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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 27, 2021 6:06:05 GMT -8
So with MAP pricing dealers can not advertise prices lower that the MAP set by manufacturer. But yet many dealers actually sell below MAP.
As far as MB Klein is concerned, was wondering how they handle that situation when ordering via the web site. Do they in fact sell below MAP, an if so how is that reflected when you place an order.
TIA. Bob
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Post by riogrande on Mar 27, 2021 6:21:42 GMT -8
AFAIK, mbk does map pricing where required. After a certain period (30day?) They no longer are held to map.
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Post by jonklein611 on Mar 27, 2021 6:21:50 GMT -8
Most places for MAP type stuff, it shows the discounted price when you add it to your cart.
From Hogtrainz page:
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 28, 2021 5:03:34 GMT -8
I placed a Genesis engine in my cart, when thru checkout up to the point of entering CC info, and it still showed MAP. Maybe if you complete the CC info and actually place an order it reduces the price. I wasn't willing to take that chance.
That's why I posted this hoping someone had actually been thru the entire ordering process.
Bob
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Post by NS4122 on Mar 28, 2021 7:01:57 GMT -8
As far as Athearn products go, MB Klein sells at the MAP price. They used to advertise the MAP price and then had you put it in the cart to see their actual selling price, but that's not the case anymore. I was just looking at a Genesis SD70 that was released more than 90 days ago and Klein is still selling it at MAP price. KATO has a MAP policy too, but you get a lower price when you add something to the cart. The advertised price for a P42 with sound is $398, but the price in the cart is $299.99. I placed a Genesis engine in my cart, when thru checkout up to the point of entering CC info, and it still showed MAP. Maybe if you complete the CC info and actually place an order it reduces the price. I wasn't willing to take that chance. That's why I posted this hoping someone had actually been thru the entire ordering process. Bob |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 28, 2021 12:23:12 GMT -8
As far as Athearn products go, MB Klein sells at the MAP price. They used to advertise the MAP price and then had you put it in the cart to see their actual selling price, but that's not the case anymore. I was just looking at a Genesis SD70 that was released more than 90 days ago and Klein is still selling it at MAP price. KATO has a MAP policy too, but you get a lower price when you add something to the cart. The advertised price for a P42 with sound is $398, but the price in the cart is $299.99. I placed a Genesis engine in my cart, when thru checkout up to the point of entering CC info, and it still showed MAP. Maybe if you complete the CC info and actually place an order it reduces the price. I wasn't willing to take that chance. That's why I posted this hoping someone had actually been thru the entire ordering process. Bob Thanks, that's what I wanted verify. Thankfully there are other dealers you can buy from that sell Athearn Genesis below MAP. Bob |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 28, 2021 13:16:49 GMT -8
So with MAP pricing dealers can not advertise prices lower that the MAP set by manufacturer. But yet many dealers actually sell below MAP. As far as MB Klein is concerned, was wondering how they handle that situation when ordering via the web site. Do they in fact sell below MAP, an if so how is that reflected when you place an order. TIA. Bob "Add to cart to see price" |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 28, 2021 16:54:53 GMT -8
So with MAP pricing dealers can not advertise prices lower that the MAP set by manufacturer. But yet many dealers actually sell below MAP. As far as MB Klein is concerned, was wondering how they handle that situation when ordering via the web site. Do they in fact sell below MAP, an if so how is that reflected when you place an order. TIA. Bob "Add to cart to see price" As I indicated tried that and still showed MAP! |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 29, 2021 2:52:36 GMT -8
"Add to cart to see price" As I indicated tried that and still showed MAP! I would guess there's a problem with your browser or settings, then. It works exactly that way for me on Mac OS, Windows, and IOS, using Safari, Firefox, Chrome and Edge. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 29, 2021 3:02:06 GMT -8
My impression is the MAP pricing is something dealers are supposed to follow or they are breaking the agreement with the manufacturers. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Post by jonklein611 on Mar 29, 2021 3:50:07 GMT -8
My impression is the MAP pricing is something dealers are supposed to follow or they are breaking the agreement with the manufacturers. Otherwise, what's the point? It's the price shown on the website, this keeps someone from undercutting the price and getting the web crawlers to point to their page. The "reduced" price requires additional steps, so the web engines can't find it. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 29, 2021 3:57:53 GMT -8
I've never gotten that far into the weeds with MAP. But like nebzephyr, I clicked on items and the MAP prices still showed. If it was a price I didn't want to pay, it was a no sale. I guess the webcrawlers won.
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 29, 2021 6:18:38 GMT -8
OK, I tried this on 3 different browsers and got the same results. This is a snapshot of the page right before you enter CC info. Now MAYBE once you enter your CC info it reduces the price, but again not taking that chance. Bob  |
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Post by jonklein611 on Mar 29, 2021 6:21:05 GMT -8
OK, I tried this on 3 different browsers and got the same results. This is a snapshot of the page right before you enter CC info. Now MAYBE once you enter your CC info it reduces the price, but again not taking that chance. Bob It could be the case that they are required to hold MAP price for so many days after release. Maybe give them a call? FYI, Trainworld is listing the same model at $212.99 |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 29, 2021 6:46:25 GMT -8
[It could be the case that they are required to hold MAP price for so many days after release. Maybe give them a call? FYI, Trainworld is listing the same model at $212.99 I thought MAP pricing had to be held to for a particular amount of time, like 30 days. Then it no longer had to be enforced. Of course if you are in the MBK rewards club, you can get free shipping for orders $99 or over, so if you could get the good price there, it would save over Trainworld. Plus you earn reward points that can be redeemed for 15, 20 and 25 off coupon codes. |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 29, 2021 7:13:26 GMT -8
I just went to their website, and I don't see anything, anywhere, about the price being different than what is listed.
Here is a copy of what MAP looks like:
Kato N 1068706BNDL VRE Capital Commuter Complete Bundle 6-Unit Set
$275.00 (Add to cart for our price)
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Post by NS4122 on Mar 29, 2021 9:37:34 GMT -8
Bob, bnsf971 still doesn't get it. Just because it doesn't say MAP price doesn't mean it isn't. MBK lists Athearn at the MAP price (and they don't spell out that it's MAP price). Other Manufacturers that aren't as strict as Athearn (such as KATO) will allow lower pricing when put in the cart. While MBK doesn't lower their price after 90 days on Athearn, I've noticed that others such as Lombard Hobbies, Yankee Dabbler and Tony's Trains will lower their prices when MAP expires. BTW Lombard's is selling DCC ready triclops for 189.99. OK, I tried this on 3 different browsers and got the same results. This is a snapshot of the page right before you enter CC info. Now MAYBE once you enter your CC info it reduces the price, but again not taking that chance. Bob |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 30, 2021 6:44:47 GMT -8
Bob, bnsf971 still doesn't get it. Just because it doesn't say MAP price doesn't mean it isn't. MBK lists Athearn at the MAP price (and they don't spell out that it's MAP price). Other Manufacturers that aren't as strict as Athearn (such as KATO) will allow lower pricing when put in the cart. While MBK doesn't lower their price after 90 days on Athearn, I've noticed that others such as Lombard Hobbies, Yankee Dabbler and Tony's Trains will lower their prices when MAP expires. BTW Lombard's is selling DCC ready triclops for 189.99. OK, I tried this on 3 different browsers and got the same results. This is a snapshot of the page right before you enter CC info. Now MAYBE once you enter your CC info it reduces the price, but again not taking that chance. Bob Oh, I FULLY get MAP pricing. I ALSO FULLY get discount offers from MAP pricing, which obviously some people here refuse to get. If there is no "click here for price", there is no MAP discount. If you want it cheaper, take a chance on it still being there, and wait. If you want it, suck it up, Buttercup, and pay the price listed. |
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Post by lars on Mar 30, 2021 9:33:45 GMT -8
From Horizon's MAP policy dated 4/16/17 found here Retailer Guidelines 1. Advertisements must not state or imply the availability of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 2. Advertisement of coupons, rebates, gift cards, promotions or other discounts must not lower the advertised price of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 3. On-line advertisements of MAP Horizon Products must not offer in-the-cart prices or other offers that advertise a price below MAP. 4. Bundles of products that contain MAP Horizon Products must not be advertised lower than the combined MAP of all Horizon Products. 5. No efforts may be made to circumvent, evade or violate the letter or spirit of this Policy. Policy Violation Examples The following are examples of non-compliant conduct: 1. Horizon Product advertisements, other than those authorized by Horizon, stating a price lower than the MAP. 2. Horizon Product advertisements of a price with a line through it, strike-through, or other indication of a price lower than the MAP. (e.g., $299.99) 3. Horizon Product advertisements stating “Call for price”, “Click here for better price”, “Prices too low to mention”, “Our manufacturer won’t let us tell you the price”, “Make an offer”, “Log in to see lower prices”, or other language or symbols implicitly violating the spirit of MAP. There is no specification of how long MAP is in effect for a product. |
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Post by NS4122 on Mar 30, 2021 14:11:42 GMT -8
BINGO! M.B. Klein folllows this to the letter. From Horizon's MAP policy dated 4/16/17 found here Retailer Guidelines 1. Advertisements must not state or imply the availability of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 2. Advertisement of coupons, rebates, gift cards, promotions or other discounts must not lower the advertised price of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 3. On-line advertisements of MAP Horizon Products must not offer in-the-cart prices or other offers that advertise a price below MAP. 4. Bundles of products that contain MAP Horizon Products must not be advertised lower than the combined MAP of all Horizon Products. 5. No efforts may be made to circumvent, evade or violate the letter or spirit of this Policy. Policy Violation Examples The following are examples of non-compliant conduct: 1. Horizon Product advertisements, other than those authorized by Horizon, stating a price lower than the MAP. 2. Horizon Product advertisements of a price with a line through it, strike-through, or other indication of a price lower than the MAP. (e.g., $299.99) 3. Horizon Product advertisements stating “Call for price”, “Click here for better price”, “Prices too low to mention”, “Our manufacturer won’t let us tell you the price”, “Make an offer”, “Log in to see lower prices”, or other language or symbols implicitly violating the spirit of MAP. There is no specification of how long MAP is in effect for a product. |
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Post by kmaster on Mar 31, 2021 5:22:30 GMT -8
My only experience with them really was in the Baltimore stores, i went there a few times, never ordered from them online i usually use train world.
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 31, 2021 7:48:06 GMT -8
From Horizon's MAP policy dated 4/16/17 found here Retailer Guidelines 1. Advertisements must not state or imply the availability of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 2. Advertisement of coupons, rebates, gift cards, promotions or other discounts must not lower the advertised price of any MAP Horizon Product below MAP. 3. On-line advertisements of MAP Horizon Products must not offer in-the-cart prices or other offers that advertise a price below MAP. 4. Bundles of products that contain MAP Horizon Products must not be advertised lower than the combined MAP of all Horizon Products. 5. No efforts may be made to circumvent, evade or violate the letter or spirit of this Policy. Policy Violation Examples The following are examples of non-compliant conduct: 1. Horizon Product advertisements, other than those authorized by Horizon, stating a price lower than the MAP. 2. Horizon Product advertisements of a price with a line through it, strike-through, or other indication of a price lower than the MAP. (e.g., $299.99) 3. Horizon Product advertisements stating “Call for price”, “Click here for better price”, “Prices too low to mention”, “Our manufacturer won’t let us tell you the price”, “Make an offer”, “Log in to see lower prices”, or other language or symbols implicitly violating the spirit of MAP. There is no specification of how long MAP is in effect for a product. My experience with a couple dealers that DO sell below MAP on Athearn use this process.
1) they list the Athearn product at MAP on their web site 2) they verbally state the discount price to you on the phone
3) they will NOT sell via their website "ordering process" below MAP
4) they will manually invoice you at the discounted price, NOT via the web site
Seems like an "old school" way of doing business in today's environment, but in my experience it works if you want to get a discounted price.
Bob
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