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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 18, 2017 8:17:40 GMT -8
New videos from the loonies at Rapido:
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Post by steveturner on Aug 18, 2017 9:59:34 GMT -8
Do you work for Rapido? If not, why do people post information and videos for manufacturers unless they are working for them or Shill members disguised as model railroaders. Give it up. Whats the issue ? Its called interactive participation by a MFG who takes time out to inform and participate with fellow modelers in the hobby. Rapido and Jasons clips are more than welcome to me. Whether posted by Rapido or a Rapido follower!Steve.............by the way Jason great clip great marketing! Go Canada! |
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Post by ambluco on Aug 18, 2017 10:13:35 GMT -8
Why would a person whose 3rd post is this post ask this without first learning how the forum works? Do you work for Rapido? If not, why do people post information and videos for manufacturers unless they are working for them or Shill members disguised as model railroaders. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 18, 2017 10:13:48 GMT -8
Do you work for Rapido? If not, why do people post information and videos for manufacturers unless they are working for them or Shill members disguised as model railroaders. @retsnmrr Why the witch hunt? FYI, regular members frequently post info about model train companies and updates on models etc. In addition, manufactures are welcome to come here and post updates as Jason or his minions sometimes doo. There is no need for anyone to disguise themselves. What's the problem? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 12:30:15 GMT -8
Sometimes us hillbillies only get update info like this.
So for me this helps with where my $$$$$$$ goes and for what.
I'll now dethrone my soap box hahahaha
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Post by areibel on Aug 18, 2017 12:31:38 GMT -8
Just look at the user name backwards. You'll see something interesting?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 12:34:36 GMT -8
Just look at the user name backwards. You'll see something interesting? Wow just noticed that great Catch says a lot in itself. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Aug 18, 2017 12:57:11 GMT -8
That you Al? Whose LEDs should we use to replace those Walthers Mainline SD70's you remarked on on your first post 'dem's some fine fine cabbages. If I was an Am-modeler, I'd pick up one or two. I remember reading those articles in Model Railroader, RMC and co about kitbashing them from Walthers F40s and other units back in the day. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Aug 18, 2017 14:15:10 GMT -8
Glad you guys like the video. We're getting sillier and sillier...
When I was doing the commercial I couldn't get the Roger Ramjet theme out of my head. I think it shows....
-Jason
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:23:55 GMT -8
That you Al? Whose LEDs should we use to replace those Walthers Mainline SD70's you remarked on on your first post 'dem's some fine fine cabbages. If I was an Am-modeler, I'd pick up one or two. I remember reading those articles in Model Railroader, RMC and co about kitbashing them from Walthers F40s and other units back in the day. Yes. And I replaced mine with Monster LEDs, and I would recommend them too!  |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 18, 2017 16:30:18 GMT -8
Just look at the user name backwards. You'll see something interesting? Wow just noticed that great Catch says a lot in itself. That possibility didn't escape me. I don't understand why he's hiding behind another account however. |
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Post by NS4122 on Aug 19, 2017 6:05:38 GMT -8
Wow just noticed that great Catch says a lot in itself. That possibility didn't escape me. I don't understand why he's hiding behind another account however. This is the same stuff he would do on the old Atlas forum when his main account was suspended. |
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Post by sd80mac on Aug 21, 2017 10:52:18 GMT -8
The cabbages are awesome but too new for me. However, I will definitely be getting a modernized F40! Hopefully they will do later phase units in the future!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 12:10:48 GMT -8
Watched the video the units are way to modern for me.
But loved the Doppler effect horn on the unit as it went by the camera.
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Post by rapidotrains on Aug 21, 2017 17:28:25 GMT -8
The cabbages are awesome but too new for me. However, I will definitely be getting a modernized F40! Hopefully they will do later phase units in the future! The later phase units in the future are most probably coming, but we won't announce them until 6-12 months after these next ones ship. The trouble is the market for F40s isn't that big. Yes, there are many people on this and other forums who are waiting for the later phase F40s, but the number of people in our hobby in general who can tell the difference between a phase 3 F40 and a phase 1 F40 is probably one to two percent. Most people who model Amtrak see an F40 and think "I've got that already." And they aren't talking about our model. They are talking about the F40 they bought 20 years ago. Unfortunately, for the vast majority of modellers, passenger trains are just eye candy that run occasionally between the wayfreights. It's the same in the USA and Canada. I've seen numerous beautiful layouts with gorgeous CN and CP freight equipment. Many of the cars are resin kits so they are accurate for oddball Canadian prototypes, every new accurate Canadian prototype freight car or locomotive is eagerly snatched up, and the freight locomotives that haven't been done in plastic are either brass or they are heavily kitbashed plastic, loaded with tonnes of custom details from Miniatures by Eric, Custom Finishing, Detail Associates, etc. Then the passenger train comes out: not-remotely-accurate passenger cars from 20 years ago with a pair of Atlas/Roco FP7s on the front! It drives me batty. But it's true. Passenger modelling - even for those who model the transition era when passenger trains were long and gorgeous - is often just an afterthought. In the last 10+ years we've worked hard at Rapido to change that attitude and encourage serious passenger modelling. However, if someone already built his layout and it's not designed for passenger train operation, then I'll be the first to admit that passenger trains are really boring to operate. -Jason |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Aug 21, 2017 17:40:42 GMT -8
The cabbages are awesome but too new for me. However, I will definitely be getting a modernized F40! Hopefully they will do later phase units in the future! The later phase units in the future are most probably coming, but we won't announce them until 6-12 months after these next ones ship. The trouble is the market for F40s isn't that big. Yes, there are many people on this and other forums who are waiting for the later phase F40s, but the number of people in our hobby in general who can tell the difference between a phase 3 F40 and a phase 1 F40 is probably one to two percent. Most people who model Amtrak see an F40 and think "I've got that already." And they aren't talking about our model. They are talking about the F40 they bought 20 years ago. Unfortunately, for the vast majority of modellers, passenger trains are just eye candy that run occasionally between the wayfreights. It's the same in the USA and Canada. I've seen numerous beautiful layouts with gorgeous CN and CP freight equipment. Many of the cars are resin kits so they are accurate for oddball Canadian prototypes, every new accurate Canadian prototype freight car or locomotive is eagerly snatched up, and the freight locomotives that haven't been done in plastic are either brass or they are heavily kitbashed plastic, loaded with tonnes of custom details from Miniatures by Eric, Custom Finishing, Detail Associates, etc. Then the passenger train comes out: not-remotely-accurate passenger cars from 20 years ago with a pair of Atlas/Roco FP7s on the front! It drives me batty. But it's true. Passenger modelling - even for those who model the transition era when passenger trains were long and gorgeous - is often just an afterthought. In the last 10+ years we've worked hard at Rapido to change that attitude and encourage serious passenger modelling. However, if someone already built his layout and it's not designed for passenger train operation, then I'll be the first to admit that passenger trains are really boring to operate. -Jason Well said Jason. My best friend owned a hobby shop for nearly 15 years before economy and his will to get out of the business finally made him shut the doors in 2008. While the Santa Fe is hugely popular in the Chicago area, he had nearly zero people order the first run of the Walthers Super Chief. This is when the cars were cheap at a list price of $39.98. He bought the special Athearn Genesis/Walthers exclusive Santa Fe passenger F's and they didn't move. He could easily sell freight equipment, except for some instances like Bankruptcy Blue Rock Island.(the store was located in New Lenox, IL where the Rock Island mainline ran through for decades) If something came in painted for the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern it nearly flew out the door. If was passenger equipment it generally sat on the shelf, waiting for a dusting. I've always wondered how Walthers has been able to pump out the "name trains" over the years. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 22, 2017 9:27:07 GMT -8
Jason, If only more people would realize the operations potential of passenger service. So many see operations of trainsets as monolithic blocks of stainless steel, each identical in every way, when it can be so much more. On the NH, the railroad not only had a different consist for every non-commuter train, the consist varied by the day of the week. Friday's train could be twice as long as the Monday train, or maybe the Sunday train got an extra baggage car for newspaper/magazine deliveries. The order of the train mattered (the diner was routinely used to separate the coach passengers from the 1st class passengers), and also varied. Sometimes, a certain train would get a full diner, other times it got a grill car. Holidays also mattered and affected the consists. All this was redone twice a year with the timetable changes. What I did on my layout for passenger ops was to have a passenger terminal and a staging yard at the other end. I looked up a number of train consists in my NH paperwork, and chose a dozen trains to model that used cars that I owned (or could reasonably fake), and were less than 9 cars long (the length of my passenger terminal w/ locos). I arranged it so that the same cars were used over again but in different trains with added or removed extra cars as needed (pre-staged at the ends of the layout). Sometimes the inbound coaches would be used on the next outbound, sometimes not. For ops, I had these trains run in order (1 to 12), but not on a time schedule. They took however long it took to make the consists and run the trains. It sounds complicated, but I had an old blackboard set up that listed the trains in order with their consists. Engines were also pre-assigned, and one had to dig them out of the roundhouse as needed. When I did my ops sessions, the passenger operator was never bored. It took him just as long to run a dozen passenger trains as any of the local freights took (who were also dodging him on the mainline). It was a lot of fun operating passenger trains that way. When simply used as a run through train, it would be boring as heck, no different from a run through bridge traffic freight. Jim, Those Walthers cars were not considered cheap at the time, even at $40. We were all used to $20 Rivarossi/Con-Cor cars and $10 Athearns. It was the same reaction when Kadee came out with their first PS-1 40' boxcar in the mid-1990's; $20 was "outrageous" for a boxcar when we were all used to $5 Athearns. Now, just try to find a new freight car for under $20.  For how Walthers can keep selling name trains, the simple fact is that there are many "collectors" in this hobby that own things just to own them. I know several people in my club that own complete name train sets from Walthers and Rapido but rarely run them. In fact, now that I think of it, every Walthers name train that has been released has been purchased by at least one club member. The usual way it works is a club member collects all the pieces of their train, and when complete, brings it to the club and runs it for one show, open house, or operations session. Then it goes back in the box and never returns. There are some exceptions (one guy has left his B&O name train on the layout since it came out), but generally speaking, the name trains are "one and done" at our club. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 22, 2017 9:59:34 GMT -8
Jason, If only more people would realize the operations potential of passenger service. So many see operations of trainsets as monolithic blocks of stainless steel, each identical in every way, when it can be so much more. Well, there are model railroaders who look for operational interest, even from passenger trains, and there are the rest who just want to run trains around in circles *shrugs*. Whatever floats their boat. But the silver lining to that "cloud" that Jason is harping about is those people are buying trains and part of the reason why the rest of us putzes have the choice to buy name passenger trains that have cars that match real passenger cars! A choice mostly only attainable with brass not so long ago. So I'd rather see that glass as half full rather than half empty. Maybe I was late to the party but the first HO Kadee freight cars I remember were more like $24 but being a modeler of the late 1980's thru early 1990's, Kadee freight cars were not on my radar being a bit too early. It wasn't until back dated to ten years earlier that I began to seriously start looking at buying Kadee freight cars. But tuning in on your train of thought, I remember when Tangent first started making and selling their CF4750 covered hoppers and selling them at around $44 each and many had kittens over it. Like many, I too was shocked and although those hoppers were lovely, they were too expensive for me - at that time my budget was much smaller than it is now. Of course now we are seeing ExactRail cars selling regularly for $45 and Moloco box cars for $53. What I don't understand why ExactRail freight cars have continued to raise yearly while Tangent has, so far, held the line with their prices. My budget has increased in the past 4 or 5 years and I did begin purchasing Tangent freight cars and Moloco, but at $45 each, I can't afford very many, that's for sure. So the argument applying to passenger cars is somewhat valid that at $80+ each, and wage stagnation over the past 10 years, the increase on passenger and freight car prices is not an insignificant problem. Those collectors do serve to help allow Walthers and others to offer them and the rest of us benefit by having them accessible to buy if we wish. Prior to that it was an unaffordable option, to most of us, which was brass. As for the buy and run once - I don't blame them in a way. They run at a club probably because they don't have a layout at home, but they are probably reluctant to risk running their expensive passenger train at a club over and over where they may be worried about theft or damage and so don't leave it there or run it repeatedly. Heck, I ran some of my trains at a modular club, but since they usually run at public events where often there are un supervised children, I soon saw the risk of damage to my trains as very real. In fact many of the people who regularly run their trains only bring cheaper trains to run there because they won't be heart broken if their Athearn blue box low cost stuff is damaged or destroyed. Might be that is what goes through the heads of those club members who buy complete passenger trains but hardly ever run them at the club? Dunno - every club is different. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 23, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -8
Jim,
I don't disagree at all. My point, poorly made, was that passenger operations don't have to be identical "unit trains" running from end to end of the layout. Passenger ops can be just as interesting and challenging as any local freight, considering that the order of the train is crucial and you're not just grabbing any old Pullman, you have to use certain specific cars only per train.
At our club, we have pretty good security with cameras covering most of the layout and building. If someone walks off with someone else's stuff, we can find out who did it pretty quickly. Damage, I think, is pretty much a non-issue. Not saying that it never happens as there are always the fumble fingered amongst us, but for the most part damage is pretty rare. Our most common damage is stirrup steps, metal grids/walkways (which usually pop off all by themselves), and side ladders. Passenger car damage is very rare just due to the nature of them. For example, a Rapido Osgood Bradley coach rolled off a 150' tall viaduct at our club and had no damage. An Intermountain boxcar...well, you might lose a grab or a ladder doing that.
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Post by autocoach on Aug 25, 2017 9:55:57 GMT -8
Waiting for the southbound #11 yesterday morning at Oakland Jack London Square station, I noticed an Amtrak California cabbage used on the head end of a San Joaquin bound for the valley. F59PH on the other end. Previously I have noticed cabbages on one end of San Luis Obispo-LA Surfliners.
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Post by pboilermaker on Aug 29, 2017 19:56:41 GMT -8
Is the "Veterans" Cabbage a feasible future release, or is that not going to be possible?
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Post by catcliffedemon on Aug 30, 2017 4:45:29 GMT -8
Is the "Veterans" Cabbage a feasible future release, or is that not going to be possible? We're not ruling it out for the future but the two Veterans units are unique having been rebuilt with smooth sides for the big decals. That means we'd have to make a brand new body just for this scheme. There are other obstacles as well that make this a tricky project. -Rapido Gareth |
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Post by John Sheridan on Aug 30, 2017 6:31:33 GMT -8
I know several people in my club that own complete name train sets from Walthers and Rapido but rarely run them. In fact, now that I think of it, every Walthers name train that has been released has been purchased by at least one club member. The usual way it works is a club member collects all the pieces of their train, and when complete, brings it to the club and runs it for one show, open house, or operations session. Then it goes back in the box and never returns. There are some exceptions (one guy has left his B&O name train on the layout since it came out), but generally speaking, the name trains are "one and done" at our club. I know you are not talking about me sir!  I have 8 complete named trainsets & have run them numerous times at the club. Typically I run them at shows/open house. The main reason, as you know, it that I like to run complete trainsets which have a nasty habit of taking-up the longest yard leads in the club. Let's see I have currently in operation... Walthers Super Chief 1947 (14 cars) Walthers City of Los Angeles 1949 (15 cars) Walthers Broadway Limited 1953 (18 cars) Walthers 20th Century Limited 1952 (20 cars) BLI CB&Q California Zephyr 1954 (12 cars) BLI Amtrak California Zephyr 1976 (10 cars) Rapido Ontario Northland Northlander 1984 (8 cars) Rapido D&H Laurentain 1976 (8 cars) Trainsets in the works (not completed yet): NYC New England States 1950 (12 cars) PRR Senator 1952 (12 cars) New Haven Merchants Limited 1954 (waiting for those NH Parlors!) B&M Montrealer 1949 (baggage under construction) Not to mention numerous New Haven, B&M, NYC, & Pennsy Passenger cars. I guess I have a thing for passenger cars don't I ? John Sheridan |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 30, 2017 7:45:25 GMT -8
John, About you? Perish the thought! But actually...sorta. You've never brought in either the CZ or the D&H trains to run. The ONT, UP, PRR and NYC have been to the club and run exactly once that I can recall (they did stay for two or three shows/ops each). Your ATSF is the one set that I've seen more than once at the club, mainly because I can recall it being powered by F-units (unplated), E-units (plated), and then steam for "All Steam" night. You are far from alone, tho'. The other Super Chief & Empire Builder has been to the club once per owner. Of the three Canadian sets in the club, only one has been at the club more than once. The Hiawatha set, once. It's kind of a pattern. BTW, now that I think about it, does anyone in the club have the El Capitan set? P.S. Don't forget you're also working on the Yankee Clipper, or at least you better be. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 30, 2017 8:19:56 GMT -8
So what's that train? Between (IIRC) 1971 and 1983 there was no California Zephyr; in it's place and running across a different route for 2 of the 3 roads was the San Francisco Zephyr, which was made up of a mish mash of heritage passenger cars from the UP, NP, CZ and others. I road it in 1976 pulled by the SDP40F which is not in Athearn's first run so I'm waiting for a future run with SFZ consistent road numbers and ice breakers.
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Post by John Sheridan on Aug 30, 2017 8:31:02 GMT -8
So what's that train? Between (IIRC) 1971 and 1983 there was no California Zephyr; in it's place and running across a different route for 2 of the 3 roads was the San Francisco Zephyr, which was made up of a mish mash of heritage passenger cars from the UP, NP, CZ and others. I road it in 1976 pulled by the SDP40F which is not in Athearn's first run so I'm waiting for a future run with SFZ consistent road numbers and ice breakers. I think I made it from a consist from the Denver Zephyr & one of the other Zephyrs that operated at the time - mostly all Budd cars in Amtrak paint with a 1 or 2 UP cars in it for color. I'd have to go look at my notes but in those early days, I could put just about any roadname car behind it & it would have worked. For Power, I used a BLI Amtrak E8A-B set as the did not have any of the old Athearn SDP40F built at the time. I do have 2 SDP40Fs on pre-order to replace the power. |
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Post by John Sheridan on Aug 30, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -8
John, About you? Perish the thought! But actually...sorta. You've never brought in either the CZ or the D&H trains to run. The ONT, UP, PRR and NYC have been to the club and run exactly once that I can recall (they did stay for two or three shows/ops each). Your ATSF is the one set that I've seen more than once at the club, mainly because I can recall it being powered by F-units (unplated), E-units (plated), and then steam for "All Steam" night. I ran the CZ cars in 2 shows each in 2015 & 2016. I used the plated CB&Q E8s for power. I've run the PRR Broadway several times (once with a pair of PRR T1s) & the 20th Century numerous times when I first got it. Same goes for the ONR set. The D&H set I only ran once as I didn't have the dome car on the tail at the time. I did run the Amtrak Zephyr & leave it in Cedar Hill for awhile in 2015. Last year I left the Amtube sets long enough that you used them in operations. The Super Chief stayed on the layout for quite a while. I only pulled it after Al Munn complained the 3rd B unit wasn't working remember ? Yeah, it works when you actually consist it with the other 2 units instead of dragging its dead hulk around the layout which he did do with wild abandon. Typically, I will bring 2 passenger sets to shows. I run one on Saturday & the other on Sunday. Fred frowns on it when I leave one of the big sets in the yard as it eats-up way too much room which is why you haven't seen the 20th Century / Broadway Limited lately. I did bring the D&H Lauentain last spring (haven't run that in years) but I never got around to running it. Not that I am aware of. I know Jeromy bought 2 ATSF E1s from me for a ATSF consist but I don't know which one. Huh ? What ? Yeah but I need to work on a certain grill/diner set of cars before I start back down that road. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 30, 2017 8:57:42 GMT -8
I think I made it from a consist from the Denver Zephyr & one of the other Zephyrs that operated at the time - mostly all Budd cars in Amtrak paint with a 1 or 2 UP cars in it for color. I'd have to go look at my notes but in those early days, I could put just about any roadname car behind it & it would have worked. BLI ran Denver Zephyr cars? I must have missed that but I haven't carefully watched BLI's offerings. I am interested in modeling the SFZ because I road it, and I'll be looking to add a mix of BLI ex CZ cars (maybe 2 or 3) and ex UP and ex NP cars, and see what else fits. It was a real mishmash but I'm going to try to make it reasonably prototypical and what, with all the name train sets that have been produced in the past 10+ years, it should be possible to cobble together a decent train. |
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Post by John Sheridan on Aug 30, 2017 9:10:57 GMT -8
I think I made it from a consist from the Denver Zephyr & one of the other Zephyrs that operated at the time - mostly all Budd cars in Amtrak paint with a 1 or 2 UP cars in it for color. I'd have to go look at my notes but in those early days, I could put just about any roadname car behind it & it would have worked. BLI ran Denver Zephyr cars? I must have missed that but I haven't carefully watched BLI's offerings. I am interested in modeling the SFZ because I road it, and I'll be looking to add a mix of BLI ex CZ cars (maybe 2 or 3) and ex UP and ex NP cars, and see what else fits. It was a real mishmash but I'm going to try to make it reasonably prototypical and what, with all the name train sets that have been produced in the past 10+ years, it should be possible to cobble together a decent train. About 2 years ago, they took all their CZ cars & painted them with Amtrak Phase 1 paint (http://www.broadway-limited.com/amtrakpassengercars.aspx). I used these cars plus a few mongel cars to make the consist. Likely it was about 80% correct enough to get some use out of the cars. Like I said, since it is 1970s Amtrak, I could have tossed just about any western roadname car/type in the consist & it would have liklely have worked. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 30, 2017 9:49:28 GMT -8
Yes, I remember the CZ cars repainted. I need to hunt down a couple in pointless arrow eventually when I can clear a space in the budget. It's a photo study to try to identify many of the passenger cars typical of the SFZ in the mid-1970's and there are many who are much better at it than I am!
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