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Post by iccn1000 on Oct 24, 2014 7:24:44 GMT -8
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Post by mlehman on Oct 24, 2014 9:10:57 GMT -8
Nothing much I need, but did see a DCC/sound-ready SD40/45 frame that could make my life easier when I get my ducks in a row to add sound to my SD45s. They've also got the freight trucks with electrical pickup available as parts. Not a price complaint per se but it's kinda weird that a pair of Roadway pups costs you $37, while a RTR passenger car is only $30. When did trucks get more valuable in a hobby about railroading???  |
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Post by bigblow69 on Oct 24, 2014 10:18:11 GMT -8
Nothing much I need, but did see a DCC/sound-ready SD40/45 frame that could make my life easier when I get my ducks in a row to add sound to my SD45s. They've also got the freight trucks with electrical pickup available as parts. Not a price complaint per se but it's kinda weird that a pair of Roadway pups costs you $37, while a RTR passenger car is only $30. When did trucks get more valuable in a hobby about railroading??? Its just like containers. There are probably a lot of people who model trucks/intermodal that don't model trains. I agree the price of some of this stuff is approaching insanity levels but if people are willing to pay and not say no...... |
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Post by Spikre on Oct 24, 2014 10:36:36 GMT -8
 Mike, these "Pups" are the former RPP kits,have You built any ? they had a few glitches to over come,then they had to be painted and lettered/decaled. they were worth about $20.00 assembled,but $37.00 does seem to be getting steep. for that matter $30.00 for the old BB Streamline or Heavyweight cars is outrageous also. wont pay those prices here for formerly rather reasonable priced kits. Spikre 
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Post by mlehman on Oct 24, 2014 10:45:02 GMT -8
Glad to know they're not some recycled Blue Box stuff at least, Spikre. That's actually kinda good news. I can see the price being better justified. The bad news is I still have to take a pass.
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Post by bnsffan on Oct 24, 2014 11:19:11 GMT -8
Spikre,
Do you buy candy bars? I don't very often. If I remember correctly, the last time I bought a nickel candy bar I paid a buck and a half. It used to sell for a nickel, so it should be the same price today. They haven't improved the candy bar. It is the same as that nickel bar I used to buy sixty years ago.
Respectfully,
BNSF Fan
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Post by Spikre on Oct 24, 2014 11:28:21 GMT -8
 BNSFFAN, there is No mention of what the Price Today should be, just that they seem High to me. in that vein its been years since any Over Priced Formerly Nickel or Dime candy bars have been purchased here. rather keep the teeth than eat candy bars regularly. won't pay $1.00 or more for formerly .10 cent Ring Dings either. would rather they be a Treat occiasionally. Read what is Printed,not what You think may be there. Spikre 
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Post by riogrande on Oct 24, 2014 11:49:01 GMT -8
Sure, we know stuff is getting more expensive - we get it, but I'll just throw this into the price mix, the prices of hobby products have been going up rapidly while our wages have stagnated or gone down during the past 6 years. That does make it harder to afford new hobby products in recent years. The five cent candy bar didn't even exist when I was a teen so that's really reaching! Anyhow, available income has been shrinking for me as my expenses rise faster than my income - all I can do is buy less of the expensive stuff.
I did note the wedge trailers, not sure when those were used although they look like they would be good for the 80's - yeah the MSRP was nutty. Thankfully I've pretty well filled out my need for trailers with that past runs of Athearn (A-line) Fruehaufs and Front Range/Mckean/Accurail Brae trailers.
The Berwick 60's box cars would be appropriate for my modeling era, everything else is off my radar on this announcement.
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Post by bigblow69 on Oct 24, 2014 15:17:13 GMT -8
Sure, we know stuff is getting more expensive - we get it, but I'll just throw this into the price mix, the prices of hobby products have been going up rapidly while our wages have stagnated or gone down during the past 6 years. That does make it harder to afford new hobby products in recent years. The five cent candy bar didn't even exist when I was a teen so that's really reaching! Anyhow, available income has been shrinking for me as my expenses rise faster than my income - all I can do is buy less of the expensive stuff. I did note the wedge trailers, not sure when those were used although they look like they would be good for the 80's - yeah the MSRP was nutty. Thankfully I've pretty well filled out my need for trailers with that past runs of Athearn (A-line) Fruehaufs and Front Range/Mckean/Accurail Brae trailers. The Berwick 60's box cars would be appropriate for my modeling era, everything else is off my radar on this announcement. Stagflation - persistent inflation combined with stagnant consumer demand and relatively high unemployment. All orders I had outstanding with Athearn and others have been cancelled. Too much uncertainty & general quality issues. And lets face it the ever decreasing demographic of people buying pre-order stuff has to be shrinking as is the number of people in the hobby in general. Hopefully some sort of adaptation in the marketplace will occur. |
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Post by alcoc430 on Oct 24, 2014 17:54:15 GMT -8
Nothing of interest, been that way since the CR SDP45 announcement in March and nothing before that since their GP40-2W was announced in 4/2013. On average about one announcement per year of something I want.  |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 24, 2014 17:56:07 GMT -8
That assumes you can figure out how to pre order.
And then that it works.
As for prices, the more they go up, the less I buy. Same with Candy Bars.
It is a hobby chasing disposable income. Importers need to keep that in mind.
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Post by atsfan on Oct 24, 2014 17:58:51 GMT -8
The BNSF GEVO's without sound came and went, fast.
Another run now for next summer.
That is a long way off.
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Post by tdspeedracer on Oct 25, 2014 4:55:00 GMT -8
Not a price complaint per se but it's kinda weird that a pair of Roadway pups costs you $37, while a RTR passenger car is only $30. When did trucks get more valuable in a hobby about railroading??? I'm not going to beat around the bush about it. It's nuts. The only thing this announcement did for me is comfirm that last weekends flea market find is going to be worth while for a cheapskate like myself... A-line pup trailers for $5 a pair. Most of which already came with roadway, and yellow decals. I'll get to enjoy putting them together, and got to save some dough. Don't get any better than that in my book. Trevor |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 25, 2014 5:51:05 GMT -8
Not a price complaint per se but it's kinda weird that a pair of Roadway pups costs you $37, while a RTR passenger car is only $30. When did trucks get more valuable in a hobby about railroading??? I'm not going to beat around the bush about it. It's nuts. The only thing this announcement did for me is comfirm that last weekends flea market find is going to be worth while for a cheapskate like myself... A-line pup trailers for $5 a pair. Most of which already came with roadway, and yellow decals. I'll get to enjoy putting them together, and got to save some dough. Don't get any better than that in my book. Trevor One good thing coming from these ridiculous price levels is people (including me) are accumulating less and maybe using existing stuff more. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 8:02:58 GMT -8
Sure, we know stuff is getting more expensive - we get it, but I'll just throw this into the price mix, the prices of hobby products have been going up rapidly while our wages have stagnated or gone down during the past 6 years. That does make it harder to afford new hobby products in recent years. The five cent candy bar didn't even exist when I was a teen so that's really reaching! Anyhow, available income has been shrinking for me as my expenses rise faster than my income - all I can do is buy less of the expensive stuff. With the fast raising prices and less income, people want more "bang for their buck". This is why you see threads like the Bowser C-636. If people are to spend hundreds of dollars on just one locomotive, it better be right from not only dimensions, details, paint, lettering, etc.. The model also needs to run and operate well, without any major problems, such as under powered motors. I know this is a thread about the new Athearn announcements, but after a while how much new product can the hobby consume, before it becomes a glut and the manufacturers begin to see shrinking numbers? |
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Post by wmrdgfan on Oct 25, 2014 9:17:23 GMT -8
I'll jump on this bandwagon too..... I had this discussion with Shane,before he left Athearn. They announce this stuff, and say that it will be here, in lets say OCT. Next thing you know, it's set back to Nov. Then it gets set back to Dec. Then You look, and see that the stuff you had ordered for Aug, has also been set back to Dec. Now all of a sudden all the Items you pre-ordered to come months apart are all coming right at Christmas time. Then you look at what you have ordered from other manufacturers, and its the same story there. I refuse to play this pre-order game with these folks anymore. If I don't get it, or it doesn't get to production, so be it. I have been laid off 5 times in the last 4 years, and I am not alone with this problem, and these companys need to realise this. Its a shame that this thread is more of about the way things are, and not about the product announced.
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Post by bigblow69 on Oct 25, 2014 11:07:53 GMT -8
I'll jump on this bandwagon too..... I had this discussion with Shane,before he left Athearn. They announce this stuff, and say that it will be here, in lets say OCT. Next thing you know, it's set back to Nov. Then it gets set back to Dec. Then You look, and see that the stuff you had ordered for Aug, has also been set back to Dec. Now all of a sudden all the Items you pre-ordered to come months apart are all coming right at Christmas time. Then you look at what you have ordered from other manufacturers, and its the same story there. I refuse to play this pre-order game with these folks anymore. If I don't get it, or it doesn't get to production, so be it. I have been laid off 5 times in the last 4 years, and I am not alone with this problem, and these companys need to realise this. Its a shame that this thread is more of about the way things are, and not about the product announced. I say a year from announcement to delivery is a minimum. |
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Post by bar on Oct 25, 2014 15:26:36 GMT -8
The big suppliers continue to chase Baby Boomers -- the last good middle-class pensions and retirement accounts this country will ever see. The major importers (none of them does their own manufacturing anymore) are now or soon will be marketing product to the rest of us who can't even dream of buying a $250 loco, $50 freight car, or $37 trailers. Shoot, spray paint is more than $6 a can. I figure 10 more years or less of the Baby Boomer cash and that's it. If China implodes or the stock market crashes, sooner.
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Post by atsfan on Oct 25, 2014 17:28:29 GMT -8
The big suppliers continue to chase Baby Boomers -- the last good middle-class pensions and retirement accounts this country will ever see. The major importers (none of them does their own manufacturing anymore) are now or soon will be marketing product to the rest of us who can't even dream of buying a $250 loco, $50 freight car, or $37 trailers. Shoot, spray paint is more than $6 a can. I figure 10 more years or less of the Baby Boomer cash and that's it. If China implodes or the stock market crashes, sooner. The O scale Lionel collecting bubble popped with the 2000 stock market crash. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:18:10 GMT -8
I present you with the reality of our leaders listening and employing the now proven wrong failed philosophies of economist Milton Friedman for the last 40 years. Because our economy is ruled by incorrect rules of thumb instead of realities, we are now "enjoying" the benefits of a crushed middle class, the working poor, and the 1% oligarchy. brad I saw that on a bumper sticker on a Prius last week! |
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Post by Brakie on Oct 26, 2014 3:29:11 GMT -8
While attending a train show yesterday I found the high price beaters-used cars and locomotives and older Atlas Yellow and Red box engines for $30-40.00 each.Seen used Athearn BB engines with the handrail installed for $12.00 each.
I was interested in obtaining some of those Southern and N&W Berwick 60' boxcars until I saw the price tag..I'll wait since these cars will turn up on the use market at fraction of the cost.
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Post by atsfan on Oct 26, 2014 5:17:00 GMT -8
While attending a train show yesterday I found the high price beaters-used cars and locomotives and older Atlas Yellow and Red box engines for $30-40.00 each.Seen used Athearn BB engines with the handrail installed for $12.00 each. I was interested in obtaining some of those Southern and N&W Berwick 60' boxcars until I saw the price tag..I'll wait since these cars will turn up on the use market at fraction of the cost. I see that also. Right now train shows are full of old stuff, mostly junk. Some guys are just dumping it. Others think it is rare or something. It only sells at give away prices. But still they try, lugging the same old tired merchandise back and forth. |
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Post by Brakie on Oct 26, 2014 6:14:59 GMT -8
While attending a train show yesterday I found the high price beaters-used cars and locomotives and older Atlas Yellow and Red box engines for $30-40.00 each.Seen used Athearn BB engines with the handrail installed for $12.00 each. I was interested in obtaining some of those Southern and N&W Berwick 60' boxcars until I saw the price tag..I'll wait since these cars will turn up on the use market at fraction of the cost. I see that also. Right now train shows are full of old stuff, mostly junk. Some guys are just dumping it. Others think it is rare or something. It only sells at give away prices. But still they try, lugging the same old tired merchandise back and forth. Not sure what you call junk but,I seen a lot of nice use stuff going for cheap.I didn't see that much junk like train set cars and locomotives from Tyco,Bachmann,Model Power..Considering today's e-bay prices,the shows prices was well within reason~maybe even at blue light special prices.. The admittance price was $3.00 with free parking. |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 26, 2014 8:02:06 GMT -8
There definitely is a lot of old toy train stuff at train shows, much of which will probably never be bought - definitely. I could categorize much of it as junk. At Timonium yesterday I breezed by long tables or displays chock full of old toy trains loose in the box - only thing it would be good for is to get for a child who you don't care if the trains are abused or broken. That said, there are some old trains which have value to modelers, some which are the only version of a freight car and could be upgraded. At Timonium interestingly I saw some pretty ancient stuff - including bundles of pristine fiber tie flex track, and some mint kits or mint built up kits from the 60's.
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Post by Brakie on Oct 26, 2014 8:18:19 GMT -8
There definitely is a lot of old toy train stuff at train shows, much of which will probably never be bought - definitely. I could categorize much of it as junk. At Timonium yesterday I breezed by long tables or displays chock full of old toy trains loose in the box - only thing it would be good for is to get for a child who you don't care if the trains are abused or broken. That said, there are some old trains which have value to modelers, some which are the only version of a freight car and could be upgraded. At Timonium interestingly I saw some pretty ancient stuff - including bundles of pristine fiber tie flex track, and some mint kits or mint built up kits from the 60's. Jim,I'm a tad confused about this "junk" thing. By junk are you meaning Atlas yellow and red box locomotives? BB locomotives and cars? Roundhouse cars? Older gold and blue box P2K locomotives? Junk as in older Atlas,Walthers and Accurail cars? Or.. Junk as in train set quality cars and locomotives,broken structures,rusty Lionel track,old steel track etc ? Junk is a mighty big word to toss freely around without giving examples. |
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Post by markfj on Oct 26, 2014 8:24:56 GMT -8
While attending a train show yesterday I found the high price beaters-used cars and locomotives and older Atlas Yellow and Red box engines for $30-40.00 each.Seen used Athearn BB engines with the handrail installed for $12.00 each. I was interested in obtaining some of those Southern and N&W Berwick 60' boxcars until I saw the price tag..I'll wait since these cars will turn up on the use market at fraction of the cost. I see that also. Right now train shows are full of old stuff, mostly junk. Some guys are just dumping it. Others think it is rare or something. It only sells at give away prices. But still they try, lugging the same old tired merchandise back and forth. +1. Way too much junk at high asking prices. Then there are the people trying to sell older P2K and Branchline kits at $12 and $15 each when some online retailers are still unloading new old stock at $7.00. I blame all those television shows that show pickers and junkers finding “rare” items and trying to turning a profit on the stuff. Now, “everybody” thinks there old toys (trains, Hess trucks, Matchbox cars, board games, etc) are worth a fortune. One of the most valuable lessons I learned from my collector car days is that old or rare does not equal valuable or desirable. Mark |
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Post by Brakie on Oct 26, 2014 8:46:20 GMT -8
One of the most valuable lessons I learned from my collector car days is that old or rare does not equal valuable or desirable.
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As far as our hobby the rarer the model and road name the better..
However,I found the more common and easy to find cars and locomotives is highly overpriced while the rare and harder to find road names is bargain basement priced.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 26, 2014 8:55:05 GMT -8
There definitely is a lot of old toy train stuff at train shows, much of which will probably never be bought - definitely. I could categorize much of it as junk. At Timonium yesterday I breezed by long tables or displays chock full of old toy trains loose in the box - only thing it would be good for is to get for a child who you don't care if the trains are abused or broken. That said, there are some old trains which have value to modelers, some which are the only version of a freight car and could be upgraded. At Timonium interestingly I saw some pretty ancient stuff - including bundles of pristine fiber tie flex track, and some mint kits or mint built up kits from the 60's. Jim,I'm a tad confused about this "junk" thing. By junk are you meaning Atlas yellow and red box locomotives? BB locomotives and cars? Roundhouse cars? Older gold and blue box P2K locomotives? Junk as in older Atlas,Walthers and Accurail cars? Or.. Junk as in train set quality cars and locomotives,broken structures,rusty Lionel track,old steel track etc ? Junk is a mighty big word to toss freely around without giving examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 8:56:20 GMT -8
E-Bay lately has been full of overpriced junk. Old Bachmann, Life-Like, etc. structures, cars, locomotives, etc. at mind numbing prices. Even old Atlas yellow box and Athearn Blue Box stuff listed at prices that make you cringe. I've seen Athearn blue box locomotives listed at $100. Same with Atlas yellow box GP38, GP40, SD24 and FP7 from the 70's.
There are many sellers on e-Bay that don't know a model train from a hole in the ground. They think that the Atlas yellow box SD24 is the same as the Atlas Master SD24. We know it isn't, but they think if Master SD24's sell for $100 plus, that is the price to list the yellow box SD24. Many of the listings are under the Buy-It-Now program and have been listed for years now. You'd think if you've been trying to sell something for four years and it hasn't moved maybe the price is a little much.
Lots of overpriced Proto 2000 too, normally listed with a Buy-It-Now.
Personally, I think the Buy-It-Now feature is useless in many cases. You have opportunistic sellers that list the stuff for years, just waiting for some sucker to hit the purchase button. It costs the seller pennies, if that, so there is no reason or sense of urgency to actually do the homework and come up with a realistic price. Lately all e-Bay does is give away free listings and upgrades to sellers. It is no wonder the site is clogged with crap at stupid prices.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 26, 2014 9:06:53 GMT -8
Jim,I'm a tad confused about this "junk" thing. I thought "old toy train stuff" would have been fairly self explanatory, but just to be 100% sure no toes were tread on ... most of those old junky trains I see at the shows looked like "old toy trains" like Tyco, Lifelike style and some brands I may not be thinking of or know. Mostly stuff that appears to have came in old train set boxes back in the olden days, perhaps 50's, 60's 70's and 80's - just a guess. We're talking honest to goodness junk here - 9 out of 10 modelers would probably agree. If it is important for me to be "crystal clear", I don't consider Athearn blue box, Accurail, MDC etc. junk. Many examples from that category may be fantasy models, but not junk. At the summer Timonium show I bought an Accurail SOO CF4600 covered hopper for my fleet - hopefully that gives you the warm fuzzies that I'm not one of those elitists! I'm not like that guy in Train Orders who bragged about how he sold off all his Intermountain CF4750 covered hoppers to replace them with Tangent models. >_> I would argue that the average model railroader (were not talking about a fairly small cliquie of elitist) would not consider Accurail, MDC, Athearn etc. junk. Which is why I didn't feel compelled to spell it out in great detail when I was throwing around that mighty big word. Jim |
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