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Post by lars on Jan 20, 2021 5:54:28 GMT -8
First off thanks to rteusink for the link dealers.walthers.com/forms/forms/FEB-MAR-APR_2021_New_Product_Announcements.pdfIt looks like Walthers has gone and dressed up the Mainline GP9 PhII. It says new tooling, I guess to replace the original GP9 PhII. Was that the one that was allegedly re-cut into the Ph1 GP9? Bonus for offering an undecorated model too. Though not on any of the current roadnames, the undec comes with torpedo tubes, although it doesn't look like they're offering a different fuel tank. Weird. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 20, 2021 6:19:08 GMT -8
I see the new tooling mentioned, but could it be the former Lifelike P2K as a basis for the model? The index with torpedo tubes sounds promising.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 20, 2021 7:20:15 GMT -8
It's available in D&RGW switcher scheme. Hmm...
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Post by ambluco on Jan 20, 2021 8:04:36 GMT -8
Interesting at this time of talking about Rapido not doing undec, that Walthers is doing the undec, in DC only, and they list all the parts you get. Undec options in the box |
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Post by lars on Jan 20, 2021 8:23:20 GMT -8
List is $200 no sound / $300 sound. Latest Genesis GP9 release is $210/300. The separately applied parts list doesn't seem as long as Genesis.
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 20, 2021 9:09:29 GMT -8
Definitely in for a PC. I wonder if they will finally ditch the awful P2K MU hoses on these?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 20, 2021 9:17:58 GMT -8
I found a shot of UP 292 in the We Can Handle It scheme at Fallen Flags--kinda tough turning up specific Geeps for 1975-ish.
That is one of the four numbers that Walthers is doing in UP in the list.
Good news is there are several little things, probably easy to fix: ACI tag (maybe--as needed), EMD GP9 plaque (very easy, may not need for all numbers), bells on horn too short (why?)
Bad news: these UP Geeps had the teeny little 1200 gallon fuel tanks. I don't see, from the drawing, any differences in fuel tank from the other railroads. It gets me suspecting they've got the wrong fuel tank on these. I see they don't say a word about a small tank in their list of detail options. I will wait to find out what tank they will use before committing to buy.
If they get the right fuel tank, I would be VERY interested.
Ed
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Post by ironrails on Jan 20, 2021 9:48:01 GMT -8
Notably, the undecorated GP9 from this announcement does not show up on their website, only the decorated ones. Mike MacLatchy Interesting at this time of talking about Rapido not doing undec, that Walthers is doing the undec, in DC only, and they list all the parts you get. Undec options in the box |
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Post by markfj on Jan 20, 2021 9:51:22 GMT -8
This is a welcomed announcement! I’m on the band wagon that thinks the P2K GP9 shell is the best one on the market. I’m even considering mounting a P2K GP9 shell to a Genesis chassis. I’ve heard of this being done, but have yet to find any info on what modifications are required. The Genesis model I have is from the initial run, the ones with the botched up shell dimensions. To my eye, this early Genesis shell looks really “off” when compared to the P2K. I suppose I could just sell the Genesis model and buy one from the later run, but I really want to try mounting the P2K shell to the chassis.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by tom on Jan 20, 2021 14:03:00 GMT -8
These new GP9 Phase II are indeed started with the P2K molds but Walthers did a lot to them to bring the up to new standards and did change the roof contour and other changes. Walther's jest recently released the Mainline version of this which is also an upgrade of the P2K molds but is more basic that the Proto line. These will come with and a much improved drive train, motor and trucks. In 2019 I showed here how I started with aa undecorated Walthers Proto GP9 Phase I to come up with the Phase II: atlasrescueforum.proboards.com/thread/7493/photos-penn-central-gp9-walthersThe photos were originally hosted by Photobucket so now has the Photobucket watermarks. I really like working with the undec model and Walthers supplied lots of options. I will try to get an undec version of this so I can model the Penn Central version that I want to. Yes I had to fix those P2K MU hoses but the metal grabs are a big improvement. |
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Post by markfj on Jan 20, 2021 16:18:23 GMT -8
So is the roof contour off on the old P2K GP9 shell too? I thought it was correct. If that’s the case, maybe I’ll hold off on my planned swap project and just order one of these Walther’s models.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by jbilbrey on Jan 20, 2021 22:05:06 GMT -8
It's available in D&RGW switcher scheme. Hmm... I don't need one, but I wouldn't mind getting one for a memento after spending a week in Del Norte along the former D&RGW branch to Creede, CO couple summers ago. It certainly makes more sense than a SD40T-2, LOL. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Jan 21, 2021 4:18:58 GMT -8
So is the roof contour off on the old P2K GP9 shell too? I thought it was correct. If that’s the case, maybe I’ll hold off on my planned swap project and just order one of these Walther’s models. Thanks, Mark There's some debate on that. Many prototype photos show very rounded roof corners (even with the radiator fan hatches curving down slightly at the corners, which the original P2K model had replicated, but what the Atlas and Athearn models with their tighter roof corners don't have). Some are of the mind that Walthers may have overcorrected the corners now, due to years of past debate on forums (comparing the Athearn, Atlas, Front Range and P2K versions). We'll probably need close-ups of the new Walthers Geeps or a comparison to be sure. |
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Post by rteusink on Jan 21, 2021 4:46:26 GMT -8
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Post by markfj on Jan 21, 2021 4:55:16 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarification Judge.
I think I'm going to preorder one of the new Walther's models just to be on the safe side.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by lars on Jan 21, 2021 6:07:43 GMT -8
Here's some quick pics from my Mainline GP9. I'm fairly certain that Walthers will use the same shell with the usual Proto upgrades.   If you're looking to buy an undecorated and go as far as swapping grilles and fans, your best choice might be to get and undecorated Mainline or strip one. MBK had non-sound ones for under $100 a few weeks ago. |
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Post by stevewagner on Jan 21, 2021 7:22:29 GMT -8
1/21/21 about 10:21 a.m., EST
lars, I can't see the pix in your last post. Any advice?
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Post by lars on Jan 21, 2021 7:37:14 GMT -8
Hopefully I fixed it. It wasn't coming up on my iPad before but is now.
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Post by stevewagner on Jan 21, 2021 7:52:33 GMT -8
10:49 a.m., EST 1/21/21
Lars, your fix worked for me. Thanks very much for your post and for the correction.
My layout is so small with tight enough radii and switches that a GP9 is about the biggest loco that really makes sense on it. Not that I don't have some somewhat longer locos and some representing newer types of diesel-electrics!
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 21, 2021 9:06:11 GMT -8
Here's some quick pics from my Mainline GP9. I'm fairly certain that Walthers will use the same shell with the usual Proto upgrades. If you're looking to buy an undecorated and go as far as swapping grilles and fans, your best choice might be to get and undecorated Mainline or strip one. MBK had non-sound ones for under $100 a few weeks ago. The Mainline and Proto are different shells. |
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Post by lars on Jan 21, 2021 10:59:03 GMT -8
I stand corrected. In in thinking this over, a different long hood would likely need to be made to allow for separately applied screens and fans. The hood radii may or may not be the same.
I guess judgement should be reserved until we have the real thing.
Note: I edited this post as Tom was typing his reply.
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Post by tom on Jan 21, 2021 11:07:28 GMT -8
I stand corrected. So we might see two different iterations of the GP9 PhII from Walthers, then. Not might, will. Walthers already released the PHII in Mainline form (less detailed) and now the PhII in Proto (more detail, undec comes with more options). While both will have different shells they both should have the same basic details (at lease when I compare my Proto PhI GP9 to my Mainline PhII GP9. |
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Post by unittrain on Jan 21, 2021 18:02:23 GMT -8
I ordered a proto PC unit I just received an older lifelike Pennsylvania Railroad GP9 plus a Genesis pennsy GP9B I'm trying to build up a decent early PC locomotive fleet.
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Post by trainguy99 on Jan 22, 2021 5:55:04 GMT -8
I stand corrected. So we might see two different iterations of the GP9 PhII from Walthers, then. Not might, will. Walthers already released the PHII in Mainline form (less detailed) and now the PhII in Proto (more detail, undec comes with more options). While both will have different shells they both should have the same basic details (at lease when I compare my Proto PhI GP9 to my Mainline PhII GP9. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the hood radius will probably be the same as on their last run of Phase I GP9s, since those have new hood contours. I think they have done a run or two of GP7s with them also. |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jan 25, 2021 14:15:32 GMT -8
That flyer is for the Mainline GP9 not the Proto. However it took about 5 minutes to find the undec Proto on Walthers site.
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