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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 9:28:53 GMT -8
I get it. I completely understand the dealer's viewpoint in the op.
This is just another reason for me NOT to buy ST products.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 21, 2020 9:36:10 GMT -8
So do you also not buy Tangent (duplicated PS 4750 - Intermountain, PS4740 - Athearn, PS4427 P2K, GATC 4180 - Walthers), Atlas (ACF 4650 - Intermountain (or vice versa as I don't know who produced it first)), Bowser or Intermountain (ACF 1958), Kadee or Intermountain (PS-1), etc. etc.? I get it. I completely understand the dealer's viewpoint in the op. This is just another reason for me NOT to buy ST products. Jack |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 21, 2020 11:56:44 GMT -8
You need wide radius curves and longer sidings to operate auto rack trains so sales of both models could be limited by an individual modeler due to cost and room available but...as a whole...these will be gone in no time.
Good news for Atlas and Scale Trains.
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Post by brakie on Jan 21, 2020 13:41:16 GMT -8
While I have no bone in this discussion I will chip in and say I would buy Atlas and the ST 'racks..
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Simply because I would support both companies since they offer top line models.
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Post by luebeck3102 on Jan 21, 2020 14:57:30 GMT -8
I pre-ordered 4 Atlas versions and 8 ScaleTrains versions. I will eventually do a comparison similar to the one I did when ST and Intermountain did the Tier 4s. Regardless. I'm still supporting both manufacturers.
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Post by ncrc5315 on Jan 21, 2020 16:21:33 GMT -8
Here is what I don't understand. I have a fair amount of Scale Trains products. I intend to purchase more Scale Trains products. Everything I have purchased, has been purchased from one of three local hobby shops. I will continue to purchase Scale Trains products from these three local hobby shops. When I have inquired about Scale Trains from these hobby shops, I'm always told there is no problem getting what I want. So where does this idea that Scale Trains doesn't deal with brick and mortar hobby shops come from?
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Post by riogrande on Jan 21, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -8
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Post by bdhicks on Jan 21, 2020 17:18:56 GMT -8
There is no secret cabal of modern modelers who tell manufacturers what to do, and besides we've been focusing all of our effort on getting articulated MSW spine cars made. We were just as surprised as anyone when the multi-maxes were announced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:23:34 GMT -8
There is no secret cabal of modern modelers who tell manufacturers what to do, and besides we've been focusing all of our effort on getting articulated MSW spine cars made. We were just as surprised as anyone when the multi-maxes were announced. Wait...we were? So we don’t want Trinity 5204 covered hoppers? |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 21, 2020 19:43:10 GMT -8
When all of your local hobby shops closed (even though I did my best to support all of them) you have no choice but on-line purchasing...and Scale Trains, ExactRail and Tangent make the ordering process as easy as possible...plus free shipping on quantities. |
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 22, 2020 7:51:26 GMT -8
Apparently it's a well kept secret... What hobby shop / online retailer do you own or manage? |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 22, 2020 8:18:27 GMT -8
Apparently it's a well kept secret... What hobby shop / online retailer do you own or manage? I'd guess it's somewhere in central NY (upstate NY). |
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 22, 2020 8:42:40 GMT -8
Posts deleted again. I’m getting a real gut full of it lately.
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Post by peoriaman on Jan 22, 2020 8:49:16 GMT -8
There is no secret cabal of modern modelers who tell manufacturers what to do... Maybe we need to form one. But let's substitute "70s-era" instead of "modern". Who's on board with me? |
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Post by carrman on Jan 22, 2020 9:35:12 GMT -8
Posts deleted again. I’m getting a real gut full of it lately. This is BS. |
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Post by PennCentral on Jan 22, 2020 9:52:45 GMT -8
There are a number of manufacturers and distributors that have minimum requirements that must be met in order to buy from them as a 'dealer'. It's the manufacturers/distributors right to enforce whatever rules they feel necessary to weed out the 'train show guys', the 'basement bombers', and other individuals that are simply trying to save a lot of money by posing as a 'dealer'. Here's a few of requirements that some or all manufacturers and distributors have to be considered a 'dealer': - an actual physical storefront that is consistently open to the public - a business license/permit/registration from the state/county/town your store is located in and a tax id - a minimum order requirement. May be per order or a combination of per order and annual. I believe Walthers used to have a $150 minimum that went up to $250 a couple of years ago - in years past, an add in the Yellow Pages and/or a listing in Model Railroader or RMC If any of these requirements seem overly onerous, then there's a very good chance you are not an actual STORE. The manufacturers and what few distributors are left in 2020 recognize that owning/operating an actual store entails a fairly substantial overhead. The guys operating out of their garage/basement don't have these associated expenses. Not your problem you say? It's just good old fashioned capitalism at work. Fair enough. In the eyes of Walthers, Scale Trains, Rapido and a good deal of other companies, the garage/basement guys are just skimming the cream without investing in the cost of the cow so to speak. What incentive do they have to support YOU? A guy with very little skin the game. In the case of Scale Trains, you have a group of industry veterans that have seen the decline of brick and mortars and the changing role of distributors from a valuable middleman that invested in inventory to simply a pass-through profit skimmer and they made the decision to cut out the distributor entirely and deal direct with their customers and a selection of brick and mortars that could meet their minimum requirements to be considered a dealer. Yes I HAVE worked in a hobby shop. Yes I HAVE done train shows representing an actual brick and mortar store AND as a private individual selling my own surplus. I still continue to go to every train show I can get to in a 100 or so mile radius as a hobbyist. I've been on both sides of the table. Just in case anyone is interested, this link below will show you all of the Scale Trains Select Retailers. I just did a rough count and found 45 different stores. I suppose instead of wasting your energy whining on a forum, maybe you could step up YOUR game. Grow your business to the point where you do meet the requirements to become a Scale Trains Select Retailer and finally get your share of the pie you feel you deserve. www.scaletrains.com/select-retailer/A little personal postscript: I miss GOOD train shops. While I'm not 'old', I am in my mid-40's now. I've had model trains for close to 40 years and have considered myself a 'model railroader' for 34 years now. I do fondly remember the local train shops I frequented as a kid; The Depot in Ballston Spa, NY and The Model Railway Station in Scotia. The Depot has been gone for 25 or more years. The Model Railway Station in Scotia has also been gone for well over a decade, maybe almost 2 decades now. I moved away from NY about 28 years ago so I've lost touch with the region. The owners of both these shops were very kind to me and encouraging of a train obsessed kid. In the greater Capital District region, I'd also make occasional visits to Mohawk Valley Railroad in Schenectady and there were also a handful of garage/basement stores in the region. I think one was Adirondack Hobbies in Niskayuna. That gentleman catered more to the advanced modeler with his basement store and was far out of my skills as a 12-yo. There was also a small garage based shop near South Glens Falls that was only open in the evenings. I can't recall the name of the shop or it's owner but back then, he was about the only source of custom painted D&H models, all done on Athearn BB kits, that was available to me as kid. Later, through the 1990's and into the early 2000's, I traveled extensively for work and vacation and visited many, many hobby shops, train only shops, and some of those little basement/garage part shops when I could find them from coast to coast. I miss those days. I miss the social aspects of hanging out at the train shop. I miss the treasure hunt aspect of finding a big fancy train shop or a hole in the wall shop when I travel to a new town. On the flip side, the changes in the hobby and the industry are providing us with the most accurate mass produced models to date. I no longer have a Bev-Bel or CM Shops Athearn 4740 painted up as a D&H 4750. I have a fleet of accurate 1974 built 4750's from Tangent. Instead of a plug door Athearn BB painted for a D&H 281xx series ex-EL RBL, I have a hyper-accurate General American Sill type 1 50' RBL from Moloco. The Golden Age of the Train Shop has passed but the Golden Age of Model Railroading.....it's here and it's incredible. Jason C Indiana |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 22, 2020 10:27:37 GMT -8
There are a number of manufacturers and distributors that have minimum requirements that must be met in order to buy from them as a 'dealer'. It's the manufacturers/distributors right to enforce whatever rules they feel necessary to weed out the 'train show guys', the 'basement bombers', and other individuals that are simply trying to save a lot of money by posing as a 'dealer'. Here's a few of requirements that some or all manufacturers and distributors have to be considered a 'dealer': - an actual physical storefront that is consistently open to the public With online vendors becoming more the norm, and the need to keep costs down, such as having a physical brick and mortar shop, that requirement will become more and more difficult to maintain. With online sales taking over brick and mortar, that requirement for being a authorized vendor may have to go the way of the dodo eventually. There will have to be some other proof of being a "legitimate dealer", as the number of brick and mortar stores diminishes. That one must have been dropped some time ago; it's been a long time since I have let my fingers do the walking on the yellow pages. I did some work in the NY capitol region and recall visiting a couple of shows in the Schenectady area. One was full of cigar smoke IIRC. I'm pretty sure I visited Mohawk Valley as well. I agree, we have a golden age with what we have access to now. OTOH, I wasn't really fortunate enough to have a "golden age" hobby shop but know many have. |
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Post by PennCentral on Jan 22, 2020 10:43:21 GMT -8
Jim,
That cigar smoke filled shop was The Model Railway Station in Scotia. Glen was the resident curmudgeon. I miss that shop. Maybe not the smoke but visiting with Glen.
I don't disagree that online sales are going to be the future. I still contend however if you ONLY do online sales (or train shows), then you are providing little benefit to in this case, Scale Trains. They designed their business model around a primarily direct sale system. So if ST can sell through all their stock at their full MSRP, why do they need to sell part of that stock to a dealer at a discount? They're competing against themselves. Currently, they have some of the best pricing compared to the other big companies that still are still utilizing the older discount structure. Scale Trains is already the future of new product sales in many ways. As is Tangent and Moloco. ST still does sell to dealers that do most of their business online. TrainLife and Spring Creek Model Trains I believe fall into that category.
The yellow pages/magazine listing is an old requirement that's no longer around. 20 years ago, it was still a thing. I don't know about you, but in the 80's/90's and even into the first few years of the 2000's, the retailer listing section of the magazines and the yellow pages were about the only way to find out about shops when you traveled. We take the Internet for granted now but it really wasn't all that long ago that we didn't have all this info on our smart phones.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 22, 2020 10:50:45 GMT -8
Jim, That cigar smoke filled shop was The Model Railway Station in Scotia. Glen was the resident curmudgeon. I miss that shop. Maybe not the smoke but visiting with Glen. I don't disagree that online sales are going to be the future. I still contend however if you ONLY do online sales (or train shows), then you are providing little benefit to in this case, Scale Trains. They designed their business model around a primarily direct sale system. So if ST can sell through all their stock at their full MSRP, why do they need to sell part of that stock to a dealer at a discount? They're competing against themselves. Currently, they have some of the best pricing compared to the other big companies that still are still utilizing the older discount structure. Scale Trains is already the future of new product sales in many ways. As is Tangent and Moloco. ST still does sell to dealers that do most of their business online. TrainLife and Spring Creek Model Trains I believe fall into that category. The yellow pages/magazine listing is an old requirement that's no longer around. 20 years ago, it was still a thing. I don't know about you, but in the 80's/90's and even into the first few years of the 2000's, the retailer listing section of the magazines and the yellow pages were about the only way to find out about shops when you traveled. We take the Internet for granted now but it really wasn't all that long ago that we didn't have all this info on our smart phones. Jason C Indiana I'd take a copy of MR on vacation. My father and I would find a shop listed in the area and visit it. Now it's a google maps search when I'm in a new area, sadly "Hobby Lobby" pops up a bunch. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 22, 2020 10:56:18 GMT -8
Yes, I agree re: ScaleTrains. Other than one car I bought at a show, all my ScaleTrains purchases have been direct. Might as well if the price is the same with them vs. a shop.
I've done quite a bit of busineess with Spring Creek but it's all be via email. They haven't really had a functional online webstore that I've seen with a real-time inventory. I tend to consider them as a brick and mortar store than I contact via email and place orders. Their service, btw, has always been very good.
I used to travel quite a bit for work, and used yellow pages "back in the day" but I really can't remember the last time I used the yellow pages. Probably 15 to 20 years. I might have used the listings in the back of Model Railroader back in the day too, but not much.
I've only gone into two Hobby Lobbys. The one in Richmond VA did have a few model trains but not much. The local one I drive by on my commute home, however, has no trains. It looked just like an AC Moore, or Michael's.
I remember visiting that shop in Scotia around 1998. He had an MDC Railgon gondola. I recognized the kit should have had a price a couple dollars lower due to when it was produced, but he had "normalized" the price to reflect MDC newer model pricing. It seemed sort shady that he had take an older MDC car and upped the price. I left it on the shelf.
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Post by carrman on Jan 22, 2020 11:04:13 GMT -8
There are a number of manufacturers and distributors that have minimum requirements that must be met in order to buy from them as a 'dealer'. It's the manufacturers/distributors right to enforce whatever rules they feel necessary to weed out the 'train show guys', the 'basement bombers', and other individuals that are simply trying to save a lot of money by posing as a 'dealer'. Here's a few of requirements that some or all manufacturers and distributors have to be considered a 'dealer': - an actual physical storefront that is consistently open to the public - a business license/permit/registration from the state/county/town your store is located in and a tax id - a minimum order requirement. May be per order or a combination of per order and annual. I believe Walthers used to have a $150 minimum that went up to $250 a couple of years ago - in years past, an add in the Yellow Pages and/or a listing in Model Railroader or RMC If any of these requirements seem overly onerous, then there's a very good chance you are not an actual STORE. Indiana My local (165 miles away) shop is very much a real shop, and they found ST's terms too onerous. That's fine, I'll just get it direct then. I find your comment to be BS. Dave |
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Post by TBird1958 on Jan 22, 2020 11:12:53 GMT -8
There are a number of manufacturers and distributors that have minimum requirements that must be met in order to buy from them as a 'dealer'. It's the manufacturers/distributors right to enforce whatever rules they feel necessary to weed out the 'train show guys', the 'basement bombers', and other individuals that are simply trying to save a lot of money by posing as a 'dealer'. Here's a few of requirements that some or all manufacturers and distributors have to be considered a 'dealer': - an actual physical storefront that is consistently open to the public - a business license/permit/registration from the state/county/town your store is located in and a tax id - a minimum order requirement. May be per order or a combination of per order and annual. I believe Walthers used to have a $150 minimum that went up to $250 a couple of years ago - in years past, an add in the Yellow Pages and/or a listing in Model Railroader or RMC If any of these requirements seem overly onerous, then there's a very good chance you are not an actual STORE. The manufacturers and what few distributors are left in 2020 recognize that owning/operating an actual store entails a fairly substantial overhead. The guys operating out of their garage/basement don't have these associated expenses. Not your problem you say? It's just good old fashioned capitalism at work. Fair enough. In the eyes of Walthers, Scale Trains, Rapido and a good deal of other companies, the garage/basement guys are just skimming the cream without investing in the cost of the cow so to speak. What incentive do they have to support YOU? A guy with very little skin the game. In the case of Scale Trains, you have a group of industry veterans that have seen the decline of brick and mortars and the changing role of distributors from a valuable middleman that invested in inventory to simply a pass-through profit skimmer and they made the decision to cut out the distributor entirely and deal direct with their customers and a selection of brick and mortars that could meet their minimum requirements to be considered a dealer. Yes I HAVE worked in a hobby shop. Yes I HAVE done train shows representing an actual brick and mortar store AND as a private individual selling my own surplus. I still continue to go to every train show I can get to in a 100 or so mile radius as a hobbyist. I've been on both sides of the table. Just in case anyone is interested, this link below will show you all of the Scale Trains Select Retailers. I just did a rough count and found 45 different stores. I suppose instead of wasting your energy whining on a forum, maybe you could step up YOUR game. Grow your business to the point where you do meet the requirements to become a Scale Trains Select Retailer and finally get your share of the pie you feel you deserve. www.scaletrains.com/select-retailer/A little personal postscript: I miss GOOD train shops. While I'm not 'old', I am in my mid-40's now. I've had model trains for close to 40 years and have considered myself a 'model railroader' for 34 years now. I do fondly remember the local train shops I frequented as a kid; The Depot in Ballston Spa, NY and The Model Railway Station in Scotia. The Depot has been gone for 25 or more years. The Model Railway Station in Scotia has also been gone for well over a decade, maybe almost 2 decades now. I moved away from NY about 28 years ago so I've lost touch with the region. The owners of both these shops were very kind to me and encouraging of a train obsessed kid. In the greater Capital District region, I'd also make occasional visits to Mohawk Valley Railroad in Schenectady and there were also a handful of garage/basement stores in the region. I think one was Adirondack Hobbies in Niskayuna. That gentleman catered more to the advanced modeler with his basement store and was far out of my skills as a 12-yo. There was also a small garage based shop near South Glens Falls that was only open in the evenings. I can't recall the name of the shop or it's owner but back then, he was about the only source of custom painted D&H models, all done on Athearn BB kits, that was available to me as kid. Later, through the 1990's and into the early 2000's, I traveled extensively for work and vacation and visited many, many hobby shops, train only shops, and some of those little basement/garage part shops when I could find them from coast to coast. I miss those days. I miss the social aspects of hanging out at the train shop. I miss the treasure hunt aspect of finding a big fancy train shop or a hole in the wall shop when I travel to a new town. On the flip side, the changes in the hobby and the industry are providing us with the most accurate mass produced models to date. I no longer have a Bev-Bel or CM Shops Athearn 4740 painted up as a D&H 4750. I have a fleet of accurate 1974 built 4750's from Tangent. Instead of a plug door Athearn BB painted for a D&H 281xx series ex-EL RBL, I have a hyper-accurate General American Sill type 1 50' RBL from Moloco. The Golden Age of the Train Shop has passed but the Golden Age of Model Railroading.....it's here and it's incredible. Jason C Indiana
Well said, and spot on. I too have spent time on the retailer side of the hobby counter all through the '90s for a Seattle area shop that advertised nationally - It's a tough business with picky customers!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 11:44:20 GMT -8
Yes, I agree re: ScaleTrains. Other than one car I bought at a show, all my ScaleTrains purchases have been direct. Might as well if the price is the same with them vs. a shop. I've done quite a bit of busineess with Spring Creek but it's all be via email. They haven't really had a functional online webstore that I've seen with a real-time inventory. I tend to consider them as a brick and mortar store than I contact via email and place orders. Their service, btw, has always been very good. The new Spring Creek Model Trains website allows you to purchase items directly through the site. Unfortunately, it is a new system and if you’ve ever seen the inventory in the shop you’ll understand how much time it is going to take to get items added into the website inventory. Not to mention the need for photographs of all the items so there is no question as to what you are buying. The sales have increased astronomically as a result including ScaleTrains products. As you said it’s more difficult to find brick & mortar stores throughout the country. My closest “LHS” is Caboose and it’s 3+ hrs away, the next closest is Spring Creek at just under 6 hrs. So for me I live off train shows and the internet stores for my models. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 22, 2020 12:09:09 GMT -8
The new Spring Creek Model Trains website allows you to purchase items directly through the site. Unfortunately, it is a new system and if you’ve ever seen the inventory in the shop you’ll understand how much time it is going to take to get items added into the website inventory. Not to mention the need for photographs of all the items so there is no question as to what you are buying. The sales have increased astronomically as a result including ScaleTrains products. That's new. I've been working with them for some years now and stopped going to the website as it was not all that useful. In a way, it kind of sucks they are doing a live inventory as I often could find stuff with them that was sold out at other vendors. Probably they will sell out of those harder to find items and be like any other shop, but it will be good for them if they sell more stuff of course. When Caboose opened to replace Caboose Hobbies, I did try to find some items using their website but either they didn't have what I was looking for or the prices appeared to be MRSP. I'm not really how long-term they are going to be. |
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Post by peoriaman on Jan 22, 2020 12:31:21 GMT -8
The new Spring Creek Model Trains website allows you to purchase items directly through the site. Unfortunately, it is a new system and if you’ve ever seen the inventory in the shop you’ll understand how much time it is going to take to get items added into the website inventory. Not to mention the need for photographs of all the items so there is no question as to what you are buying. Sounds like the Des Plaines Hobbies website. A million items listed, but few if any pictures. No brand names either, based on a quick check I did just now. I think it takes a certain familiarity with each manufacturer's product line to make much sense of it (would it kill them to put "Athearn" or Intermountain" or "Moloco" etc for each item?). But they do sell a lot via the internet so maybe it works for them. Here in Peoria, Mike's Scale Rails is closing next month so I will lose my local shop. Next best alternative is trekking up to Chicago... |
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 22, 2020 13:47:05 GMT -8
The smoke was a bit much, but I do miss the Model Railway Station. His prices were pretty good, usually 20% off list. Mohawk Valley is still around under different ownership and is currently a Scale Trains dealer. A little personal postscript: I miss GOOD train shops. While I'm not 'old', I am in my mid-40's now. I've had model trains for close to 40 years and have considered myself a 'model railroader' for 34 years now. I do fondly remember the local train shops I frequented as a kid; The Depot in Ballston Spa, NY and The Model Railway Station in Scotia. The Depot has been gone for 25 or more years. The Model Railway Station in Scotia has also been gone for well over a decade, maybe almost 2 decades now. I moved away from NY about 28 years ago so I've lost touch with the region. The owners of both these shops were very kind to me and encouraging of a train obsessed kid. In the greater Capital District region, I'd also make occasional visits to Mohawk Valley Railroad in Schenectady and there were also a handful of garage/basement stores in the region. I think one was Adirondack Hobbies in Niskayuna. That gentleman catered more to the advanced modeler with his basement store and was far out of my skills as a 12-yo. There was also a small garage based shop near South Glens Falls that was only open in the evenings. I can't recall the name of the shop or it's owner but back then, he was about the only source of custom painted D&H models, all done on Athearn BB kits, that was available to me as kid. Later, through the 1990's and into the early 2000's, I traveled extensively for work and vacation and visited many, many hobby shops, train only shops, and some of those little basement/garage part shops when I could find them from coast to coast. I miss those days. I miss the social aspects of hanging out at the train shop. I miss the treasure hunt aspect of finding a big fancy train shop or a hole in the wall shop when I travel to a new town. On the flip side, the changes in the hobby and the industry are providing us with the most accurate mass produced models to date. I no longer have a Bev-Bel or CM Shops Athearn 4740 painted up as a D&H 4750. I have a fleet of accurate 1974 built 4750's from Tangent. Instead of a plug door Athearn BB painted for a D&H 281xx series ex-EL RBL, I have a hyper-accurate General American Sill type 1 50' RBL from Moloco. The Golden Age of the Train Shop has passed but the Golden Age of Model Railroading.....it's here and it's incredible. Jason C Indiana |
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 22, 2020 14:15:35 GMT -8
The new Spring Creek Model Trains website allows you to purchase items directly through the site. Unfortunately, it is a new system and if you’ve ever seen the inventory in the shop you’ll understand how much time it is going to take to get items added into the website inventory. Not to mention the need for photographs of all the items so there is no question as to what you are buying. Sounds like the Des Plaines Hobbies website. A million items listed, but few if any pictures. No brand names either, based on a quick check I did just now. I think it takes a certain familiarity with each manufacturer's product line to make much sense of it (would it kill them to put "Athearn" or Intermountain" or "Moloco" etc for each item?). But they do sell a lot via the internet so maybe it works for them. I'm hoping Des Plaines updates their website, but if you know what you are looking for use the manufacturer drop down. I'm sure updating would be a daunting task.  |
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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 22, 2020 16:47:12 GMT -8
I preorder the Atlas cars before Scale Trains announced theirs. I don't know how many cars like this I really need. Not going to cancel my order. Will probably buy both offerings.
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Post by peoriaman on Jan 22, 2020 16:51:54 GMT -8
Sounds like the Des Plaines Hobbies website. A million items listed, but few if any pictures. No brand names either, based on a quick check I did just now. I think it takes a certain familiarity with each manufacturer's product line to make much sense of it (would it kill them to put "Athearn" or Intermountain" or "Moloco" etc for each item?). But they do sell a lot via the internet so maybe it works for them. I'm hoping Des Plaines updates their website, but if you know what you are looking for use the manufacturer drop down. I'm sure updating would be a daunting task. True, and they also have a couple of ways to sort of filter your search, but its a cumbersome system if you just want to randomly look around. |
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Post by ac4400 on Feb 25, 2020 8:49:44 GMT -8
I've already preordered a bunch of Multi-maxes from Scaletrains, I think they are gonna be wonderfull.
But after seeing the following movie, I think I'm gonna buy some from Atlas too !
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