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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 14, 2015 12:17:34 GMT -8
I disagree.
My prediction about the K-M's is that the models will be announced just after you spray your first coat of paint. I know, a fine difference. But still........
Ed
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Post by valenciajim on Feb 15, 2015 18:31:55 GMT -8
Ed, you may be right.
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Post by brokenrail on Feb 16, 2015 22:21:50 GMT -8
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a call for a U23C. If I counted right there were 53 domestic units built. I'd go for CB&Q and BN (9)and PC (CR) (19). I'd skip the ATSF (20) and LS&I (5). The Q's were green along with the SD45's and some of the GP40's. I'm not sure if the former Q U23C's ventured out west after the merger but they might have and that's close enough for me.
The SDP40 was a light seller (6 GN + Mexican units) but they wore more paint schemes than the GN/BN SDP45's which were either blue or green. The SDP40's were delivered orange, 5 were painted blue, all were painted BN green, one was bicentennial #1976 and one became (and still is) MRL. The MRL one ran around as patched 6395 for awhile too. I'd have to have 2 orange, 2 blue, the 1976 to go with the 1776 (Atlas U30C) and 1876 (Athearn SD40-2) and at least one BN unit. The BN units wore passenger numbers as well as freight.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Feb 16, 2015 23:17:12 GMT -8
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a call for a U23C. If I counted right there were 53 domestic units built. I'd go for CB&Q and BN (9)and PC (CR) (19). (SNIP) In the 70s, PC would pair a U23C with a GP9B as hump power at Frontier Yard in Buffalo. They had two or three sets. Bizarre combination, but it worked for that purpose.
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Post by brokenrail on Feb 17, 2015 5:40:02 GMT -8
And my memories are of the paired U23C's shoving hump in Selkirk and single U23C's trimming the hump from the east end. I'm more of a Hill lines pre and post merger modeler but I'm also partial to the PC and EL that I grew up with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 13:36:13 GMT -8
...The SDP40 was a light seller (6 GN + Mexican units) but they wore more paint schemes than the GN/BN SDP45's which were either blue or green. The SDP40's were delivered orange, 5 were painted blue, all were painted BN green, one was bicentennial #1976 and one became (and still is) MRL. The MRL one ran around as patched 6395 for awhile too. I'd have to have 2 orange, 2 blue, the 1976 to go with the 1776 (Atlas U30C) and 1876 (Athearn SD40-2) and at least one BN unit. The BN units wore passenger numbers as well as freight. I like GN's orange & green schemes (original Empire Builder and simplified) much better than the May 1967+ Big Sky Blue. BSB looks ok on hood units, not so good on cab units. What do other GN / BN modelers think about the GN paint schemes?
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 17, 2015 14:33:38 GMT -8
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Post by TBird1958 on Feb 17, 2015 14:58:46 GMT -8
Being more of a'70s fan I really prefer the Big Sky Blue. In the form of models I like it as well, fits my years modeled and says so as it goes past. Not to say I don't like the original colors as well, saw plenty of it growing up in both Eastern and Western Washington. I think the simplified is the worst of the three. Just my .02
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 17, 2015 17:20:36 GMT -8
Being more of a'70s fan I really prefer the Big Sky Blue. In the form of models I like it as well, fits my years modeled and says so as it goes past. Not to say I don't like the original colors as well, saw plenty of it growing up in both Eastern and Western Washington. I think the simplified is the worst of the three. Just my .02 Me, personally agree that simplified on the F's, E's to me didn't do it. It would have been interesting to see one of the GN's E7's in BSB!. The early GP7's, 9's, 20's and SD7's and 9's also looked better in BSB than simplified. I think you'll find if a poll(oh God not another poll! ) of GNRHS members would find that BSB has nosed ahead of simplified in popularity. The Empire Builder scheme of Omaha Orange, Pullman Green with Dulux gold stripes(3) and an imitation aluminum band is THE classic GN scheme.
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Post by TBird1958 on Feb 17, 2015 17:43:59 GMT -8
Bill Edgar (used to work at Kalmbach and now for N scale) is a longtime friend of mine, he's a huge GN fan and recall him remarking "most hardcore GN fans dislike Big Sky Blue because it replaced orange and green" and I'd have to agree with that. Interestingly it was he that sent several illustrations to Krebs and one oh his designs was selected as the paint scheme for the Big New Santa Fe.
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Post by elsdp45 on Feb 17, 2015 19:40:38 GMT -8
Speaking of the BNSF paint scheme, I wished they would get rid of the silver under frame and fuel tank. Leave the trucks silver and paint the rest black. Just like the old Santa Fe Yellow War Bonnet scheme.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 18, 2015 12:36:37 GMT -8
have read that the ex-Q U23Cs were re-assigned to Alliance sometime in the 70s,possibly before 75. like the Q Green better than BSB,but like the pre-merger Chinese Red best, then NP Yellow and Black. BSB looked good on Low Hood units as did the simplified Orange and Green. got a good dose of all the pre-merger schemes after the merger happened, only SP&S units weren't seen on the ex-Q Platte Valley line. Spikre
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Post by loosecannon68 on Feb 18, 2015 12:59:29 GMT -8
I'd like to see some SW switchers with dynamc brakes. First and foremost the Lehigh Valley SW8's but the logging lines had a bunch of SW 9's and/or SW1200's. I would think modular moulding would make that easier than a dedicated new shell. (I'm not so handy at kitbashing...)
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Feb 18, 2015 20:41:37 GMT -8
I'd like to see some SW switchers with dynamc brakes. First and foremost the Lehigh Valley SW8's but the logging lines had a bunch of SW 9's and/or SW1200's. I would think modular moulding would make that easier than a dedicated new shell. (I'm not so handy at kitbashing...) GREAT idea! I'm ready any time with an order for four Lehigh Valley pups with dynamics!
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Post by riogrande on Feb 19, 2015 5:43:57 GMT -8
Since SW1200's were mentioned, that perked my ears. Yes, Proto 2000 has offered SW1200's years ago and they got excellent reviews and probably hold up well by todays standards. The rub for me is they never offered D&RGW that I can recall. And honestly that is the only real hole left in my 70's and 80's D&RGW roster - I have examples of every major type of diesel now that Rio Grande had EXCEPT the SW1200 is missing.
One appeal to me as a modeler about the D&RGW is it keeps things fairly simple - after 1967ish, it was all EMD: F7, F9, GP7, GP9, GP30, GP35, GP40, GP40-2, GP60, SD7, SD9, SD40T-2, SD45, SD50, SW1000, SW1200. Am I missing anything? Short and simple. SW1200 in D&RGW paint AFAIK, never produced. Of course it will cost an arm and a leg now but! ....
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Post by loosecannon68 on Feb 19, 2015 7:57:20 GMT -8
I'd like to see some SW switchers with dynamc brakes. First and foremost the Lehigh Valley SW8's but the logging lines had a bunch of SW 9's and/or SW1200's. I would think modular moulding would make that easier than a dedicated new shell. (I'm not so handy at kitbashing...) GREAT idea! I'm ready any time with an order for four Lehigh Valley pups with dynamics! I sometimes joke to myself that if I had 4 or 5 or them, I could just cease collecting motive power. That's all I would need. (I'm a little biased I guess since I live near the LV mainline where these pups ran and my uncle was an engineer on the Valley) There could be several paint schemes right off the bat. 2 LV schemes, Conrail with blanked dynamics, R&N with same, and I know I've seen other second hand owners. Proto has pretty recent SW9/1200 models I think. And then theres Broadway Limited. The detail on the new SW1500's is pretty good. Hoping the newer SW9/1200s have an upgraded level of detail. NOT a big fan of their decoder/sound system. Motor control is good, but the engine sounds dont seem to match up with speed/throttle postion very well.... :-(
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Post by lvrr325 on May 3, 2015 7:32:51 GMT -8
With all the intermodal out there, has anyone done 1970s era rib side containers like the Sea Land ones with three-piece name boards on them? There's plenty still around, the National Guard depot here has three and the state highway garage up the road has a 4th. I saw one get auctioned off from a school a couple hours from here, too. www.google.com/maps/@43.098888,-76.190822,3a,75y,134.18h,79.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1si1RjF8pOhZd0AZxQLK6Fuw!2e0 You'll have to copy and paste that entire link to make it work. That I know of the only 1970s era containers around are the 20' and 40' Athearn ones actually made in the 1970's, the 40' I don't think has ever been rerun.
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Post by GP40P-2 on May 3, 2015 9:52:20 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on May 3, 2015 11:06:32 GMT -8
Sea Land containers are useful to me since I've seen them on COFC flat cars crossing the D&RGW - might be early as the 1970's and later on Sea Land NYSW bulkhead well cars crossed the rockies on the Tennesee Pass route in the late 1980's - but I think those mostly carried Hanjin, K-line and Misui OSK containers.
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Post by powerglide on May 3, 2015 15:23:45 GMT -8
Wag ge cetercab.
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Post by mowingman on May 3, 2015 16:19:57 GMT -8
These have been done in Brass, by Overland. Probably about 10 years ago.
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Post by lvrr325 on May 3, 2015 19:48:14 GMT -8
Yes, the Wheels Of Time pieces are identical to the grounded ones in my Google Maps link. Didn't realize they were only 35 foot.
Lehigh Valley's hot Apollo piggyback trains sometimes consisted of just these containers on flatcars, handed off by the N&W at Buffalo.
I actually bought an old Walthers hang-bag of a Roco container just because it has in it a set of the decals for the logo with the large square in the middle. Worst case I could do some stand-ins of some sort and make copies of the decal to use on them.
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Post by toml on May 4, 2015 12:25:54 GMT -8
THIS WOULD BE NEAT , CONRAIL ZERO , ADDING A MOTOR AND WEIGHT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 4, 2015 12:47:08 GMT -8
THIS WOULD BE NEAT , CONRAIL ZERO , ADDING A MOTOR AND WEIGHT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE View AttachmentNot to mention a commode ...
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Post by fr8kar on May 4, 2015 12:55:01 GMT -8
BN B30-7A and B30-7A1B cabless units would be nice. The Smokey Valley kit is not a good fit with the Atlas models, unfortunately. If I can round up a dynamic brake box, I'll take another crack at one by cutting up another Atlas shell to fabricate the necessary components.
And for a bonus, not a locomotive, but...
I'd like to see the Southern 4-bay Ortner open hoppers done. Athearn revised the MDC tooling improving on some aspects of the original model, but there's certainly room for further improvement. I can't see removing the center bay as an option for Athearn, unfortunately, so this may remain just a wish.
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Post by routerock on May 4, 2015 13:16:01 GMT -8
Boy I wish Athearn would come out with a Genesis SDP40F, I would pick up 5 Amtrak units, 1 phase I, 3 phase II and 1 in the phase III paint scheme.
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Post by jaygee on May 4, 2015 16:28:26 GMT -8
GE U28C in all but the earliest version. U28CG and POOCH for Santa Fe folks RDS1 Alco in US and USSR versions.
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