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Post by fr8kar on Apr 21, 2020 12:51:03 GMT -8
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Post by sd50f on Apr 21, 2020 14:41:05 GMT -8
Very nice looking cars. I love the chains and tie downs. They look perfect for the job and the car isn't right without them.
Timothy Dineen
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 21, 2020 15:55:53 GMT -8
Thanks, Timothy. I agree about the chains. These cars have been bare without them, so it's nice to figure out a method to install them. The next two combine loads should go pretty quick, but I've not yet figured out how I'll proceed with the harvester heads.
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Post by brakie on Apr 21, 2020 16:48:53 GMT -8
Super nice loads.. Where I live John Deere rules the farm equipment. I'm not a farmer nor a farm hand but, I been seen wearing a green and yellow John Deere ball cap
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Post by ncrc5315 on Apr 21, 2020 17:41:18 GMT -8
John Deere I believe, has 60% of the agricultural market in North America. I farmed up until 1998, ran John Deere and Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment.
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 21, 2020 17:43:30 GMT -8
Super nice loads.. Where I live John Deere rules the farm equipment. I'm not a farmer nor a farm hand but, I been seen wearing a green and yellow John Deere ball cap .. Thanks, Larry. I've got an IH hat somewhere around here! When I found those CaseIH combines the photo showed the display base they were attached to indicating they were model year 1989, so since that's about as perfect a fit for my era as can be I bought all they had. The JD combine was given to me by a friend. Once I decided to buy all the flats and do this project I found another one to match. They're a little too new for 1989, but I'll never tell... |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Apr 21, 2020 18:00:49 GMT -8
Kinda off-topic but I heard there was a ruckus over John Dèere not letting owners work on their JD products (without voiding warranties). Seems they want everything to be done by JD factory techs, who can be expensive and a day or more away. Quite the contrast for farmers who are used to working on their own equipment. When stuff on a farm needs done, there usually isn't much time for waiting around. The equipment is pretty sophisticated, but even the software to do diagnostics is apparently very expensive (like thousands of dollars). Cars can get an OBD2 reader for cheap, at least you know what's wrong. JD apparently doesn't want farmers figuring out what they need, ordering the part and slapping it in. All has to be done by factory techs.
Anyway, nice looking models! Loads are a lot more interesting than the endless procession of containers. Although some time spent watching intermodal trains closely last year sorta clued me in as to how many different intermodal car types there are. I guess PSR has tried to drive away everything else. Maybe things are better out west.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Apr 21, 2020 19:28:25 GMT -8
fr8kar,
Those are some nice tie downs. Where'd you get 'em?
If I may, here's an old trick I picked up from my 1/48th airplane modeling days... If you sand the bottoms of the tires flat, it simulates the weight of the equipment pushing down on the tire. Otherwise, you can get a tiny contact patch between the rubber tire and the hard flat surface which can be noticeable from certain low angles.
ncrc5315,
My family has owned a 1964 Allis-Chalmers since my grandfather bought it new, so I'm in that camp vs. John Deere. But I have to admit it's not really an A-C even though it says it is; it's actually a Simplicity tractor that was produced under the A-C name. We used it on our tiny 10-acre farm for 50 years with a garden plow, sickle bar, and disc harrow attachments.
thebessemerkid,
Looks like farmers need a "right to repair" law like Massachusetts has passed for autos.
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 21, 2020 20:09:12 GMT -8
Thanks, Paul! I got them here: alkemscalemodels.biz/chaintiedownsBack when I did aircraft models I did something similar with the tires. These vinyl tires don't react to sandpaper as nicely as I remember those aircraft tires. Besides, there's no easy way to get the bulge to go with the flat. At this point the combines are permanently mounted to the flatcars using wire wrapped over the axles and passed through holes drilled in the deck. Maybe some light weathering or shading can help. We're pretty fortunate in my area that there's a huge variety of stuff moving on the rails, not just containers or just covered hoppers or just tank cars. There's everything. A couple years ago I modeled one of the high/wide loads I saw from the cab. I used the car it was on to make estimates of the size of the load. After a little while I had some sketches laid out on my switchlist. Those sketches turned into 3D drawings when I got home which eventually turned into 3D printed parts. I was thinking about building a transformer load or something like that when I saw these combines. That's when I knew I had to do it. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Apr 21, 2020 20:43:37 GMT -8
Ryan,
Thanks for the link!
What about throwing some chocks around the tires? Or is that not done on the prototype?
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Post by Christian on Apr 22, 2020 2:07:02 GMT -8
Thanks for the impulse buy. I might have to move my combine-on-flat project up to next in line. As for the tires - I've lots of photos in my combine-on-flat file that show the shipment with wheels and tires off the combine and on a following flat. Eastern clearances, I guess? Also, the tires in those photos look very plastic - shiny for those of you who follow a certain TV series . . . |
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 22, 2020 4:03:30 GMT -8
Ryan, Thanks for the link! What about throwing some chocks around the tires? Or is that not done on the prototype? There weren't any chocks on the photos I saw. Some tires were on thick pieces of plywood and others were just on the flatcar deck, so I did both. |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 22, 2020 4:19:48 GMT -8
The tie down chains are on-sale so I ordered a set. The shipping cost more than the chain set so at least the sale price offset that somewhat. Figure they'll come in handy but need to find a load appropriate for late 70's.
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Post by Christian on Apr 22, 2020 4:38:06 GMT -8
The tie down chains are on-sale so I ordered a set. The shipping cost more than the chain set so at least the sale price offset that somewhat. Figure they'll come in handy but need to find a load appropriate for late 70's. Shipping made me cringe although I've certainly seen much higher. So I ordered the triple set so that the product cost was more than the shipping! Hummm - something doesn't compute. I blame it on five am. |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Apr 22, 2020 4:54:14 GMT -8
Ryan,
Those are some very nice loads. Since you started this thread I went back thru my photos and looked at some I had taken. I posted a few on the Extra board for those wanting to see prototype loading of farm equipment.
As for John Deere wanting to have their technicians work on the equipment I will say some of the new stuff you don't want to mess with yourself. Some farm equipment, especially harvesters and tractors have some of the most sophisticated GPS I have seen. I have seen tractors and combines that can drive them selves. This helps in those large fields to plant the crop in a straight line. combines such as the ones Ryan modeled can reach $1 million price tags. I still own a 100 acre farm and all I do is change oil, major work still goes to the dealer. We use only John Deere tractors and New Holland(now Ford) hay equipment. Throw in one old International 140 Farmall to plow corn and garden crops. Just watch a few videos on new machinery shows on Youtube and you will see, also you can go to John Deere website and price equipment.
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Post by trainguy99 on Apr 22, 2020 5:46:40 GMT -8
Thanks, Paul! I got them here: alkemscalemodels.biz/chaintiedownsBack when I did aircraft models I did something similar with the tires. These vinyl tires don't react to sandpaper as nicely as I remember those aircraft tires. Besides, there's no easy way to get the bulge to go with the flat. At this point the combines are permanently mounted to the flatcars using wire wrapped over the axles and passed through holes drilled in the deck. Maybe some light weathering or shading can help. We're pretty fortunate in my area that there's a huge variety of stuff moving on the rails, not just containers or just covered hoppers or just tank cars. There's everything. A couple years ago I modeled one of the high/wide loads I saw from the cab. I used the car it was on to make estimates of the size of the load. After a little while I had some sketches laid out on my switchlist. Those sketches turned into 3D drawings when I got home which eventually turned into 3D printed parts. I was thinking about building a transformer load or something like that when I saw these combines. That's when I knew I had to do it. Some airplane guys will put a piece of paper on a warm iron, and then press styrene tires against it to flatten the bottom of the tire and make the sides bulge a little. I don't know how well that works with vinyl tires. |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 22, 2020 6:24:28 GMT -8
Shipping made me cringe although I've certainly seen much higher. So I ordered the triple set so that the product cost was more than the shipping! Hummm - something doesn't compute. I blame it on five am. I didn't see the shipping costs until I got the total and was surprised. It seems shipping should have been about half that - only requiring a light first class envelope. I cringe at Lombards shipping which is a flat $13.95 so you wouldn't want to order only a packet of Kadee fiber washers. The effect with Lombards is I don't order often and try to build up a sizable order to justify their high flat rate. |
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 23, 2020 10:36:52 GMT -8
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Post by Christian on Apr 23, 2020 12:23:18 GMT -8
seems shipping should have been about half that - only requiring a light first class envelope. Mine came today. Priority Mail which is seven $$ something. Add a bit of time to do the paperwork and ship the parts - it seems reasonable. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Apr 23, 2020 13:14:47 GMT -8
Ryan,
What kind of masking tape? The Tamiya tape? How long will that last, do you think?
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 23, 2020 14:13:24 GMT -8
Ryan, What kind of masking tape? The Tamiya tape? How long will that last, do you think? It's MT Kamoi paper "WASHI" masking tape. I was thinking I'd go over it with some CA to give it more of a plastic look since the Cordlash straps are a nylon material that have that plastic sheen. That will also have the benefit of making it stronger, but I'm curious to see how it handles changes in humidity. Ideally something with an elastic property would be best, but I'm not sure how it would hold up. Anyway, the masking tape was easy to put on, so if it breaks it shouldn't be difficult to replace. Besides, I don't handle my models very often so I think it will be alright. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Mar 10, 2022 9:19:39 GMT -8
What brand are your Combines?
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Post by fr8kar on Mar 10, 2022 18:20:23 GMT -8
The green ones are Ertl John Deere 9510 Maximizer combines and the red ones are Universal Hobbies CaseIH Axial Flow 1660 combines.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Jan 19, 2023 9:34:15 GMT -8
Are those tie downs a solid piece or actually chain?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 19, 2023 9:43:10 GMT -8
Are those tie downs a solid piece or actually chain? "I put some etched tiedowns on two of the flatcars..." Ed |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jan 20, 2023 4:21:04 GMT -8
I’ve read that Deere equipment seen on rail cars are exports and that they truck domestic deliveries.
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 20, 2023 10:48:35 GMT -8
I watched a train of those Case tractors go by once in Elkhart a year or two ago. The boards the tires are on straddled the outside of the car, so the tire was actually over the edge, with this really craptastic plank setup to keep them from falling off. Well, one of them shifted and was about to fall off the car. A call was placed.. I have photos somewhere.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Feb 14, 2024 20:52:55 GMT -8
Ryan,
I just acquired 6 of those IH Case Combines after a 5 year search. Found them by mistake while looking for chain. How did you attach the hooks to the Combines? I drilled some small holes in the front and put an eyebolt there to hook the tie downs to. How'd you do the rear of the combines?
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Post by fr8kar on Feb 15, 2024 18:21:19 GMT -8
Ryan, I just acquired 6 of those IH Case Combines after a 5 year search. Found them by mistake while looking for chain. How did you attach the hooks to the Combines? I drilled some small holes in the front and put an eyebolt there to hook the tie downs to. How'd you do the rear of the combines? They aren't actually attached, the chains just rest against the models. Same thing on the rear. They just rest against the top of the rear axle where it meets the body. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Feb 15, 2024 19:36:21 GMT -8
Ryan, I just acquired 6 of those IH Case Combines after a 5 year search. Found them by mistake while looking for chain. How did you attach the hooks to the Combines? I drilled some small holes in the front and put an eyebolt there to hook the tie downs to. How'd you do the rear of the combines? They aren't actually attached, the chains just rest against the models. Same thing on the rear. They just rest against the top of the rear axle where it meets the body. Thanks Ryan. Did you secure the Combines to the flatcars. If so, how. I can't quite make out what looks like a wire underneath the axles. Matt |
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