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Post by mdvle on Jul 31, 2020 13:09:42 GMT -8
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Post by mdvle on Jul 31, 2020 15:50:53 GMT -8
Close to ending, but the announcement live session spent about an hour covering the various differences between the railroads being done in the first run. Times : 00:10:20 - NS 00:22:30 - BC Rail 00:29:40 - CN 00:37:15 - BNSF 00:51:20 - C&NW (didn't get approx start time) 00:56:55 - UP 01:18:25 - show a bunch of EP sample photos Video - YouTube |
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Post by kpack on Jul 31, 2020 16:12:25 GMT -8
Athearn's BNSF H2 version is a different phase than the one ScaleTrains released. Different doors under the conductor's side cab and a panel with grabs right behind the conductor side cab going to the roof. Nice for some variety.
I'd like to see if the H1's have red or orange walkways. Some of the prototype had red, most had orange.
I'll for sure be picking a couple up when these become available. Nice work Athearn.
-Kevin
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jul 31, 2020 16:44:33 GMT -8
Very informational video on an outstanding product.
I very much appreciate the effort Athearn has put into the different versions of this locomotive.
How far has Athearn risen from the initial Blue Box Dash 9 release so many years ago when one shell fit all...NS headlight was in the nose and the CSX version was completely wrong.
Nice to see these accurate versions and I am very interested in the BC Rail and CN models.
Great job Athearn and thanks for allowing Matt and Janek spend and hour and half sharing their knowledge and answering questions.
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Post by ADK on Jul 31, 2020 16:53:48 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how they handle the radiator grills. I have several of the ST models and am not the biggest fan of the screens they used.
After being out of the hobby for awhile it's nice to see more options for modern equipment, especially from multiple manufactures. These will be my first genesis locos in a while, hoping Genesis 2.0 is as nice as it looks on paper!
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Post by chitownjeff on Jul 31, 2020 17:38:02 GMT -8
Kind of surprised no Santa Fe on the first run, I guess out of sight out of mind
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Post by brammy on Jul 31, 2020 17:53:44 GMT -8
My wallet was just declared a federal disaster area.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:00:25 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how they handle the radiator grills. I have several of the ST models and am not the biggest fan of the screens they used. I share this concern. |
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Post by mdvle on Jul 31, 2020 19:27:49 GMT -8
Kind of surprised no Santa Fe on the first run, I guess out of sight out of mind
They mentioned that SF, SP, and others would come in further releases - the tooling has been completed to allow for the additional variations.
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Post by djh4d on Aug 1, 2020 1:03:10 GMT -8
Well, I was excited about the BNSF units until they mentioned that both paints are 2010+. I guess I'll have to sit on the sideline until they do an "as delivered" version.
-Dave
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Post by sd80mac on Aug 1, 2020 5:17:52 GMT -8
Oh damn, 2010+ BNSF Dash 9s? Well, my wallet is not safe. A Canadian cab CN unit is awfully tempting as well.
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Post by simulatortrain on Aug 1, 2020 11:53:32 GMT -8
Nice stuff. I hope someday Genesis 2 will roll back a few decades.
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Post by ncrc5315 on Aug 1, 2020 14:46:03 GMT -8
Nice stuff. I hope someday Genesis 2 will roll back a few decades. GP40 would be nice. |
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Post by kpack on Aug 1, 2020 14:49:11 GMT -8
Well, I was excited about the BNSF units until they mentioned that both paints are 2010+. I guess I'll have to sit on the sideline until they do an "as delivered" version. -Dave Might just be a matter of removing some of the labels and reflective strips. I don't think much, if anything, changed body-wise from delivery to 2010+. I know one of the H1 units they modeled did have some body changes to it, but I think the others are unchanged. -Kevin |
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Post by middledivision on Aug 1, 2020 14:49:25 GMT -8
My wallet is safe.
A GP40 would be nice and they have the frame but the kids like the stuff they see on the rails today.
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Post by es80ac on Aug 1, 2020 17:52:08 GMT -8
AC6000CW needs a desperate reboot. The Broadway Limited one just do not look right.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Aug 1, 2020 19:16:45 GMT -8
AC6000CW needs a desperate reboot. The Broadway Limited one just do not look right. That is why I have kept my Overland CSX C60AC #672...just installed a new sound decoder and speakers. If I only would have kept my Overland AC4400 and P42. I have one of the Broadway Limited C60AC locomotives and I like it...it's not Genesis or Scale Trains quality but it is a solid runner and details are good enough. If a Genesis 2.0 C60AC version is ever released, it will be as outstanding as the SD90 MAC-H2 which is the finest HO scale plastic locomotive I own. ...can't wait on a CSX and NS SD 80 MAC. |
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Post by mdvle on Aug 1, 2020 19:20:29 GMT -8
My wallet is safe. A GP40 would be nice and they have the frame but the kids like the stuff they see on the rails today.
As they indicated the Dash-9 is a long term model - in will generate a lot of sales this year as well as for every year for the next decade - and that it will in turn help make some other more minor models viable.
And while those interested in the modern-ish scene will like the Dash-9, the prime market in this hobby remains the 45 to 65 year olds which likely means the 70s and 80s are the big areas at the moment.
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Post by es80ac on Aug 1, 2020 21:02:48 GMT -8
AC6000CW needs a desperate reboot. The Broadway Limited one just do not look right. That is why I have kept my Overland CSX C60AC #672...just installed a new sound decoder and speakers. If I only would have kept my Overland AC4400 and P42. I have one of the Broadway Limited C60AC locomotives and I like it...it's not Genesis or Scale Trains quality but it is a solid runner and details are good enough. If a Genesis 2.0 C60AC version is ever released, it will be as outstanding as the SD90 MAC-H2 which is the finest HO scale plastic locomotive I own. ...can't wait on a CSX and NS SD 80 MAC. I agree the Genesis 2 SD90 Mach-H2 is a awesome piece of work. Broadway Limited unit's front windows, the anti-climber just look wrong and toyish. The exhaust stacks are too small and the frame details are lacking. |
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Post by sd50f on Aug 1, 2020 21:43:21 GMT -8
Athearn has great looking designs here. The CAD looks sharp, the paint diagrams look good. But they have to fire their copy editor. Why would Canadian Pacific order locomotives for Canadian National? (page 6)  Timothy Dineen p.s. I don't think they actually have to fire someone... |
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 1, 2020 21:48:35 GMT -8
p.s. I don't think they actually have to fire someone... I thought they already cleaned house about a month ago....  |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 2, 2020 12:22:41 GMT -8
It will be nice if Athearn gets the x-panels correct on the clean air compartment. So far their CAD drawing looks correct. Scaletrains was close but not quite.
I have a soft place for the D9-40C of NS with it being the last standard cab GE made. I have one I modeled from a Kato/Atlas bash and theST version.
Will have to look close at this Athearn.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 2, 2020 15:31:33 GMT -8
I noticed that the typeface on the prototype BNSF 1050 and the drawing don't match--the prototype is lighter. Same goes for BNSF 1082.
Ed
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Post by kpack on Aug 2, 2020 15:52:56 GMT -8
It will be nice if Athearn gets the x-panels correct on the clean air compartment. So far their CAD drawing looks correct. Scaletrains was close but not quite. I have a soft place for the D9-40C of NS with it being the last standard cab GE made. I have one I modeled from a Kato/Atlas bash and theST version. Will have to look close at this Athearn. CAD drawings looked like they had it right. That was one of the things I was looking for also. ScaleTrains missed that the rear X panel is larger. Easy detail to overlook. I also noted the metal plate between the corner nose grabs. Another easy-to-miss detail that Athearn got right. -Kevin |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Aug 2, 2020 16:52:47 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how they handle the radiator grills. I have several of the ST models and am not the biggest fan of the screens they used. After being out of the hobby for awhile it's nice to see more options for modern equipment, especially from multiple manufactures. These will be my first genesis locos in a while, hoping Genesis 2.0 is as nice as it looks on paper!
Donnell
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Post by spsf on Aug 3, 2020 10:23:35 GMT -8
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Aug 3, 2020 10:50:42 GMT -8
Those look fantastic! You guys have really been knocking it out of the park lately with customer outreach and the models themselves. |
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 3, 2020 10:59:36 GMT -8
That shot of the radiator really shows off the door detail, especially the way the gaps between the doors appear and the way the tops and bottoms of the doors overlap the hood sides. It's spot on.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Aug 3, 2020 11:14:34 GMT -8
The plastic looks fantastic! Have to be honest though, the etched radiator intakes are like the ST Rivet Counter ones. Prototype: www.nsdash9.com/images/NS8910brakewheel1.jpgDynamic intakes are better www.nsdash9.com/images/NS8843jt1.jpgStainless brake lines are nice! Realistically, the model will compete against the ST models. The question of key product differentiators will arise. I understand the pressure of having to do something (the etched intakes) "because a competitor has them", but I'm not sure etched is the best way to simulate the prototype. Ryan's idea of using clear molded or printed plastic + darker paint to get the see-through effect while retaining the fineness of the corrugations of the intake filters is one approach. Can always print a set up and see how they look. Could the brake chain on the truck be better done with A-line 40-link/inch chain? ETA: the traction motor cables should be tucked in I think. See the above photo. The underframe details don't really matter much to me, but these look like they're kinda hanging in space. Sort of calls attention to them moreso than if they'd been left off altogether (but the competition has them, so...) Otherwise looks really excellent. The beauty of some of the moldwork is one reason I relentlessly campaign for undecs, so the airbrush artists can get the most out of the model. A big thank you for putting test shots up and please understand any critique is simply to make the models the best they can be.  |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Aug 3, 2020 11:34:53 GMT -8
For reference, I posted pics of both ST Operator & RC Dash-9 radiator intake treatment in another thread: atlasrescueforum.proboards.com/thread/8147/athearn-train-tuesday?page=12If Athearn decided to take a similar route, perhaps offering this Dash 9 with molded plastic grille inserts and less detail in the Athearn RTR market, but retaining road-specific headlight position and radiator intake grille arrangements, they'd own the market. The ST Operator is too generic, IMO. |
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