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Post by csxt8400 on Oct 28, 2020 14:46:07 GMT -8
I have one coming; when they dropped I had one put on hold pending the Atlas that showed up today. I looked again and only NYC was left. I may put it out at my two fall shows just to justify the order, but I don't expect to sell it there. $60 is a lot in the two small markets I'll be going to. Heck it would be a lot in the bigger market shows, too, but they're all cancelled through the end of the year. This is kinda where I am. I don't have a problem -- well much of one -- buying a $60 car. Although I'd like it to be closer to Tangent quality at a Tangent price. Of course, one would need more than one too. But, $60 PLUS shipping makes me hesitant to pull the trigger. Again, I have -- see Tangent 86' foot cars. I might get one of the NYC ones which are going for a little less. I do have an Atlas Penn Central cylindrical I could pair with it. When Hogtrainz didn't get enough CP 3800's to fulfill one of mine that I preordered, I just ate the idea of getting one. Same situation, over 60 bucks shipped from any online retailer, compared to paying shipping one time and getting four cars. It just didn't make sense considering it was going to be a "one-off" type car on my layout. I'm content with my two CN environmental and Potash Corp cars.
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Post by nsfantodd on Oct 28, 2020 16:01:59 GMT -8
The pictures look good to me. I've got 2 Conrail on way. I may change the draft gear. Will definitely add semi scale Kadees and semi scale wheels.
I've been looking forward to these. I had the AHM version when young, and attempted to detail one without much success! They don't fit my current modeling focus, but I couldn't let them pass.
For anyone on the fence, a friend of mine shot 2 Conrails in Atchison KS in 1990. And I read some had been seen in Atlanta, so they did get around some.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 28, 2020 16:06:44 GMT -8
The do look pretty good. I'll have to check mine when they get here to check the rung spacing and such. Ed
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Post by csxt8400 on Oct 28, 2020 17:30:42 GMT -8
The pictures look good to me. I've got 2 Conrail on way. I may change the draft gear. Will definitely add semi scale Kadees and semi scale wheels. I've been looking forward to these. I had the AHM version when young, and attempted to detail one without much success! They don't fit my current modeling focus, but I couldn't let them pass. For anyone on the fence, a friend of mine shot 2 Conrails in Atchison KS in 1990. And I read some had been seen in Atlanta, so they did get around some. I have one MDTX that is going to make its way to Chicago on post-CR split CSX. Hopefully that isn't too ridiculous..
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 28, 2020 19:40:04 GMT -8
There is no reason to think that these cars could ONLY haul cement. Sure, that appears to be their original purpose. But the farther you go in time from the original purpose, the more likely you will find the cars in different service.
Really, anything that acts like cement could be carried by these cars. That means roughly the same density, roughly the same angle of repose (though with air discharge, that may be unimportant), and roughly the same chemical reactivity.
You need a car to haul 100 tons of calcified flubadub? Yeah, we got one that can do that. Hell, we've got 20! You got money?
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Oct 29, 2020 4:32:48 GMT -8
I don't think any of the NYC/PC/CR made it west of Denver during my period of interest, but I may have to bend history a bit since I wouldn't mind one or two of those mid-late 70's versions. My FMC arrived yesterd.
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 29, 2020 5:04:09 GMT -8
If they're hatched in Canada, they are Canadian. Don't shoot the messenger, just the goose! Their beaks are made out of Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Potassium... :-D Back on track, it's a sharp looking model of an interesting prototype.
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Post by stevewagner on Oct 29, 2020 5:27:53 GMT -8
When I tried to rent a canoe at the Danube Arm in Vienna, Austria in 1966 I found out the hard way that in the German spoken there a Kanu was a kayak and a regular canoe was a Kanader. My German dictionaries have Kajak for the former, which I'm not used to and Kanu or Kanadier for the latter, to which I'm accustomed, though not in "white water", but there are many dialects in German. When I returned with a fellow Oberlin student, who wasn't in the college's German-language program there that summer but was working in a local pickle factory, I made sure I asked for a Kanader.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 29, 2020 5:48:58 GMT -8
You mean they don't learn hoch-Deutch in Austria, nur auf Deutchland?
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Post by TBird1958 on Oct 29, 2020 7:11:51 GMT -8
My one FMC showed up yesterday (from HOGZTRAINS), overall I like it quite a lot. I do agree on the draft gear it would have been nice to see a scale effort there, however it's something easily replaced should one want to, the whole box is held in place with one screw. Perhaps the Moloco item would be a good substitute. www.molocotrains.com/collections/parts/products/0414 I found the rest of the model to be quite nice, if the plumbing is oversize, it doesn't seem to be egregiously so, nor the ladder, it's better than a Tichy one that I compared it to.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 29, 2020 7:31:35 GMT -8
I pre-ordered my FMC from Hogtrainz as well.
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Post by jaj on Oct 29, 2020 8:02:56 GMT -8
There is no reason to think that these cars could ONLY haul cement. Sure, that appears to be their original purpose. But the farther you go in time from the original purpose, the more likely you will find the cars in different service. Really, anything that acts like cement could be carried by these cars. That means roughly the same density, roughly the same angle of repose (though with air discharge, that may be unimportant), and roughly the same chemical reactivity. Fly ash would be one such commodity, and the supply chains for fly ash can also look a little bit different than traditional Portland cement shipping lanes. For example, highly populated areas that have largely banished coal-fired power plants (think: northeast USA) are still key concrete consumers so fly ash can travel from odd places (faraway coal burning power plants), over long distances, to reach said markets. The later SYSX cars generally moved fly ash from what I understand, though I don't know under what arrangements. By the way, I worked for Lafarge in US Cement Logistics starting in 2006 and I have a few old Lafarge rail fleet Excel files that show a few of these cars as still on the books in 2006: NAHX 1005 - lease ended 7/31/2006 (at $160/mo btw, GE Capital) NAHX 1007 - same NAHX 1010 - same NAHX 1016 - lease ended 6/30/2002 (at $228/mo) but still listed in our lease accounting file in 11/2006, so probably we were paying month-to-month for these cars and GE Capital didn't mind. NAHX 1017 - same In terms of service, a 5/2007 Lafarge fleet trace shows: - The NAHX 1017 was last in service for Lafarge in Michigan in late 2006 on a fly ash move from Consumers in Bay City MI to the massive Lafarge plant in Alpena, MI ... this was a move bringing fly ash to Alpena plant as a raw material for portland cement manufacture. Add the NAHX 1015 and 1023 to this lane...but only until 2004. And the NAHX 1001 appears to have been in this lane until 2000. - The NAHX 1018 and 1024 were last seen on trace moving portland cement for Lafarge from the St. Constant PQ (Delson) plant to a couple of customer-owned cement terminals in North Wilbraham and Wilkinson, MA on the CSXT (former CR Boston Line) in late 2003. At least I think station name Wilkinson is on the Boston Line...does anyone have an OPSL? North Wilbraham is a site owned by Construction Services, a Lafarge customer. They also have a site in Indian Orchard, MA near Springfield...another likely Flexi-Flo destination in the early 2000s. - The rest of the 10 NAHX cars listed show as being returned to GE Capital in Selkirk, MB during this timeframe... I hope this helps... JAJ ps I model the State of Maine in 1993 on somewhat of a proto-freelanced basis, the area in and around Waterville, ME...so you can be sure I grabbed the Lafarge 6-pack from Rapido to serve a land-locked imaginary cement plant in Maine that Lafarge bought a couple years prior to my era.
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 29, 2020 9:16:32 GMT -8
- The rest of the 10 NAHX cars listed show as being returned to GE Capital in Selkirk, MB during this timeframe... If that's where they went, then that was likely their last trip. Selkirk is the home of Mandak, one of the largest scrap companies in Canada. A lot of railway equipment has met an unfortunate end in the mud at Mandak over the years.
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Post by stevewagner on Oct 29, 2020 10:44:15 GMT -8
Jim Fitch, Viennese is actually closer to Hochdeutsch than the Plattdeutsch spoken in northerly places such as Hamburg, where "sp" and "st", at least at the start of words, are pronounced as in English and Dutch, not as in more southerly parts of the German-speaking part of Europe, where their pronunciation might be rendered in English as "shp" and "sht". Actually some German-speaking people think the purest version of the language is spoken on the stage in Vienna.
Everyday casual speech can be something else.
Somewhere in between is the Viennese (or perhaps generally Austrian) tendency to create new verbs by taking French ones and adding -ieren. (The Viennese also tend to pronounce all French words as in French. And in German generally "v" sounds like "f", but not in words like Violine). There's a whole song in Fledermaus in which a lawyer lists all the things he can do using legalese of that sort. One of my very favorites of such verbs, however, is actually related to railroads. The Viennese expression N'echauffieren Sie sich! means "Don't get yourself all steamed up." Chauffeur in French originally meant stoker, like a fireman on a steam locomotive.
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 29, 2020 17:28:30 GMT -8
Draft gear is a totally separate piece. Take the screw out, it all comes off. The lid is tack glued on. Are these KD #5s? They look damn close, but boy is the color they painted them hideous.
Have not decided if I am going to change out the draft gear, I doubt it, but it would be a piece of cake. If not, I would recommend gluing the box on. Its a very fine line between too loose and too tight.
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Post by el3672 on Oct 29, 2020 22:52:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the snap shot previews. Won't get my 4 till next Tuesday or so. Up grading the draft gear? end ladders? Kadee etc so lets add part Kadee #178 Whisker Coupler & scale draft gear box and #438 air hose & angle cocks and kadee ladder replacements. Bing Go - Lets Go!!!!!
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Post by Partial_List on Oct 30, 2020 6:44:51 GMT -8
Although I appreciate your optimism, I don’t think any of us should be having to make those modifications on a $48 car...
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Post by middledivision on Oct 30, 2020 7:09:30 GMT -8
^^^ It's like correcting the data on a $50 car.
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Post by nsfantodd on Oct 30, 2020 7:12:22 GMT -8
Although I appreciate your optimism, I don’t think any of us should be having to make those modifications on a $48 car... You don't have to make those modifications...you don't buy the car either
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Post by riogrande on Oct 30, 2020 7:14:36 GMT -8
I don’t think any of us should be having to make those modifications on a $48 car... If you don't think it's worth it, pass on it.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 30, 2020 7:50:07 GMT -8
If you don't think it's worth it, pass on it. Been there. Done that. Ed PS: I was referring to the general case. Some may recall an example. In this particular case, I still think the car is adequate, and plan to get my two, if my local shop comes through. Considering that the ladders are in a protected space, I don't see why they had to be so pudgy, though.
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Post by Partial_List on Oct 30, 2020 9:41:39 GMT -8
Hopefully there will be future runs that are a little better.
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 30, 2020 12:58:27 GMT -8
These cars are nice but not without flaws. If I needed one or more this is the model I'd start out with, no doubt about that. But it is a shame that Rapido is content with base hits and doubles. It's not like they're striking out, but they don't charge minor league prices, either.
I'm hoping the upcoming B-100-40 boxcars are home runs, but I have a feeling what we'll see instead.
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 30, 2020 13:40:57 GMT -8
Your choice is these, the AHM model or nothing.
I ended up ordering one from TTH to get a PC patch car. I can get plenty of NYC as-delivered but I didn't think it was worth the effort to buy a six pack and maybe make two bucks a car selling off five of them to have one on-hand.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Oct 30, 2020 16:18:07 GMT -8
Your choice is these, the AHM model or nothing. I ended up ordering one from TTH to get a PC patch car. I can get plenty of NYC as-delivered but I didn't think it was worth the effort to buy a six pack and maybe make two bucks a car selling off five of them to have one on-hand. I have three AHM models, each with an accompanying Plano etched detail set...still "jonesing" over Bobby Pitts'beautifully done AHM rework! I may get at least one of the new Rapido cars to use as a base for detailing the AHM cars.
Donnell
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Post by champagnetrail on Oct 30, 2020 16:42:55 GMT -8
If they're hatched in Canada, they are Canadian. Don't shoot the messenger, just the goose! Hold your fire! Depending on where you live and the time of year, if you get caught shooting that goose you might get thrown in the pokey!
Still patiently waiting for my FMC.
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Post by snootie3257 on Oct 30, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -8
Don't shoot the messenger, just the goose! Hold your fire! Depending on where you live and the time of year, if you get caught shooting that goose you might get thrown in the pokey! Still patiently waiting for my FMC.
Only if you get caught.😉 Steve
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Post by Christian on Oct 30, 2020 22:50:20 GMT -8
Hold your fire! Depending on where you live and the time of year, if you get caught shooting that goose you might get thrown in the pokey! Still patiently waiting for my FMC.
Only if you get caught.😉 Steve It's best to hide that goose in a 325 degree oven.
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Post by Funnelfan on Oct 30, 2020 23:48:45 GMT -8
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Post by Funnelfan on Oct 31, 2020 0:12:46 GMT -8
By the way, I worked for Lafarge in US Cement Logistics starting in 2006 and I have a few old Lafarge rail fleet Excel files that show a few of these cars as still on the books in 2006: NAHX 1005 - lease ended 7/31/2006 (at $160/mo btw, GE Capital) NAHX 1007 - same NAHX 1010 - same NAHX 1016 - lease ended 6/30/2002 (at $228/mo) but still listed in our lease accounting file in 11/2006, so probably we were paying month-to-month for these cars and GE Capital didn't mind. NAHX 1017 - same In terms of service, a 5/2007 Lafarge fleet trace shows: - The NAHX 1017 was last in service for Lafarge in Michigan in late 2006 on a fly ash move from Consumers in Bay City MI to the massive Lafarge plant in Alpena, MI ... this was a move bringing fly ash to Alpena plant as a raw material for portland cement manufacture. Add the NAHX 1015 and 1023 to this lane...but only until 2004. And the NAHX 1001 appears to have been in this lane until 2000. - The NAHX 1018 and 1024 were last seen on trace moving portland cement for Lafarge from the St. Constant PQ (Delson) plant to a couple of customer-owned cement terminals in North Wilbraham and Wilkinson, MA on the CSXT (former CR Boston Line) in late 2003. At least I think station name Wilkinson is on the Boston Line...does anyone have an OPSL? North Wilbraham is a site owned by Construction Services, a Lafarge customer. They also have a site in Indian Orchard, MA near Springfield...another likely Flexi-Flo destination in the early 2000s. - The rest of the 10 NAHX cars listed show as being returned to GE Capital in Selkirk, MB during this timeframe... I hope this helps... JAJ Neat info. There was a Lafarge Plant off the UP in Spokane, WA that received these cars on a regular basis. I only managed a few photos of the cars in 2002 before the plant was closed in favor of a new plant in a industrial park that made it hard to photograph the cars. The move was prompted by a freeway project that is still ongoing. I have photos of the NAHX 1012, 1013 in Lafarge paint minus the logo sticker that had come off by that point. I also have a photos of a NAHX 1029, 1032 with no name. Photo here is from Nov 2002;
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