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Post by stevewagner on Jan 21, 2021 14:42:25 GMT -8
January 21, 2021, about 5:34 p.m., EST
Fellow model railroaders,
This was emailed to those on Atlas's mailing list and posted on the firm's website late this afternoon. So far the Production List on the website hasn't been updated to reflect what's in it.
I doubt I'll be able to post a good link to the catalog but hope others can do so.
To summarize the main HO parts:
Arrived in December":
42' coil steel cars
Dash8-40B's (including a Providence & Worcester that may be something else [?])), Dash 8-40BW's, Dash 8-32BWH's
"Arriving January 2021":
Trainman GP38-2's
Master series Berwick 50' single door boxcars
Master series 89' flatcars
Master series 25,500 gallon tank cars
Also various track and wiring components.
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Post by ambluco on Jan 21, 2021 14:52:04 GMT -8
Thanks Steve.
I see the street/parking lot lights are removed from the production schedule, in HO and N.
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Post by stevewagner on Jan 21, 2021 17:32:31 GMT -8
1/21/21, about 8:30 p.m., EST
Thanks, ambluco, for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed it. The posted Production Schedule still hasn't been revised to show the arrival of the various Dash 8 series locos, at least, and shows partial arrivals of some other runs by January 12 but nothing later.
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Post by ambluco on Jan 21, 2021 18:23:15 GMT -8
They also didn’t do the B40-8 undec in DCC (Gold). They dropped the item number.
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Post by middledivision on Jan 21, 2021 19:52:22 GMT -8
I also noticed they are using ESU Essential sound decoders, which is a step down from Loksound Select.
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Post by ambluco on Jan 22, 2021 10:46:34 GMT -8
GE's are mostly Silver series right now with the Gold in a later shipment.
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 22, 2021 15:11:05 GMT -8
The Trainman GP38-2s will have ESU Essential sound while it says the 8-40Bs will have Selects. I wonder if those will be V5s in reality? I also noticed they are using ESU Essential sound decoders, which is a step down from Loksound Select. |
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Jan 22, 2021 16:51:35 GMT -8
Anyone have a link? This is all I was able to find, and it doesn't have anything about Dash 8s. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 22, 2021 17:20:25 GMT -8
And here some were thinking Atlas was on their last legs. They're alive!!!!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 22, 2021 17:22:02 GMT -8
Anyone have a link? This is all I was able to find, and it doesn't have anything about Dash 8s. It's towards the beginning of the HO section of the list. Ed |
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Post by ambluco on Jan 22, 2021 17:56:55 GMT -8
I had a concern on no gold undecs and asked my online ordering place. They wrote Atlas and got a speedy reply.
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Post by BEDT26 on Jan 23, 2021 20:14:14 GMT -8
Hey guys, anyone knows when are the Atlas Santa Fe U28CG are coming out  |
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 23, 2021 20:54:17 GMT -8
U28C/CG announced Jan 2020, orders due March 2020, typical turnaround has been 18 months, so I wouldn't look for them before September.
No idea why anyone would think Atlas was on their last legs, product has been steady, I did well on the GP38s and GP40-2s, enough that I restocked some and sold almost all of them (have a couple GP40-2's left).
Probably no Gold undecs on the B40-8 because no, or not enough preorders.
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Post by Frank on Jan 25, 2021 17:40:07 GMT -8
Are the F89J flatcars coming this month? If that’s the case the wallet will take quite a hit there, I think this run had the green pipe loads as well.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 26, 2021 9:09:45 GMT -8
F89J cars including the pipe cars haven't even made a container yet. I haven't watched to see if the 18 month rule applies, but they show expected 2nd quarter.
ACF 89'4" cars left Jan 12th and should show up about March 10. They were announced Jan 2019. The F89J was announced Jan 2020.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 26, 2021 10:21:00 GMT -8
Atlas is starting to catch up with Intermountain on announcements to delivery delays.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 26, 2021 11:24:05 GMT -8
18 months give or take (including 60 days of shipping time) seemed to be about the norm until that one plant in China shut down and it seems like anything made there has been entirely random as to when it might show up. The SD35 run that showed up last January is about the longest I waited for Atlas, around 30 months.
I think right now the all time record in my experience though is Bowser with the C628s. June 2018 they announced a be-all end-all run including D&H, LV red, LV snowbird and others. They have been coming in small groups every 12-18 weeks since July. The red and Tuscan LV units are supposed to show up next month, which means the Snowbirds and some others will be after that maybe April, May, and it's possible it will be a full three years before the last of them arrive.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 26, 2021 11:36:48 GMT -8
And then there is Tangent that announces a model and BOOM, you can order it now.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 26, 2021 12:21:55 GMT -8
Well you also have Broadway Limited, who announces it when it's on the way and if they didn't make enough too bad for the last guys to ask for them.
Tangent doesn't say where theirs are made on their website, unless I missed something, so I don't know how they go about it other than clearly they make up a run and have it on hand before announcing it.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 26, 2021 12:30:00 GMT -8
I don't recall Tangent saying where their models were made either. I think I recall they were affected when AFFA closed but I may be remembering incorrectly. ExactRail used to hold announcements until product was available to sell, but that's changed somewhat in the past few years.
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Post by lars on Jan 26, 2021 12:33:35 GMT -8
The difference between delivery times is striking. Even though Tangent doesn't do pre-orders their time to turn around models (as made by them in some comments around the 86' boxes) seems to be less than a year. Then you have the Intermountain GP16s on the other end of the spectrum.
I've wondered for a few months now what's the amount of production capacity relative to demand. Where are levels pre Affa shutdown and Sanda Kan merger? How much of that demand has LRC captured?
I think it will also be interesting to see what the overall demand will be a year from now. Did Covid bring in new people and are they sticking around or will there be a demand drop as people start getting out and spending money elsewhere? The manufacturers could be in for a bit of a hangover if that's the case.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 26, 2021 12:37:44 GMT -8
Intermountain has a very long list of items, all waiting to be run, or re-run, so it makes sense there are going to be longer wait times with them.
There seems to be increased purchasing with people stuck at home more and buying more stuff online. There seemed to be a bit of a run on things to build layouts like track components and even Kadee couplers sold out by some vendors, but then there has been some catching up as well.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 26, 2021 14:10:35 GMT -8
My online sales are up a good amount, although that does include some non-train items.
I was able to do one event that I could compare to past years and it was down about 2/3rds both my sales and the attendance.
Right now there are no solid events for 2021, some are already cancelled, some are on hold and some have dates but don't know if the events will occur. I expect even if we get events again it will remain slow for some time.
The question I wonder is if buying in person ever fully recovers or if it recovers before the economy starts to lose steam. When it's slower I sell more cheap used junk, AHM, Tyco, that stuff, but usually it's not enough more to keep sales totals the same.
FWIW, the malls are slow too. I've been in ours a number of times on a Sunday afternoon when it should be busy and even with stores limiting capacity (one I go to only allows 8 at a time) I rarely have to wait. So what is affecting the hobby industry is a part of all retail in general.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 26, 2021 18:00:12 GMT -8
Malls have been dying for years well before the pandemic. Brick and mortar in general giving way to online. The pandemic only accelerated some.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 26, 2021 20:17:43 GMT -8
Without going way off tangent, we have one very strong mall here while the rest were well on their way to dead before the pandemic. Normally a Sunday afternoon before the holidays you shouldn't be able to get near it to park. I usually avoided it entirely from Thanksgiving to New Years. But this season I never had an issue getting an easy walk in or getting into the stores I wanted to go to. I would have expected some kind of wait, given the occupancy limits, but one store I never had to and the other only once or twice and not for very long. That gives me the impression that it's not just the train shows people aren't coming out to, and until I see more normal crowds in a mall I won't expect normal crowds at a train show.
I also think that contributed to the decisions to cancel a lot of these shows, the likelihood that attendance would be down even if the event was still held as planned.
Which, it doesn't affect my bottom line if the tire kickers and Sunday sightseers stay home, but the promoters rely on those ticket sales to make their show a success too. And sometimes it's those people good for a sale I wouldn't normally expect, also.
I will also note this is a blue state and has had a higher level of restrictions than some other places. But that all seems to be starting to magically go away, so maybe by the fall season things will be more or less normal, or as close to that as we'll get back to.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 26, 2021 20:44:05 GMT -8
Malls have been dying for years well before the pandemic. Brick and mortar in general giving way to online. The pandemic only accelerated some. Last hobby shop in this area is closing Saturday after being in business 90 years...new owner said he could not compete with web sales. I too think brick and mortar hobby shops (as well as some other retail stores) will have a tough time staying open, even after the pandemic appears to be under control. Me personally...I am so used to now buying nearly everything on-line (except groceries and lumber) and avoiding crowds (as advised to do), that visiting a hobby retailer or going to a train show to purchase model railroad products is a thing of the past. I do not think life (and business) will ever get back to normal, as we once knew it. Toy Train Heaven, MicroMark, Lombard Hobbies, ExactRail, Scale Trains and Tangent are where I do my on-line line shopping and waiting a few days for items to arrive is now an accepted part of my hobby. Same goes for slot cars. I wish it were different. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 26, 2021 21:13:32 GMT -8
Me personally...I am so used to now buying nearly everything on-line (except groceries and lumber) and avoiding crowds (as advised to do), that visiting a hobby retailer or going to a train show to purchase model railroad products is a thing of the past. So what happened when you tried to buy stuff recently at this local hobby shop that was closing? You, being a loyal customer, called up and said "I got a list. Sell me stuff"? And he handed it to you with a long stick? No, I guess not. Perhaps he just gave up. And decided to blame the on-line people. Probably makes sense, since so many model railroaders seem to be talking about "street price" these days. Hobby shops are closing because: Many model railroaders are CHEAP. Many hobby shop owners have no clue how to run a businesss. Many people don't realize that while the lowly hobby shop owner is waiting for Your Preciousness to deign to arrive, the rent-clock keeps ticking. And the number of people who think it would be Fun, or even Pleasant, to own a hobby shop are shrinking quickly. WHY would anyone want to do it? Ed |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 26, 2021 22:20:44 GMT -8
Me personally...I am so used to now buying nearly everything on-line (except groceries and lumber) and avoiding crowds (as advised to do), that visiting a hobby retailer or going to a train show to purchase model railroad products is a thing of the past. So what happened when you tried to buy stuff recently at this local hobby shop that was closing? You, being a loyal customer, called up and said "I got a list. Sell me stuff"? And he handed it to you with a long stick? No, I guess not. Perhaps he just gave up. And decided to blame the on-line people. Probably makes sense, since so many model railroaders seem to be talking about "street price" these days. Hobby shops are closing because: Many model railroaders are CHEAP. Many hobby shop owners have no clue how to run a businesss. Many people don't realize that while the lowly hobby shop owner is waiting for Your Preciousness to deign to arrive, the rent-clock keeps ticking. And the number of people who think it would be Fun, or even Pleasant, to own a hobby shop are shrinking quickly. WHY would anyone want to do it? Ed Owner was on local news station talking about closing their doors the end of January...that is how I heard about it...and I haven't been to that store in over a year. They served the area well for years. He admitted times have changed and that he couldn't compete with on-line retailers. ...nothing more than that. |
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