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Post by jonklein611 on Sept 20, 2021 10:13:56 GMT -8
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Post by simulatortrain on Sept 20, 2021 12:11:19 GMT -8
How many of these can the market sustain?  |
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Post by bridge2nowhere on Sept 20, 2021 12:17:56 GMT -8
Won't get far with that side rod.
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Post by severn on Sept 20, 2021 16:28:04 GMT -8
I read through the product description. It's got smoke, "dynamic steam" whatever that is, two speakers in tbe tender, two figures in the cab and in the sound list "cab chatter"... All of which reminds of the kind of things they out in o scale.
Certainly nothing with any of it. Whether that's of interest here or over there, I've no idea.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 20, 2021 16:53:26 GMT -8
Dave Downer here: The side rod between #2 and #3 driver is shaped way wrong. The rivets are too big on the tender. WAY too big. The pilot truck is wrong--wheels too small and front wheels too far forward. It also looks kinda naked--lotsa detailing missing. One of those two speakers in the tender should have been moved up to the smokebox. Didn't anyone tell them the sound comes out of there, not the tender? On the plus side, based on previous Trix/Marklin stuff, it should run well and pull well. Two very nice things. Here, by the way, is an excellent photo for comparison:  DD |
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Post by jonklein611 on Sept 21, 2021 4:19:27 GMT -8
I've always put Trix on par with Kato. They have the capability to make a really nice product that runs extremely well and pulls tons of cars, but normally some modelling compromises were made along the way.
All their ICE trains are compressed to 1:100 scale so they play nicely on R1 curves popular in Europe. I'm sure there are similar compromises here so the thing can run on most of their customer's layouts.
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Post by jbilbrey on Sept 22, 2021 18:20:52 GMT -8
I've always put Trix on par with Kato. They have the capability to make a really nice product that runs extremely well and pulls tons of cars, but normally some modelling compromises were made along the way. All their ICE trains are compressed to 1:100 scale so they play nicely on R1 curves popular in Europe. I'm sure there are similar compromises here so the thing can run on most of their customer's layouts. I often call Kato "The Tamiya of the Model Railroad World". Like Tamiya, Kato can produce some impressive models. But, one has to accept certain compromises because that is just how Kato does things. As far as the Trix FEF-4 goes, I agree that there are likely certain compromises in the design like the design of the leading truck. Also, there appears to be too much daylight visible under the boiler behind the cylinders; I wonder if the either the drivers are slightly smaller in diameter, the boiler is too small, or a combination of the two. A R1 radius curve is around 23.6" radius - not as bad as a 18" radius curve but probably still sharper than anything the prototype could manage to navigate. |
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Post by severn on Sept 22, 2021 18:56:34 GMT -8
The pilot wheels in the model have a narrower black section effecting the perception of their diameter. Which doesn't mean they are correct.
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Post by jonklein611 on Sept 23, 2021 3:59:52 GMT -8
I've always put Trix on par with Kato. They have the capability to make a really nice product that runs extremely well and pulls tons of cars, but normally some modelling compromises were made along the way. All their ICE trains are compressed to 1:100 scale so they play nicely on R1 curves popular in Europe. I'm sure there are similar compromises here so the thing can run on most of their customer's layouts. I often call Kato "The Tamiya of the Model Railroad World". Like Tamiya, Kato can produce some impressive models. But, one has to accept certain compromises because that is just how Kato does things. As far as the Trix FEF-4 goes, I agree that there are likely certain compromises in the design like the design of the leading truck. Also, there appears to be too much daylight visible under the boiler behind the cylinders; I wonder if the either the drivers are slightly smaller in diameter, the boiler is too small, or a combination of the two. A R1 radius curve is around 23.6" radius - not as bad as a 18" radius curve but probably still sharper than anything the prototype could manage to navigate. R1 is 360mm (14 inch) radius. |
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Post by Gino Damen on Sept 23, 2021 10:46:55 GMT -8
This engine can probebly handle R1. Even the Trix Big Boy (I have one) can handle R1. Looks awefull, but it just works.
Gino
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Post by jbilbrey on Sept 23, 2021 20:20:10 GMT -8
I often call Kato "The Tamiya of the Model Railroad World". Like Tamiya, Kato can produce some impressive models. But, one has to accept certain compromises because that is just how Kato does things. As far as the Trix FEF-4 goes, I agree that there are likely certain compromises in the design like the design of the leading truck. Also, there appears to be too much daylight visible under the boiler behind the cylinders; I wonder if the either the drivers are slightly smaller in diameter, the boiler is too small, or a combination of the two. A R1 radius curve is around 23.6" radius - not as bad as a 18" radius curve but probably still sharper than anything the prototype could manage to navigate. R1 is 360mm (14 inch) radius. LOL, that's what I get for not believing the first thing I saw in a Google Search. Thanks for correcting me  |
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Post by lvrr325 on Sept 23, 2021 21:19:39 GMT -8
R1 sounds like the HO equivalent of O27
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Post by riogrande on Sept 24, 2021 2:56:46 GMT -8
If you google R1 radius, it comes up with G/LGB versions that show as 23.6". Add HO to the search term and 14.2" radius shows up. It looks to be a European standard with the radius listed primarily in metric (mm).
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Post by mdvle on Sept 24, 2021 5:28:06 GMT -8
The description says minimum R2 (17.25") so a bit better than R1 but not by much.
I suspect the real market for this is the 3-rail/AC Marklin people and Trix collectors as it isn't price competitive with Athearn (at least in the US).
The €699 converts to $688 (conversion after removing VAT), and a US importer is selling it at $720.
Athearn announced their Genesis version back in April with a list price of $740 and I can find at least one retailer selling at $629.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 24, 2021 7:44:54 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this:  Got me two! Ed |
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Post by grabirons on Sept 24, 2021 9:25:29 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this: Got me two! Ed I wish they would do another run of these, but that is not likely yet, for a long time. Imagine what they may have had in the pipeline? |
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Post by mdvle on Sept 24, 2021 11:38:19 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this:
Don't know how well the Brits would take to being called European...
More to the point, there is a difference between that Hornby product - which was designed for the US market - and the Marklin/Trix model of this thread that was designed for the European market with it's greater constraints on space and the presumed less concern about accuracy (at least for models of US prototypes).
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Post by cera2254 on Sept 24, 2021 11:47:11 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this: Got me two! Ed I wish they would do another run of these, but that is not likely yet, for a long time. Imagine what they may have had in the pipeline? I’ve been hoping Conrail ones aren’t too far down the pike, considering how bad the paint is on the Korea Brass models. |
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Post by es80ac on Sept 25, 2021 15:11:35 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this: Got me two! Ed Is this the Rivarossi version or Korea Brass version? |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 25, 2021 15:42:07 GMT -8
Rivarossi.
Ed
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 25, 2021 15:47:21 GMT -8
When I put my pouty face on, stamp my tiny foot, and declare that those darn Europeans just don't UNDERSTAND us, I recall this: Don't know how well the Brits would take to being called European... I think it's that "Rivarossi" word that threw me. Hey. I have an idea........ Ed |
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