17:25:19 GMT -8
This WAS an RTR Athearn Genesis EMD FP45 painted in yellow warbonnet. Its a bit different now:  Cannon fans Cannon inertial air filter Cannon steps Detail Associates MU plugs Will have DA MU signal line hoses Rear pilot detailed to prototype Front pilot detailed to prototype Details West scale buffers This WAS an RTR Kato EMD SD45 painted in Wisconsin Central.....            Cannon fans Cannon dynamic fans Cannon Inertial Air Filter Cannon Air Intake Cannon sub-base Cannon Cab Cannon Nose Brake cylinder piping on trucks - scratch Details West Sanding Brackets DW Scale Buffer Detail Associates Drop Step DA MU Receptacle and Plugs DA MU Signal Hoses Scratch built cut and Foot Board bars Cannon Doors to back unit to first production prototype Utah Pacific Gyra Light added to nose Cannon steps Cannon rear long hood And there is more...... The stuff started life as RTR.....But now its anything but. |
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Post by dharris on Apr 26, 2017 17:27:16 GMT -8
Anyone who has a layout of any type uses *something* that is RTR.
Starting with lumber.
Track. Ties.
Cork.
Turnouts.
Wire.
Scenery products.
Building. Electronics.
Detail parts.
Etc. etc.
ALL of the above items someone could claim should be scratch built.
Even the lumber some woodworkers mill their own.
So RTR in all its forms is used by all modelers.
So this entire concept is rather illogical.
Most people have two things in short supply. Time and money.
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Post by Brakie on Apr 26, 2017 17:40:32 GMT -8
And you got rid of the clear rubbery straps too. I've got a couple of those bulkheads with pipe loads too. Looks like a good improvement. Jim, I used 1/16th chart tape since that was the smallest size I could find. |
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Post by gevohogger on Apr 26, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -8
So this entire concept is rather illogical. Most people have two things in short supply. Time and money. Exactly. I'll buy RTR for stuff I can't build or have no interest in building. Huge time saver. OP is being unnecessarily defensive. Is he one of those guys who takes a contrary position just for the sport of making it into an argument? |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 26, 2017 18:06:46 GMT -8
So this entire concept is rather illogical. Most people have two things in short supply. Time and money. Exactly. I'll buy RTR for stuff I can't build or have no interest in building. Huge time saver. OP is being unnecessarily defensive. Is he one of those guys who takes a contrary position just for the sport of making it into an argument? Mean like our old "buddy" atsfan?  |
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Post by cf7 on Apr 27, 2017 5:49:15 GMT -8
Jim - I love seeing your work. Is the SD45 gonna be an NP?
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 27, 2017 16:02:08 GMT -8
Jim - I love seeing your work. Is the SD45 gonna be an NP? Yes, Northern Pacific circa 1966. |
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Post by scalecraft on Jun 7, 2017 15:02:13 GMT -8
Anyone who has a layout of any type uses *something* that is RTR. Starting with lumber. Track. Ties. Cork. Turnouts. Wire. Scenery products. Building. Electronics. Detail parts. Etc. etc. ALL of the above items someone could claim should be scratch built. Even the lumber some woodworkers mill their own. So RTR in all its forms is used by all modelers. So this entire concept is rather illogical. Most people have two things in short supply. Time and money. Maybe. Except ties aren't R-T-R. My 2-rail 0 stuff is TruScale track...NOT R-T-R. My old control systems were hand built (replaced by old Marn-0-Stats, so, yes, those are sort of R-T-R). Freight cars are or were all kits, same with all locos I can think of. Scenery..yes, if you take a pre-fab building out of a box and plop it on the benchwork...but if it's a kit, it's not R-T-R. Last time I looked at wire, it did not load itself onto the layout and self-solder. Detail parts, you have to install and paint....the lines are real foggy in a lot of places. My thoughts on R-T-R stem from mid to late 50's freight cars and engines in a box. All factory assembled. |
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