The end of 10+ year friendship

[gevohogger]

Jan 10, 2018 5:31:14 GMT -8 @bgb said:

Liar's lie. It is what defines who they are.



Dishonesty can destroy a friendship quickly. Theft will outright kill it. Theft does not have to be a tangible object. It can be intangible such as your reputation or credit among your peers. There comes a time in your life when you just cannot sit idly by and allow yourself to be attacked. You have to stand and defend yourself. It does not have to be a nuclear counter strike with malice or ill will. But you MUST set things straight.



It came to my attention yesterday from two VERY reliable and respectable people that there is a modeler in our community (model trains), many of you know him and others know of him, that is laying the claim that "I taught Brian everything he knows". He is actually telling people that he is the reason I build models the way I do. From my sources, he is not being jocular about this either. He is stating this with serious intent.



This statement from him is an outright lie!



He is attempting to reduce all my efforts over the many years to amount to absolutely nothing. He is doing his best to steal away from me my reputation, credit among my peers and the skill sets I alone developed. Long before I met this person I was on my way to developing my modeling skills. Already using many that I still use today. I am still honing them, but definitely no thanks to him. It is thanks to the commitment to my passion of model building.



Whatever his reasons are, possibly to make himself feel more self important, I consider this claim to be dishonest and despicable and not worthy of my friendship.

Brian

Can you name the guy?  Or give us some hints?

It would be interesting to get his side of the story.  Because, you know, you don't always come across as the most thick-skinned person on the forum.  Its probably much ado about nothing.

[Christian]

I've watched Brian as he modeled over many years. When I think "Brian" I picture someone who is deeply into the science of model building. Most of the projects I've seen or read about are Brian doing something in a new way. Certainly better observation of the prototype than I. Sure, he can be sharp-tongued at times - aren't we all? BUT, I've rarely seen someone go so far out of his way to advise and help other model builders.

I have no knowledge of what this kerfuffle is all about. No names. Nor any insight. Brian has nothing to prove. Yeah, sabotage can make a fellow very angry and sparks fly everywhere. I got sabotaged out of a job. The sparks that I threw off made me feel a lot better. And, soon, uncovered the truth. Good friends can cause a lot of hurt. No, I don't think this belongs on this forum. But when a fellow is hurting it's just going to happen.

[ambluco]

It sounds like you've lost more friends than that. If any of those people don't stand up and correct the issue with the person, what kind of friend is that?

[fr8kar]

Remember this? I do.

web.archive.org/web/20150321090423/http://www.6axlepwr.com:80/

If someone claimed to have taught Brian everything he knows, I'd have to suspect that not only was I dreaming, but that the person saying it was Brian's dad, and that he was saying it with pride and without a hint of ego. Anyone else who would claim to have taught him everything he knows is pretty much full of it. The same thing goes for a lot of us.

[grahamline]

I can pretty well guess who might have claimed that, and all I can say is that there are a lot of large egos and big talkers in the hobby.

[Deleted]

I'm very sorry to read of this situation. I have absolutely no idea who is or might be involved, and I totally, completely understand the "damage to reputation" that may have been incurred. There have been a long line of "interesting" (for lack of a better or much less polite term) characters on both this and the original Atlas forum.

Let me just close with this little thought: there is a reason I never ever sign my name anymore in online posts. And I have strived really really hard to keep my posts concise, truthful, and as factual as possible, so as not to ruffle too many feathers...though certainly I have still ruffled my share, more than I would like to have...

Here's hoping tomorrow is a better day for all who read this!

[loco8107]

Jan 18, 2018 14:37:40 GMT -8 grahamline said:

I can pretty well guess who might have claimed that, and all I can say is that there are a lot of large egos and big talkers in the hobby.

And it’s even worse in the railfan world. Sad to say. Is it any wonder good young folks don’t get into the hobby or stay in it? Too many of those types.

[Brakie]

Jan 23, 2018 7:38:59 GMT -8 loco8107 said:

Jan 18, 2018 14:37:40 GMT -8 grahamline said:

I can pretty well guess who might have claimed that, and all I can say is that there are a lot of large egos and big talkers in the hobby.

And it’s even worse in the railfan world. Sad to say. Is it any wonder good young folks don’t get into the hobby or stay in it? Too many of those types.

True enough..Last summer while railfaning a lease SD45 came through and us old rails called it by name SD45 and slob just couldn't wait to correct us calling a SD40(some such thing) blah,blah,blah.

I ask you see those engines when they was new?

He answered: No,I'm not that old.

I said Those engines was massive and earn their name and the body still stouts out I'm a SD45.

[upcsx]

Larry down here we call them long necks.

[loco8107]

I’m just glad the model RR groups like this one are civil most of the time. The railfan groups are awful. The worst in people like I never could imagine in a hobby world.

[NS4122]

Ain't that the truth...

Jan 10, 2018 6:11:03 GMT -8 gevohogger said:

Because, you know, you don't always come across as the most thick-skinned person on the forum.

[Deleted]

As a long time observer of these forums, it seems fair to say that things now on this forum are about as civil and respectful as at any previous time.