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Post by calzephyr on Feb 24, 2015 12:59:47 GMT -8
Maybe it's just the picture .... the numberboards look to be tilted. (?) Mark. Mark They do look like they are tilted too much and the placement is not correct. Looking at the prototype seems to indicate a slight tilt but the lens on the camera might have distorted the view we are seeing. Lets hope they are better than they look at this time. Larry
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 24, 2015 14:13:24 GMT -8
A railfan (or group of railfans) were very recently inside the E&LS storage building, and posted photos of the two ex-D&H sharks in storage. The photos have since been taken down off the internet, but I'm looking at copies of them saved to my hard drive right now. They look in great shape for their age.
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 24, 2015 14:17:36 GMT -8
Some good reading there, thank you Brother Jim.
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Post by navarch1 on Feb 24, 2015 18:01:07 GMT -8
Why does BLI insist on making the B-unit in the set unpowered. They do that with the E9's and then offer a powered B separately. Personally I'd prefer to have to the A and B a separate order. This way you are not stuck with a dummy. According to the web page, they do in fact have powered "B" units available.....separately, but available. Bob
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 24, 2015 19:43:06 GMT -8
Why does BLI insist on making the B-unit in the set unpowered. They do that with the E9's and then offer a powered B separately. Personally I'd prefer to have to the A and B a separate order. This way you are not stuck with a dummy. According to the web page, they do in fact have powered "B" units available.....separately, but available. Bob My point is when you buy an A-B set, you are forced to accept a dummy B.
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Post by John Sheridan on Feb 25, 2015 5:41:57 GMT -8
According to the web page, they do in fact have powered "B" units available.....separately, but available. Bob My point is when you buy an A-B set, you are forced to accept a dummy B. Soooooo......what's preventing you from buying the A& B units powered units separately ?
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2015 6:53:08 GMT -8
I have read of several collections of stuff stored in barns, hangers etcetera. Eventually the owner dies (always a man) and the estate auctions stuff off or maybe donates some of it. Planes, cars, trolley, you name it. Eventually that will happen here. Father Time is undefeated.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2015 6:59:15 GMT -8
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Post by NS4122 on Feb 25, 2015 8:54:03 GMT -8
Why does BLI insist on making the B-unit in the set unpowered. They do that with the E9's and then offer a powered B separately. Personally I'd prefer to have to the A and B a separate order. This way you are not stuck with a dummy. I actually thought BLI did a good thing by not forcing people to buy a powered B unit and offering a more economic option since they also offer powered B's too. Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 25, 2015 9:19:54 GMT -8
I have read of several collections of stuff stored in barns, hangers etcetera. Eventually the owner dies (always a man) and the estate auctions stuff off or maybe donates some of it. Planes, cars, trolley, you name it. The Paulsen Spence collection in the article linked above being an exception, no?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 25, 2015 9:55:29 GMT -8
I actually thought BLI did a good thing by not forcing people to buy a powered B unit and offering a more economic option since they also offer powered B's too. Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished. That is quite a good point. Perhaps BLI should have sold powered A, powered B, dummy B. And you build your own. One could also note that Athearn rarely, if ever, sells their Genesis B units separately. A's, yes. Not B's. So forget about an ABBB....BBBBA matched set (yeah, I know I exaggerated). Speaking of "packaging strategy", I am now quite thankful that BLI only sold the big Pennsy covered hoppers in sets. There's no way I could explain 4 of them on the SP&S. But that fact certainly caused my bullet dodging. Ed
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 25, 2015 10:56:27 GMT -8
My point is when you buy an A-B set, you are forced to accept a dummy B. Soooooo......what's preventing you from buying the A& B units powered units separately ? Lets look at the PRR sharks There is one A-unit that is not part of a set. Road number 2007-A. If you want a second A-unit your only choice is to buy one of the sets. If someone wants to just have an A-A brace they must pay the extra money and get a dummy B. Lets look at the price too. A single A is $279.99. A set is $399.99 that works out to $120.00 for a dummy. To me spending $120 on a dummy is bit much. Walthers for a while was under the assumption that a powered A and a dummy B was the way to go on the E9's. Walthers now only offers an A-B set as both powered. No more dummies. Athearn also doesn't offer dummies.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 25, 2015 11:06:36 GMT -8
I actually thought BLI did a good thing by not forcing people to buy a powered B unit and offering a more economic option since they also offer powered B's too. Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished. That is quite a good point. Perhaps BLI should have sold powered A, powered B, dummy B. And you build your own. One could also note that Athearn rarely, if ever, sells their Genesis B units separately. A's, yes. Not B's. So forget about an ABBB....BBBBA matched set (yeah, I know I exaggerated). Speaking of "packaging strategy", I am now quite thankful that BLI only sold the big Pennsy covered hoppers in sets. There's no way I could explain 4 of them on the SP&S. But that fact certainly caused my bullet dodging. Ed I don't see why BLI, Athearn and Walthers don't offer the A's and B's ala carte. If someone wants an A-B-B, set with all units powered or an A-A set, all powered, why force a person to buy a model they don't want. True prototype modeling is sometimes not nice neat and orderly.
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 25, 2015 11:28:13 GMT -8
That is quite a good point. Perhaps BLI should have sold powered A, powered B, dummy B. And you build your own. One could also note that Athearn rarely, if ever, sells their Genesis B units separately. A's, yes. Not B's. So forget about an ABBB....BBBBA matched set (yeah, I know I exaggerated). Speaking of "packaging strategy", I am now quite thankful that BLI only sold the big Pennsy covered hoppers in sets. There's no way I could explain 4 of them on the SP&S. But that fact certainly caused my bullet dodging. Ed I don't see why BLI, Athearn and Walthers don't offer the A's and B's ala carte. If someone wants an A-B-B, set with all units powered or an A-A set, all powered, why force a person to buy a model they don't want. Simple, why sell them just an A-unit, when you can make a bit more by selling them an A-B set? Most probably won't care too much about having that extra B around if they really want another A, as they'd have a nice A-B-A set. Other manufacturers may have dropped dummy B's because (as one or two manufacturers have mentioned before) as it stands today the cost of manufacturing a powered vs dummy is very minimal, but they can sell the powered B for more than the dummy B. I remember scooping up P2K dummy FA2 and FB2's at train shows for way under what the powered ones were selling for at different vendors, because I wanted some cheap dummies to run with other units. If they never offered them, I'd have to buy all as more expensive powered FA2/FB2's.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 25, 2015 12:22:57 GMT -8
I don't see why BLI, Athearn and Walthers don't offer the A's and B's ala carte. If someone wants an A-B-B, set with all units powered or an A-A set, all powered, why force a person to buy a model they don't want. Simple, why sell them just an A-unit, when you can make a bit more by selling them an A-B set? Most probably won't care too much about having that extra B around if they really want another A, as they'd have a nice A-B-A set. Other manufacturers may have dropped dummy B's because (as one or two manufacturers have mentioned before) as it stands today the cost of manufacturing a powered vs dummy is very minimal, but they can sell the powered B for more than the dummy B. I remember scooping up P2K dummy FA2 and FB2's at train shows for way under what the powered ones were selling for at different vendors, because I wanted some cheap dummies to run with other units. If they never offered them, I'd have to buy all as more expensive powered FA2/FB2's. Which I understand, but I also recall manufacturers saying there is no longer much demand for non powered units, which is why the dummy has nearly gone the way of the stage coach.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2015 12:41:09 GMT -8
I have read of several collections of stuff stored in barns, hangers etcetera. Eventually the owner dies (always a man) and the estate auctions stuff off or maybe donates some of it. Planes, cars, trolley, you name it. The Paulsen Spence collection in the article linked above being an exception, no? Not sure I follow here?
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 25, 2015 12:47:46 GMT -8
The Paulsen Spence collection in the article linked above being an exception, no? Not sure I follow here? Jim posted a link to a thread on the Railway & Preservation thread which was all about the D&H Sharks. In it, they discuss the collection of the late Paulsen Spence who bought about 30+ retired steamers back in the 60s including some especially nice examples of NKP, GM&O and others. He'd prepared a will and set up a trust to see that they'd be preserved after his passing. Then when he died, his widow used some loophole to invalidate the will and she had almost everything scrapped to raise some quick cash. Sad ending.
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Post by kcjones on Feb 25, 2015 13:24:53 GMT -8
I just noticed that the undec A unit only comes as a PRR version. What's up with that? JL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 13:25:41 GMT -8
Jim posted a link to a thread on the Railway & Preservation thread which was all about the D&H Sharks. In it, they discuss the collection of the late Paulsen Spence who bought about 30+ retired steamers back in the 60s including some especially nice examples of NKP, GM&O and others. He'd prepared a will and set up a trust to see that they'd be preserved after his passing. Then when he died, his widow used some loophole to invalidate the will and she had almost everything scrapped to raise some quick cash. Sad ending. There is so much vestian rumor & speculation on that thread, it looks like something from a streetcar advocate forum. Has anyone seen the will, if that's even the issue? If not, it's most likely just more railfan BS. I've heard the owner of the RF-16s intends to combine two into a replica of a PRR A1A passenger shark, the DR-6-4-2000. (rolls eyes) www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=282247
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Post by atsfan on Feb 25, 2015 14:41:23 GMT -8
Jim posted a link to a thread on the Railway & Preservation thread which was all about the D&H Sharks. In it, they discuss the collection of the late Paulsen Spence who bought about 30+ retired steamers back in the 60s including some especially nice examples of NKP, GM&O and others. He'd prepared a will and set up a trust to see that they'd be preserved after his passing. Then when he died, his widow used some loophole to invalidate the will and she had almost everything scrapped to raise some quick cash. Sad ending. Well I guess so. Seems An auction would raise more funds than scrap. But I guess this is a sad exception.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 25, 2015 16:40:20 GMT -8
a Double Cabbed Shark ? the successor to the Double Cabbed Baby Faces ? why not.........? the Tyco plastic Shark was closer to the RF-15,but then they put the B&O style Number Board on the nose with the Small Nose Door. the Metal Tyco Shark lasted from late 53 until late 58,was sold as RTR for the Christmas 58 season,then replaced with the Plastic F7 knock off. Hobbytown of Boston sold Metal Shark bodies for several years in in the 60s,and had a special version of their "Universal Chassis" to fit into the rear body openings. the best Pulling Sharks of All Time ! Spikre
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 25, 2015 19:50:30 GMT -8
a Double Cabbed Shark ? the successor to the Double Cabbed Baby Faces ? why not.........? Spikre Yawn...it's been done before. You can find anything for sale on eBay.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 25, 2015 20:21:16 GMT -8
Mr Judge, have no idea what that Thing is,but it is: Wrong-- CN never had Baldwin Cab units[or any Baldwin Road Power] Wrong-- the B-B-B-B trucks are wrong,should be A-1-A - A-1-A trucks. is that thing an April Fool's Day model ? maybe some one can Photo Shop a Correct Double Cab Passenger Shark ? Spikre
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Post by Judge Doom on Feb 25, 2015 21:08:05 GMT -8
Mr Judge, have no idea what that Thing is,but it is: Wrong-- CN never had Baldwin Cab units[or any Baldwin Road Power] Wrong-- the B-B-B-B trucks are wrong,should be A-1-A - A-1-A trucks. is that thing an April Fool's Day model ? maybe some one can Photo Shop a Correct Double Cab Passenger Shark ? Spikre Well, since there were never any double-ended sharks, it's fair game! Better?
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 26, 2015 4:35:31 GMT -8
Jim posted a link to a thread on the Railway & Preservation thread which was all about the D&H Sharks. In it, they discuss the collection of the late Paulsen Spence who bought about 30+ retired steamers back in the 60s including some especially nice examples of NKP, GM&O and others. He'd prepared a will and set up a trust to see that they'd be preserved after his passing. Then when he died, his widow used some loophole to invalidate the will and she had almost everything scrapped to raise some quick cash. Sad ending. There is so much vestian rumor & speculation on that thread, it looks like something from a streetcar advocate forum. Has anyone seen the will, if that's even the issue? If not, it's most likely just more railfan BS. Do you doubt the story? Its only a minor sub-plot in that thread anyway. But overall that forum seems pretty tame compared to some of the speculation and drama that goes on here. But maybe that's just my perspective, as a railroader, where everything is a rumor unless I see it firsthand.
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Post by wmcbride on Feb 26, 2015 7:09:42 GMT -8
I've always liked the Baldwin Sharks and was tempted by the BLI announcement. However, after using Loksound sound systems the Paragon2 has receded even further into the dim reaches of the galaxy as one I want to buy. So a purchase of the BLI Sharks would mean a sound rip-out and new installation but that's my choice.
That said, those crooked number boards are just plain wrong. Ugh. I want to like these but ...
Bill McBride
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Post by Spikre on Feb 26, 2015 11:56:11 GMT -8
Mr Judge, that one is closer,but still Too Short !! what was used under it ? looks like an SD35 chassis,which makes the unit too short by about 15'. if it is an SD40/45 chassis it is still about 10' too short. then there are the 3 axle Flexi Coil C trucks,should be on the long Commonwealth A-1-A passenger trucks as used by Alco and Baldwin. so still needed is a Unit about 76' to 80' long with the latest 1200 HP Baldwin Engines X-2 for a 2400 HP Passenger unit. or a 1600 HP Baldwin Engined unit X-2 for a 3200 HP Freight unit,but this one would be on the Baldwin/Commonwealth Delta C trucks. these shorty units just don't fit the Baldwin method of bizarre units. Spikre
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Post by John Sheridan on Feb 27, 2015 6:34:25 GMT -8
a Double Cabbed Shark ? the successor to the Double Cabbed Baby Faces ? why not.........? Spikre Yawn...it's been done before. View AttachmentYou can find anything for sale on eBay.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 28, 2015 14:28:35 GMT -8
?? seems that the length of the TYPE B trucks has been over looked, will BLI be doing the Correct 9'10" trucks ? so far the only close to correct trucks have been the Mantua/Tyco sideframes from 53,and maybe up dated for the 1966 Tyco C430. Spikre
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Post by theengineshed on Feb 28, 2015 20:06:55 GMT -8
I just noticed that the undec A unit only comes as a PRR version. What's up with that? JL Maybe it is easier for the non-PRR modeler to pull the antennae and plug the holes than the other way around. The note about the PRR type nose door on the undec is interesting. Do the non PRR units come with a different nose door? Based on the centipede I suspect no, there was certainly no difference in body styles other than the omission of the antennae on non PRR units, and there was a lot of work involved in SAL-izing the centipede. Probably go with a couple of NYC units, I already have a Monongahela cab, need some power to pull it...
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