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Post by riogrande on Jul 19, 2022 5:51:31 GMT -8
Stephen Priest in that photo reminds me a bit of actor Jeff Goldblum.
The new well care looks pretty nice, but post dates my modeling time frame. If he comes out with anything for early 80's or 70's, that would be cool.
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Post by joppasub on Jul 19, 2022 12:32:15 GMT -8
They do indeed look very nice. I am looking forward to seeing what else they bring to the table...circu 1979...They also stated they would be introducing locomotives too. So this could be very interesting for HO scale. |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jul 19, 2022 15:22:16 GMT -8
The painted car does indeed look nice. The yellow is a lot more accurate than the chromate color Scaletrains has used on their Trailer Train cars in the past. I think the biggest paint flaw is the black background around the logo and road number. There is yellow showing through around the ribs and the strip along the bottom edge of the car. That means the black is pad printed rather than stenciled and spray painted. It's a minor issue though, and can easily be covered with weathering or touch-up paint. The best feature of the car is the plumbing. The brake detail on the end platforms looks really nice, and the plumbing along the sides are also separate pieces under the ribs, meaning the ribs are also separately-applied. The design work and research look top-notch. I also appreciate the number of paint schemes offered, from as-built to Moving Forward. The distinction between Speed Lettering (as-built) and Speed Lettering with reflective striping (Intermediate) is an important one, and not often modeled in one run. I can't think of the last time the same scheme was offered with and without reflective stripes in the same run of cars. |
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Post by nstophat on Jul 19, 2022 15:33:01 GMT -8
I have always liked this car, but what really set the hook for me was the NS Triple Crown containers.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 20, 2022 19:46:32 GMT -8
I also appreciate the number of paint schemes offered, from as-built to Moving Forward. The distinction between Speed Lettering (as-built) and Speed Lettering with reflective striping (Intermediate) is an important one, and not often modeled in one run. I can't think of the last time the same scheme was offered with and without reflective stripes in the same run of cars. There's actually been a number of them in the past few years. A few that come quickly to mind: - Atlas ACF 5701 Covered Hopper in the yellow ADM Molecule scheme (way back in 2007): They did two numbers in the same run, one in original paint and one slightly fade with reflective stripes. It was actually a bit difficult to see the stripes, since they were close to the color of the car body. - Atlas FMC 5077 Box Car in the CSX blue scheme: They did two numbers without and two numbers with reflective stripes in the same run, if I recall correctly. - Tangent Greenville 86' Box Car in the CSX blue scheme: They did three numbers without and two with reflective stripes. - Athearn FMC 4700 covered hopper in BN "bland" scheme: They did two numbers without reflective stripes and one with, although the one with them was a slightly different variation, in that it had BURLINGTON NORTHERN spelled out on it, instead of just plain reporting marks. I think there's been a few other Athearn FMC 4700 hopper schemes like that, where it wasn't quite clear with the initial announcement that in a batch of three of one paint scheme, some would have stripes and others wouldn't. I had to look at them carefully before ordering, because I model the '90s before the stripes were added. Regardless, you make a great point about this model. I agree that it's great how they're producing that subtle paint scheme variation. I had to look at prototype photos to confirm the difference. I noticed that for my era (~1996), I'll want to use the as-delivered scheme but blank out the LT WT data, which seems to have been done a couple years after delivery. I'm really looking forward to this model. It's a rare prototype, but I've caught one in person, and it's very distinctive. It looks like it will set a high bar for future well car models. Dave |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 21, 2022 17:02:40 GMT -8
It looks like it will set a high bar for future well car models. I'm not seeing anything in this model that hasn't been done before with cars like the 10 year old Atlas 3-unit Thralls, except maybe the cut levers. I count 42 bits of folded photo etched brass attached to the cars, and that's not including the walkways. Yes, this new car is very nice looking, indeed. And I'll get one. Maybe two. But I'm missing the high bar they're setting. Of course, maybe I'm just not seeing what's right before my eyes. It does happen. If we're gonna get "goofy" looking cars, I'd like to see these next:  DTTX 763000-763049, built 2014 Ed |
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Post by drolsen on Jul 21, 2022 17:56:30 GMT -8
It looks like it will set a high bar for future well car models. I'm not seeing anything in this model that hasn't been done before with cars like the 10 year old Atlas 3-unit Thralls, except maybe the cut levers. I count 42 bits of folded photo etched brass attached to the cars, and that's not including the walkways. I don't own any of the Atlas cars, but I can immediately see the difference with the separate brake lines that run along the sides of the well, a big Thrall spotting feature for me. The best superdetailed Thralls by modelers like Doug Geiger immediately show that prototype feature off, with separate lines applied between the ribs. On this TWF10 model, the ribs are separately applied so the lines can run continuously along the car side. From what I can see, the Atlas model has those molded on the sides of the well, and they just terminate at the well end. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what it looks like to me in photos and video reviews of the Atlas Thrall. The other difference is that the TWF10 model has a metal well body with separate details applied to it, allowing it to operate reliable when empty. The reviews I've seen say that the Atlas Thrall is too light to run empty, and containers usually need weight added. Again, I've never handled an Atlas set because it's too new for my modeling era, so please correct me if I'm off. Looking at the top down view of the brake details on the Class One Model Works Facebook page, I can't imagine the Atlas car replicates that level of detail, including the valves and other connections shown on this model: www.facebook.com/classonemodelworks/photos/a.108293518537191/145818621451347/Dave |
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Post by cemr5396 on Jul 21, 2022 18:31:00 GMT -8
I just want a NSC 3x53' articulated well car, is that really too much to ask?
Considering they seem to be the mainstay of the TTX fleet (CN and I think BNSF have them too) I can't believe we still don't have a model of them.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 21, 2022 19:40:23 GMT -8
I don't own any of the Atlas cars, but I can immediately see the difference with the separate brake lines that run along the sides of the well, a big Thrall spotting feature for me. The best superdetailed Thralls by modelers like Doug Geiger immediately show that prototype feature off, with separate lines applied between the ribs. On this TWF10 model, the ribs are separately applied so the lines can run continuously along the car side. From what I can see, the Atlas model has those molded on the sides of the well, and they just terminate at the well end. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what it looks like to me in photos and video reviews of the Atlas Thrall. Yes. The lines on the Atlas are cast on. They also look cast-on on the TWF10 model. To me. However. If the ribs are applied separately to allow a continuous run for the air lines, I suspect the joint and the alignment of the ribs will be a big potential fail for this model. The Atlas model is very light, and needs weighted containers. So do Intermountain and Athearn and ScaleTrains. The only well cars I know of that pretty much match NMRA weight are the Walthers cars. These new ones may also make NMRA weight. We will have to wait until they can be weighed. That looks very nice. VERY nice! The Atlas cars do have air lines going here and there, up on the decks. I don't know if any are missing, however. Ed |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 22, 2022 6:01:06 GMT -8
Here's a video showing the model: It's got some very nice features. Properly assembled, it will indeed be the best looking HO well car. Whenever lots of pieces are added to make a complex RTR model, we depend on the assemblers to get it right. Well, I'll add in the designers, whose job is to make the assembler's job easier. For example: one of the added-on side ribs in the video is crooked. This is on a model that the company was going to use to show off its new product. Happily, most of the rest of the parts are looking pretty straight and square. Also a potential problem is ACC spreading out from the glue joint. Ed |
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Post by trainboyy on Jul 22, 2022 7:42:37 GMT -8
It looks like it will set a high bar for future well car models. I'm not seeing anything in this model that hasn't been done before with cars like the 10 year old Atlas 3-unit Thralls, except maybe the cut levers. I count 42 bits of folded photo etched brass attached to the cars, and that's not including the walkways. Yes, this new car is very nice looking, indeed. And I'll get one. Maybe two. But I'm missing the high bar they're setting. Of course, maybe I'm just not seeing what's right before my eyes. It does happen. If we're gonna get "goofy" looking cars, I'd like to see these next: DTTX 763000-763049, built 2014 Ed They were all scrapped in 2020... not really worth it. Something like the TWF10 has lasted for about 30, and is still on the rails. While I agree they're a very interesting prototype, the fact that they barely lasted 5 years pretty much eliminates any chance of them being produced. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 22, 2022 8:08:30 GMT -8
Yikes. Did not know that.
Ah, well. Clearly a scratchbuilder's delight.
Ed
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Post by cemr5396 on Jul 22, 2022 10:48:39 GMT -8
I'm not seeing anything in this model that hasn't been done before with cars like the 10 year old Atlas 3-unit Thralls, except maybe the cut levers. I count 42 bits of folded photo etched brass attached to the cars, and that's not including the walkways. Yes, this new car is very nice looking, indeed. And I'll get one. Maybe two. But I'm missing the high bar they're setting. Of course, maybe I'm just not seeing what's right before my eyes. It does happen. If we're gonna get "goofy" looking cars, I'd like to see these next: DTTX 763000-763049, built 2014 Ed They were all scrapped in 2020... not really worth it. Something like the TWF10 has lasted for about 30, and is still on the rails. While I agree they're a very interesting prototype, the fact that they barely lasted 5 years pretty much eliminates any chance of them being produced. ah, that explains why I haven't seen one around in forever... |
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Post by trainboyy on Jul 22, 2022 11:09:26 GMT -8
Yikes. Did not know that. Ah, well. Clearly a scratchbuilder's delight. Ed It was because they were having several structural integrity problems (in layman's terms, they were sagging and falling apart because of stress at certain points along the carbody). |
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Post by bnsftall on Jul 22, 2022 13:12:26 GMT -8
100% agree on this! dt I just want a NSC 3x53' articulated well car, is that really too much to ask? Considering they seem to be the mainstay of the TTX fleet (CN and I think BNSF have them too) I can't believe we still don't have a model of them. |
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Post by cklx on Jul 22, 2022 13:25:08 GMT -8
Didn't Walthers do a NSC articulated well car? Or were they drawbar connected?
Cornelius.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 22, 2022 14:22:57 GMT -8
The Walthers cars are drawbar. They also have singles.
Ed
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Post by lars on Jul 27, 2022 3:39:31 GMT -8
I’m glad to see that another company is entering the world of HO models. It’s a great sign to see folks with enough optimism in the market to start up or enter the US, with two companies having done so in the past year. While this forum is generally void of “the hobby is dying” type threads, I like to point to these examples when the gloom and doom type voice their opinion.
Now to poke the bear a bit, I think that entry of another player in the high fidelity model game also gives an indication of the potential profitability of this segment - enough that two companies see enough potential to establish themselves in the US and give things a go.
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Post by sp8234tim on Jul 27, 2022 7:54:17 GMT -8
100% agree on this! dt I just want a NSC 3x53' articulated well car, is that really too much to ask? Considering they seem to be the mainstay of the TTX fleet (CN and I think BNSF have them too) I can't believe we still don't have a model of them. I also agree 100% Tim Hanesworth |
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 27, 2022 8:38:21 GMT -8
I’m glad to see that another company is entering the world of HO models. It’s a great sign to see folks with enough optimism in the market to start up or enter the US, with two companies having done so in the past year. I am drawing a blank here: Who is the other one? |
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Post by TBird1958 on Jul 27, 2022 9:46:11 GMT -8
I’m glad to see that another company is entering the world of HO models. It’s a great sign to see folks with enough optimism in the market to start up or enter the US, with two companies having done so in the past year. I am drawing a blank here: Who is the other one? Isn't it Aurora with an SD50F and a planned C36-7? |
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Post by lars on Jul 27, 2022 16:29:27 GMT -8
Yes, I was thinking of Aurora.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 27, 2022 17:05:41 GMT -8
These new 48' containers are going to have cast on latch bars. I thought we were getting away from this sort of thing.  The last new containers I bought even had opening doors! Ed |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jul 27, 2022 18:24:01 GMT -8
These new 48' containers are going to have cast on latch bars. I thought we were getting away from this sort of thing. I saw the lack of separate latch bars from the photos on their website. That puts them in Walthers or A-Line territory. It's a bit disappointing, especially when you consider the price. The containers are $15 each. Walthers has a sale on their containers, between 10 and 12 dollars. Here's the exact same container model at Walthers, molded-in door bars and everything: www.walthers.com/48-stoughton-ribside-exterior-post-container-assembled-norfolk-southern-triple-crown-white-black-redAthearn containers are $29 for a 3-pack of 40' containers at Lombard ($10 each) and $39 dollars for the 48 foot 3-pack ($13 dollars each) at Modeltrainstuff. Granted, the Athearn 48 foot container is older tooling, but the detail is comparable. Containers are something you need a lot of. To fill a train or intermodal terminal, the price adds up quickly. In terms of separately applied detail and competitive pricing, Class One loses at both. Their win is in the painting department. The painted ribs look nice, hopefully that's worth the extra price over similar containers from other brands. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 27, 2022 20:39:35 GMT -8
Athearn's been doing aluminum ribs for awhile: voila:  of course, they're wrong. But they're aluminum! Ed |
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 28, 2022 3:55:01 GMT -8
Yes, I was thinking of Aurora. Oh! I had forgotten about them; I think in my head I must've thought they were vaporware. |
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Post by trainguy99 on Jul 28, 2022 5:18:24 GMT -8
The Walthers cars are drawbar. They also have singles. Ed It wouldn't be a huge surprise if they decide to do the articulated version as well. |
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Post by el3625 on Aug 13, 2022 9:08:35 GMT -8
From the national train show they showed a heavy-duty depressed center flat, now that is what I have been waiting for someone to do for a long time! I have a few loads to put on these.
Bruce
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 13, 2022 9:38:20 GMT -8
From the national train show they showed a heavy-duty depressed center flat, now that is what I have been waiting for someone to do for a long time! I have a few loads to put on these. Bruce These appear to be the same cars that E&P brought in in brass. They should be good for: NYC, PC, NH, LV, UP, B&O, MKT, MP, SLSF, ATSF, NKP, CR, PRR, NW, GE and I'm pretty sure SP, too. Maybe others. This depressed center car is likely the most common "common" design of any such car. Railroads (or anyone, even YOU) could buy the body from General Steel Castings, and build their own. This will be a big seller! Ed |
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 14, 2022 9:31:03 GMT -8
From the national train show they showed a heavy-duty depressed center flat, now that is what I have been waiting for someone to do for a long time! I have a few loads to put on these. Bruce These appear to be the same cars that E&P brought in in brass. They should be good for: NYC, PC, NH, LV, UP, B&O, MKT, MP, SLSF, ATSF, NKP, CR, PRR, NW, GE and I'm pretty sure SP, too. Maybe others. This depressed center car is likely the most common "common" design of any such car. Railroads (or anyone, even YOU) could buy the body from General Steel Castings, and build their own. This will be a big seller! Ed Ed...
According to Jim Eager on the MFCL, the new GSC 125T depressed center flat will be good for...
ACL (SCL), ATSF, B&O (CSXT), C&EI (L&N, MP), CofG (SOU, NS), D&H, DODX, ERIE (EL, CR), GM&O (ICG), IC (ICG), L&N (SBD, CSXT), LV (CR), MKT, MP, N&W (NS), NC&StL (L&N), NH (PC, CR), NKP (NW, NS), NSIX, NYC (PC, CR), PRR (PC, CR). PSIX, RDG (CR), RI, SAL (SCL), SLSF, SOO, SOU (NS), SP, SSW, UP, WAB (NW, NS).
That's a lot of railroads. Only down-side for them, perhaps, is that a lot of people might only buy one.
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