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Post by espeenut on Feb 7, 2015 13:07:12 GMT -8
...so last night I was in bed unable to sleep because my brain wouldn't stop working. I'd been reading the recent polls on here and I started thinking about my own HO scale model locomotive collection. What started running around in my head as a result of these polls was this question: Realistically speaking, specifically in regards to diesel locomotives, what is left to do that hasn't already been done by somebody? This isn't another wish list question, but a query about just how many more possibilities there are. A lot of the wish list items that I recall reading over the past few years have been fulfilled. A lot has been stated about the practicality of producing some of these, about the perceived need for some, thinking specifically the SD40-2 discussion, but leaving that argument aside, what hasn't been done yet?
We now have or are awaiting the following Alco's: C636, C415, RS3 phase 3 and various Canadian built MLW versions.
On the GM end of things we finally have a GP9B, a new GP35, the FL9 and a raft of SD40-2 offerings whether you like them or not, and from the London Ontario plant the GMD-1, SW1200RS, and the Canadian SD40-2.
There's more relatives of the GE dash 9 family than you can shake a stick at with the arrival of more ES44AC's, and another gap was filled by the new Rivarossi GE U25C.
Bowser has been pumping out Baldwins for quite some time and appears to have been looking at every conceivable Alco that could be done. Athearn's been filling the demand for almost all modern EMD's and now the flared SD70's are coming along with the latest SD70Ace variants. They even did the double monsters, DD40X and the GE U50C, along with two gas turbines.
I can think of some gaps that still need to be filled, we still need a GP24B, GP30B, DD35 and DD35B, and according to many a definitive SD40-2, and there's also a call for a better U25B.
That's my thoughts on the topic, now I'll wait to hear what you all think.
cheers,
Lorne Miller
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Post by cf7 on Feb 7, 2015 13:19:56 GMT -8
We still need GP28's and phase 2 GP35's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 13:44:17 GMT -8
We've reached the end of the line. My parents live near some railroad I've never heard of before. I looked them up, they have GP9's and wide-body diesels, among other things. Now maybe you can find old and new UP motive power, but you can't really find short line in any era, let alone old and new. So there's that still to do. In Philly, there's the SEPTA cars that look like electrified RDC's, called Silverliners. They're on version 5 now, but to my knowledge they've only been used in the Philadelphia area. Someone could make those, and probably every major city has their version of the Silverliner - some unique, local, car. But they're all local/regional passenger equipment, and not likely to get picked up. light rail, trolleys, articulated busses, these can be done. I haven't seen Tri-rail in the green and white paint scheme... I think if you're a modeler, you can find just about every mainstream model out there shy of commuter rail, just maybe not in your paint scheme. Maybe it's time we asked GE or EMD to start making us some new engines  |
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Post by curtmc on Feb 7, 2015 13:51:12 GMT -8
We still have several EMD units that have never been done...
SD18 - C&O, BLE, C&IM and DMIR fans have been waiting a long time for one... 124 built - 64 US, 60 export. And it shares the SD9/24/35 chassis.
GP39, GP40P, and GP40P-2 - The GP oddball variants C&O/Chessie/CSX, CNJ/NJDOT, and SP fans would love...
MP15T - SBD and CSX fans need the last real switcher EMD made
And we can't forget the GE U36B and B36-7 units...
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Post by routerock on Feb 7, 2015 13:54:03 GMT -8
My biggest thing on my wish list is he GE U33/36B's (hint hint Atlas  ) they can paint them in 4 different Rock Island paint schemes + PC,CR,SCL,AUTO TRAIN,CSX,DH,BM, hey that's more roads then the SDP35 they made. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 7, 2015 13:56:22 GMT -8
I still don't see EMD NW/SW switchers that are overly wonderful. Atlas did a darn good job of making a DCC sound equipped Alco S-2. The sound is great. The chassis is cast metal, so there's a good bit of weight. NW/SW's should be at least that good.
And BNSF people are waiting for late model C44-9W's, that's fer shure.
There's surely room for some top quality E's.
And don't get me started on NW5's. Oh, wait. You did!
Well, then. Throw in NW3's!!!
Ed
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 7, 2015 13:58:53 GMT -8
Oh, yeah.
U33C's would be nice. Again. But way better.
And then there's the P2K Alco F1's. Walthers owns the dies, but just doesn't want to use them. So, I'd like those fine folks to dust the dies off and get to work. That, from an SP&S fan.
Ed
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Post by bdhicks on Feb 7, 2015 13:59:18 GMT -8
SD39, SD90MAC-H2, SD40-2F, SD50F, SD60F, C855, M420, GP15D, GP20D, 3GS21C, 2GS14B, 1GS7B.
Adding in major rebuild projects: GP20C-ECO, SD30C-ECO, RS18u, super 7s, SF30C
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 7, 2015 14:05:31 GMT -8
Centercabs, passenger sharks, lima everything, sdp40f, sd18, sd39, dd35, calves, C32-8, c36-7, u36b, P30CH, dh643, H20-44
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Post by icrr3067 on Feb 7, 2015 14:12:28 GMT -8
SD40A and GP 28
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 7, 2015 14:25:56 GMT -8
No one has yet done the future Caterpillar SD80ACe or future GE ES55ACi.
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 7, 2015 14:26:36 GMT -8
...so last night I was in bed unable to sleep because my brain wouldn't stop working. I'd been reading the recent polls on here and I started thinking about my own HO scale model locomotive collection. What started running around in my head as a result of these polls was this question: Realistically speaking, specifically in regards to diesel locomotives, what is left to do that hasn't already been done by somebody? This isn't another wish list question, but a query about just how many more possibilities there are. A lot of the wish list items that I recall reading over the past few years have been fulfilled. A lot has been stated about the practicality of producing some of these, about the perceived need for some, thinking specifically the SD40-2 discussion, but leaving that argument aside, what hasn't been done yet? We now have or are awaiting the following Alco's: C636, C415, RS3 phase 3 and various Canadian built MLW versions. On the GM end of things we finally have a GP9B, a new GP35, the FL9 and a raft of SD40-2 offerings whether you like them or not, and from the London Ontario plant the GMD-1, SW1200RS, and the Canadian SD40-2. There's more relatives of the GE dash 9 family than you can shake a stick at with the arrival of more ES44AC's, and another gap was filled by the new Rivarossi GE U25C. Bowser has been pumping out Baldwins for quite some time and appears to have been looking at every conceivable Alco that could be done. Athearn's been filling the demand for almost all modern EMD's and now the flared SD70's are coming along with the latest SD70Ace variants. They even did the double monsters, DD40X and the GE U50C, along with two gas turbines. I can think of some gaps that still need to be filled, we still need a GP24B, GP30B, DD35 and DD35B, and according to many a definitive SD40-2, and there's also a call for a better U25B. That's my thoughts on the topic, now I'll wait to hear what you all think. cheers, Lorne Miller We still could use the 8500 HP Turbine for us Union Pacific modelers. I just sold one of my Overland 8500 Turbines since they are really in demand and some plastic versions should sell well if they were available. From the rumor mill several years ago, Brian at Overland was working on getting one but the cost would have been prohibitive. Maybe MTH could consider one since they seem to be able to get things done. Larry |
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 7, 2015 14:27:09 GMT -8
No one has yet done the future Caterpillar SD80ACe or future GE ES55ACi. Al I hope someone does them before EMD or GE gets them out!! Larry |
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 7, 2015 14:34:43 GMT -8
How about the EMD cab with extended front for tandem control stand engines? PC, PRSL, RDG, second hand to a number of others including Iron Roads. Probably others.
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Post by sd80macs on Feb 7, 2015 14:37:14 GMT -8
I would be happy with some 90's GE's. C30-7a, C36-7, C32-8, C39-8, B36-7, P30CH.
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Post by alcoc430 on Feb 7, 2015 14:56:17 GMT -8
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the alco T6 and S6 switchers. Come on Atlas !! all the other importers are not going to do them because they figure you are doing them.
Then there are the already mentioned amtrak's P30ch and sdp40f.
Also the emd SD23. but I have the parts for that easy kitbash plus that also results in a U36B
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Post by riogrande on Feb 7, 2015 14:59:31 GMT -8
I'm pretty happy with what has been done other than better versions with prototypical details of some. My wanted SP SD40R is coming down the pike late this year. I don't have any SW1200's in D&RGW yet but otherwise my needs as a D&RGW and Sierra's SP fan are pretty well in hand!
There is the SDP40F Amtrak that I wouldn't mind seeing but I don't have anything for them to pull, that would be a challenge.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 7, 2015 15:01:33 GMT -8
A good quality SD40-2 has not been done and is the most glaring stand out of needed engines.
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Post by espeenut on Feb 7, 2015 15:25:33 GMT -8
Oh, yeah. U33C's would be nice. Again. But way better. And then there's the P2K Alco F1's. Walthers owns the dies, but just doesn't want to use them. So, I'd like those fine folks to dust the dies off and get to work. That, from an SP&S fan. Ed ...totally agree with you on the need for a much better Alco FA1, my old Walthers Trainline SP&S A-B-A set are definitely not up to current standards... cheers, Lorne |
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Post by dti406 on Feb 7, 2015 15:32:49 GMT -8
Baldwin RT624, Lima LS25, Lima 750,1000 Switchers, GP49 (Alaska RR Version) High Hood Baldwin Road Switchers.
Rick J
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Post by rapidotrains on Feb 7, 2015 16:09:03 GMT -8
There are still more Canadian prototypes that have never been done than prototypes that have been done, so plenty left to do.
And I don't think you can look at something released 20 years ago and say "it's been done." It was done 20 years ago. That means, in most cases, there is room to do it better.
-Jason
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Post by notabob on Feb 7, 2015 16:27:39 GMT -8
There are still more Canadian prototypes that have never been done than prototypes that have been done, so plenty left to do. And I don't think you can look at something released 20 years ago and say "it's been done." It was done 20 years ago. That means, in most cases, there is room to do it better. -Jason Quick, everyone! Start guessing which Canadian diesel was released 20 years ago. That'll be Rapido's next locomotive  |
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Post by TBird1958 on Feb 7, 2015 16:56:37 GMT -8
NF-110
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Post by Spikre on Feb 7, 2015 17:15:54 GMT -8
 Lorne, while Walthers owns the ex-Train Minature FA-1 of 1970 era, think Ed is referring to the Proto 2000 FA-1 of the 2000 era. which Walthers should also own. not done: HR-616 HR-412 M-420-R on Type "B" road trucks, P&W had 5. M-640 M-636 F40C M-K 5000C sure there are more,but will see what others turn up. Spikre 
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Feb 7, 2015 17:21:24 GMT -8
Early Baldwin "Babyface" cab units -- the DR-4-4-15 units owned only by NYC, CNJ, and MP (NYC and CNJ sorta make sense, but HOW did MoPac get in there???) and the CNJ Babyface DR-6-4-20 double-cabs. And the GE U28CG and U30CG. All pretty unlikely due to very low prototype production numbers and some relatively major body differences as between the three roads' DR-4-4-15s. Although, the U28CG is probably largely a matter of adding steam generator details to a U28C. I was always surprised Irv Athearn didn't do his Blue Box U28C in Santa Fe Warbonnet, nevermind the lack of steam generator details. I once suggested it as a "Special Edition" project and had an encouraging response, but it never happened.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 7, 2015 17:22:07 GMT -8
 T-Bird, will see Your NF110 and raise You an NF210 !! a few other EMD Exports used in N.A.: GA8 G8 G12 G16 one in Uniform: MRS-1 export GE used in N.A.: U6B Spikre
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 7, 2015 17:25:19 GMT -8
The new NS SD60 variation engines & the UP SD59M-2 aka SD59MX. They are future models to be done. Real models, for now. |
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Post by snailtrail on Feb 7, 2015 17:29:47 GMT -8
SW1001
MP15T
GP39-2
GP40TC
GP59
SD39
SDL39
SD40A
SD40X (both the 40 and 50 series)
SDP40
SD45X
SD50S
The list goes on and on. And thats just (a few) of the EMD's.
Theres a large market left open for the 30-36 u-boats.
Then theres the models that dont have as many possible roadnames like the SW1504, GP38P-2, RS1325 etc...
Plenty of models to keep the manufacturers busy for quite some time.
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Post by fr8kar on Feb 7, 2015 18:03:49 GMT -8
BNSF has a ton of new ES44C4 locomotives, but I don't know if any other railroad has ordered them.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 7, 2015 18:12:28 GMT -8
RC, FEC is replacing their SD70ACEs with GE C-4s. that may be it for the Tier-4 hasn't been nice to the builders of New road locos. how many C-4s does BNSF have ? was close to 1000 last readable amount seen here. Spikre
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) they can paint them in 4 different Rock Island paint schemes + PC,CR,SCL,AUTO TRAIN,CSX,DH,BM, hey that's more roads then the SDP35 they made.
