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Post by NYSW3614 on Oct 16, 2021 2:24:13 GMT -8
Good news. Go to about 7:30 here:
Beyond the history of the 460 "Lindbergh Engine" (and that it survives) hopefully this will sell well- examples were in service for over 40 years and good news for Long Island and PRSL modelers too!
Joshua
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Post by markfj on Oct 16, 2021 5:46:13 GMT -8
The E6 is one locomotive I’ve been wanting for a while now. Originally I thought of building up an old Penn Line/Bowser kit, but found out that the boiler is shaped wrong and valve gear is not correct either.  Thanks, Mark |
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Post by jbilbrey on Oct 16, 2021 6:45:19 GMT -8
A Pennsy E6 would be the perfect locomotive for a "pike sized" passenger train on a PRR-themed layout. Not everyone has the space for a T1 or "The General".
A friend has the Bowser E6 that he picked up at a show that had been super-detailed. It is a beautiful locomotive, showing what modelers could do with these basic cast-metal locmotive kits, a bunch of Cal-scale parts, and a lot of work. But, talk about a tank. I'll bet that it would easily out pull the BLI E6 if it came down to a tug-of-war.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Oct 16, 2021 8:12:07 GMT -8
That is one ugly lokie! But it is so ugly and chunky, I actually like it.
So for is mostly western modeler not in the know for anything Pennsy, was the E6s exclusively a passenger engine, or was there some mixed use? Was it mostly NY/NJ, or did they roam?
TIA, Jim
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 16, 2021 8:52:50 GMT -8
Going to guess the Penn Line tooling shared boilers on the 4-4-2 and 4-6-0.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Oct 16, 2021 13:33:53 GMT -8
The proportions are all messed up, but it sure is attractively ugly! E6s 4-4-2 |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 16, 2021 14:07:10 GMT -8
Going to guess the Penn Line tooling shared boilers on the 4-4-2 and 4-6-0. 2-8-0, I believe. Not 4-6-0. Ed |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 16, 2021 14:18:44 GMT -8
The proportions are all messed up, but it sure is attractively ugly! E6s 4-4-2It's tough to pull off an attractive Atlantic! Here's one that's pretty nice:  Here's one I like even better:  and here's another:  I think, generally, you want large drivers and a spindly looking trailing truck. Inside valve gear helps, as does a smallish diameter boiler. Note that the Grand Trunk is a 4-cylinder compound--most excellent!!! Ed |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 15:53:56 GMT -8
Thank goodness that they're finally doing an E6.
There was a rumor that scale trains was going to do an E6, I wonder what happened to that. I wonder if they are going to get hit with their own in development, or if they sold the research off to BLI to focus on the MTH acquisition.
Either way, this is a desperately needed model. I'm glad to see them making it.
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Post by jbilbrey on Oct 16, 2021 17:22:40 GMT -8
That is one ugly lokie! But it is so ugly and chunky, I actually like it. So for is mostly western modeler not in the know for anything Pennsy, was the E6s exclusively a passenger engine, or was there some mixed use? Was it mostly NY/NJ, or did they roam? TIA, Jim I'm not a S-P-F, but it appears that they were mostly used in passenger service with occasional service pulling milk trains. The bulk of the photos I have found are captioned in MD, NJ, NY, & PA. The farthest west I found a photo of one was IN. |
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Post by pjm20 on Oct 16, 2021 18:13:36 GMT -8
The boiler on the E6 was also used for the G5 (4-6-0) and H8, H9, and H10 (2-8-0). The E6 was a passenger engine that was found all over the PRR with vary assignments depending on the era. If you count milk trains as freight trains, then the E6 was used on passenger and freight trains.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 18:36:11 GMT -8
The boiler on the E6 was also used for the G5 (4-6-0) and H8, H9, and H10 (2-8-0). The E6 was a passenger engine that was found all over the PRR with vary assignments depending on the era. If you count milk trains as freight trains, then the E6 was used on passenger and freight trains. I didn't realize that. Hopefully that means another run of H10s too! |
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Post by NYSW3614 on Oct 17, 2021 3:31:37 GMT -8
Some quick factoids:
83 were built
At one time or another seen system wide, but regulars NJ-DC pre juice and K4
Three (?) made it until basically the end of steam- 460, 1600, and ?
First, 5075, debuted in 1910, bulk came in 1914 after much testing
Variations with valve gear/extended piston rods
Premier power until the K4s came in the 1920s
Actually replaced K4s on the Detroit-Chicago Detroit and Chicago Arrows!
One was converted to oil briefly for Baltimore, MD area service
While I'm not a PRR modeler and I model post-steam, I've always had a soft spot for Atlantics- will be getting one.
Joshua
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Oct 17, 2021 10:57:56 GMT -8
That is one ugly lokie! But it is so ugly and chunky, I actually like it. So for is mostly western modeler not in the know for anything Pennsy, was the E6s exclusively a passenger engine, or was there some mixed use? Was it mostly NY/NJ, or did they roam? TIA, Jim According to a Wikipedia article: "They were largely assigned to main line limiteds between Jersey City or Manhattan Transfer and either Washington, DC or Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, although they sometimes ran through to Altoona, Pennsylvania. Larger locomotives were generally used on the mountain grades past Altoona." And some were leased to Long Island RR at some point in time. Which largely comports with the locations given with photographs I've seen over the years. And almost always on passenger trains. Pennsy had lotsa other small steam power for freight locals. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 17, 2021 19:26:46 GMT -8
I actually bought a Penn Line/Bowser one today cheap so I think I can compare them.
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Post by pjm20 on Oct 18, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -8
I actually bought a Penn Line/Bowser one today cheap so I think I can compare them. There is a good article in the September 1978 MR about how to combine a Bowser and Roundhouse E6s into a model that is much more prototypical and runs better. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Oct 19, 2021 5:59:00 GMT -8
I was thinking it was a diesel E6 not steam and would be bit more interesting.
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Post by talltim on Oct 19, 2021 6:34:36 GMT -8
I have a brass one that needs some work and a better paint job. I might be tempted to replace it with one that didn't need owrk, but I'd much prefer an H6
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 19, 2021 6:39:41 GMT -8
I see this loco pulling a couple of coaches on a layout. And I'll bet a lot of other people do, too.
How many small layouts have we seen with a passenger station tucked in one of the four corners, or on a 3' long siding? A train like this would look just right.
Ed
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Post by markfj on Oct 19, 2021 9:32:08 GMT -8
There was concern that this new BLI model will not have the truck bearing detail like was missing on the L1 models. However, someone on the PRR group posted these closeup photos of the sample model that confirm the bearing detail is indeed present.   PRR 1600 heading back to Reading in 1951.  Thanks, Mark |
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Post by NYSW3614 on Feb 2, 2022 11:22:58 GMT -8
UPDATE: BLI posted some nice looking sample photos of this project to their Facebook page today. No announcement yet.
Joshua
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Post by NYSW3614 on Feb 8, 2022 9:54:45 GMT -8
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Post by GP40P-2 on Feb 8, 2022 19:06:17 GMT -8
That SP "Daylight" one is just soooooooo wrong.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 8, 2022 20:14:16 GMT -8
Do ya suppose when they do the SP Daylight Atlantic, they'll do a Pennsy version?
Ed
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 8, 2022 21:42:04 GMT -8
Says it's a Trainworld exclusive, so maybe six months after they arrive you'll be able to buy them for $149.95 on clearance.
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Post by markfj on Feb 9, 2022 4:30:21 GMT -8
^^^ Man, I hope so! I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw the pricing on these. I’ll gladly wait and get the SP at a discount and do a repaint. That will be good enough for me.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 9, 2022 14:25:21 GMT -8
web page needs one of those stickers I've been seeing on the gas pumps put on there somewhere pointing at those prices
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Post by NYSW3614 on Mar 25, 2022 4:41:47 GMT -8
Decorated samples have now been posted: www.broadway-limited.com/paragon4prre6atlanticho.aspxAfter reviewing them with a PRR guru, we noticed that some seem to lack back up tender lights (but some did actually in real life so not familiar which exactly ones should have them) and the tender deck at the rear doesn't match the rivet line (they should be at the same level?) Joshua |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 25, 2022 5:20:55 GMT -8
I see a "back up tender light". Certainly funny looking, though. I agree about the tender deck:  I'm not thrilled about that horizontal seam underneath the handrails. Ed |
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