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Post by jaygee on May 2, 2015 17:17:09 GMT -8
Someday we might get a pre-war Chief...with killer plastic EA & B units, plus as built Hotevilla and Yampai cars ! See TCY site for the chooch ! In all likelihood, we're more apt to get a Mopac Eagle of some sort...which is OK with me.
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Post by fmilhaupt on May 2, 2015 17:39:45 GMT -8
?? James, is this an ex-C&O Jim Crow Diner ?. Spikre Nope- this is a car built to the same general arrangement as Pere Marquette diners #10 and #11. This is one of the three diners actually built from the C&O's order that was to have been for ten cars.
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Post by icrr3067 on May 3, 2015 7:00:25 GMT -8
As much as I would love an IC City of New Orleans or Panama Limited I don't think Walthers would do them because yes they have most of the car but the odd ball cars are bernside shop cars. They are 70' and have three axel trucks and I don't see walthers doing that.
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Post by Donnell Wells on May 3, 2015 7:12:00 GMT -8
I'm on the sideline patiently waiting for the Sunset Limited...
Donnell
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Post by routerock on May 3, 2015 15:07:36 GMT -8
I would hope for the Golden state but Walthers would make it in the red & silver paint.
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Post by chessie77 on May 3, 2015 16:49:11 GMT -8
The only "Jim Crow" cars owned by the C&O were the twin unit diners bought for the Chessie. On the end of the kitchen car, away from the dining car was a 4 sear lunch counter and a 9 seat lounge. The twin unit diner was to run at the front of the Chessie with a coach ahead. Otherwise on the main C&O train that ran through "Jim Crow" areas, the C&O ran a diner-lounge and a full diner.
For Walthers to bring out the Prospector for the D&RGW they would need a number of new car. The 56 seat coach, 10-6 sleeper and the lounge from the Pere Marquette are correct. The new cars would be a baggage, RPO, combine, diner and the rebuilt ex-Chessie dome coach obs. Walthers already has the tooling for the actual dome on the car from the Dome sleeper for the B&O Capitol.
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Post by rockisland652 on May 4, 2015 9:51:06 GMT -8
The Bankers.
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Post by Spikre on May 4, 2015 10:30:08 GMT -8
?? Chessie77, was this a 1st class on one side,2nd class on the other ? some trains were set up that way,mostly non All Pullman Trains. on the PC Broadway/General,they wouldn't let us General passengers into the diner,that was only for the Broadway side of the train.cant even recall a vending car,but have blocked out most memories of that trip,worst long distance train ever ridden for almost 900 miles from Chicago to Newark NJ. some even offered to pay up front,but even that didn't gain entrance to the diner. Spikre
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Post by chessie77 on May 4, 2015 11:41:03 GMT -8
The Chessie was set up to have one coach in front of the twin unit diner after the turbine. This was for the black passengers, the rest of the train was for the white passengers. As the train would only run in Va., W.VA., and Ky., with a short run to C.U.T.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on May 4, 2015 11:57:23 GMT -8
As much as I would love an IC City of New Orleans or Panama Limited I don't think Walthers would do them because yes they have most of the car but the odd ball cars are bernside shop cars. They are 70' and have three axel trucks and I don't see walthers doing that. Actually it is spelled Burnside. The shops were located at 95th Street and Martin Luther King Drive. One building of the old shops still exists. Jim
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Post by Spikre on May 4, 2015 12:07:48 GMT -8
Chessie77, think You just defined "Jim Crow" accomadations. Spikre
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Post by antoniofp45 on May 5, 2015 18:40:53 GMT -8
Well, ok. I should have stated "IMHO, compared to the HO E-units that have been produced over the past several decades (Tyco, AHM, Model Power, Cary, Life-Like P2K), the tooling of the current Walthers Proto version is excellent". Anyway, from my understanding there is interest in the Southern Crescent by Southern Railway and early Amtrak modelers. But only time will tell. 3. Walthers has EXCELLENT tooling for the EMD E8....
Beg to differ on the Walthers Proto E8 as being excellent. Maybe "okay" might be a better grade. The roof is still too round making the Farr grilles too narrow. The curvature of the nose is as round as a basketball. The body is too narrow and the partial retooling of a few years ago helped a little but the nose and windshields are still not correct. The new nose door headlight is still not totally correct either and the back door is better but still far from correct. Broadway Limited's E8 at least has a body which is the proper width along with a good nose contour, windshields and roof contour. But its fans are too small and solid like 1970's tooling. The winterization hatch is too narrow, because of the fan debacle. It features only a single steam generator and has no provisions for a dual version. The fuel tank is ugly as it is too wide and has a slot tooled into it to clear the engine room step. The nose door headlight is atrocious and detail is generic one size fits all. Oh, and the back door of the BLI E8/9 is complete garbage. Its height might be fine for HO people 4 feet and shorter. There is no excellent E8/9 on the market. Stand in models is what we have to date.
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Post by WP 257 on May 5, 2015 20:19:21 GMT -8
I'd like to see the DRGW Prospector in the late single stripe scheme, of course with either late single stripe F Units and/or PA's.
It's a relatively short consist, and as mentioned they already have the coach...
The brass one is a bit too rich for my blood.
If good Prospector was available, I would have to go there. I think it's far better looking than the CZ...but that's me. Stainless steel is nice, but some yellow-orange makes a train far more interesting.
I for one would also like either the Golden State in the bright red and stainless or the Mopac Eagles with matching motive power.
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Post by riogrande on May 6, 2015 3:52:58 GMT -8
I'd like to see the DRGW Prospector in the late single stripe scheme, of course with either late single stripe F Units and/or PA's. It's a relatively short consist, and as mentioned they already have the coach... The brass one is a bit too rich for my blood. If good Prospector was available, I would have to go there. I think it's far better looking than the CZ...but that's me. Stainless steel is nice, but some yellow-orange makes a train far more interesting. I for one would also like either the Golden State in the bright red and stainless or the Mopac Eagles with matching motive power. I've always really liked the Prospector as a sharp and classy passenger train. Even up to the end in 1967, it operated with full consist including baggage, combine, coach(s), diner and sleeping car. Another interesting fact, which is discussed in the Railblazer article in The Prospector magazine from 2008 on page 6: "It wasn't until the summer of 1963, when the Rio Grande attempted to prove to the public that is was interested in high-speed scheduled freight service, that the railroad placed up to four 85-foot flat cars on the end of trains No. 7 and 8 - service between Denver and Salt Lake City, known as The Prospector. This service was inaugurated on August 14, 1963, and ran Monday through Friday on a roughly 14 to 15 hour schdule. Trailers carried were distined for Glenwood Springs, Grand Junction, and Salt Lake City. Trailers were added as the train passed through the North Yard in Denver and removed at regular stops in Glenwood Springs and Grand Junction. It took approximately two minutes for this operation and most passengers never even realized what was taking place - so good were the operators. In addition, the railroad officials were surprised to learn of the stabilizing effectss the piggyback cars had on the rear of the passenger train." The classy little overnight passenger train, the Prospector, was in effect, a mixed train with those operations. There are photo's of the train where you can see TOFC cars on the back, but usually the photo's were from the front so you have to look closely to see them. I like the single stripe paint job, which was first applied to the Krauss Maffai hydraulic diesels from Germany and soon after (spring 1961) applied to the California Zephyr F3's. Most of the F7's were repainted from 4-stripe to single stripe during the 1963-1966 time frame, and at least one lingered in 4 stripe into 1967, #5571. The Steam Generator equipped F7 unit sets on the D&RGW were in the following number series: 5551,5552,5553,5554, 5561,5562,5563,5564, 5571,5572,5573,5774 (the B units having the steam generators and numbers ending in 2 or 3). And of course combination F7/F9 set, 5761,5762,6763,5764, and F9 set 5771,5772,5773,5774. The latter two were destroyed in a wreck in 1967 - I came across a dramatic photo of the wreck scene of them. The F3 in the beginning were used in freight service a little but thereafter dedicated to passenger service only: 5521,5522,5523,5524, 5531,5532,5533,5534, and 5541,5542,5543,5544. That was more than most want to know but there it is.
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Post by WP 257 on May 6, 2015 4:49:43 GMT -8
riogrande--
A friend of mine was friends with Ross Grenard, who wrote the one RG in Color book...
I've owned and read many Rio Grande books, and owned some of the PCC Prospector cars at one time.
John
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Post by riogrande on May 6, 2015 5:09:35 GMT -8
John, Very cool! I've really enjoyed Ross's RG in Color book since I bought soon after release in 1992; and later, companion books RG in Color Vol 2, 3 & 5. Those photographers and authors are getting up there in years - just a year or two ago we lost James Ozment, RG employee and author of Rio Grande Trackside. Thankfully their experiences and photography endure. The Green Frog video Rio Grande Odyssey by Emery Gulash is another big favorite of mine. I ordered but a last minute move got in the way of getting the PCC Dome-chair car but later I found two versions of the PCC combine. The Div Point cars are nice but at $5xx a pop, far out of my range.
Still, some Walthers versions of a few of the cars would be really nice. I can't bring my self to buy any of the foobies.
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Post by WP 257 on May 6, 2015 7:13:23 GMT -8
Ross Grenard may no longer be with us, either, but I cannot confirm.
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Post by rockisland652 on May 8, 2015 12:38:03 GMT -8
None of these. It will be The Bankers... Or not.
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Post by rockisland652 on May 8, 2015 12:43:44 GMT -8
Yes. They were around a long time...and had strange power pulling them...
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Post by rockisland652 on May 8, 2015 12:47:48 GMT -8
It was nice of them to tool up the power on this one. Now, give them something appropriate to push...and pull...
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on May 8, 2015 13:35:38 GMT -8
None of these. It will be The Bankers... Or not. Photo was taken looking east on the north side of the tracks in Mokena, Illinois.
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Post by rockfan on May 11, 2015 14:45:21 GMT -8
The silver bi level cars you would think someone would make by now, but as for name trains, if they make the tooling to make the cars that share a truck they could do Zephers and Rockets. The TA and E5, well maybe they do later versions with different power.
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 11, 2015 15:45:45 GMT -8
Not sure there will be a "name train" this year. They have pre-announced a Pennsy P70 coach in five or more paint schemes. Formal announcement is supposed to be later this month, when the "name train" is usually announced.
Of course, it could be the American Freedom Train, which included Pennsy P70's, or it could be the East Wind, which also had P70s.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 11, 2015 19:26:05 GMT -8
Not sure there will be a "name train" this year. They have pre-announced a Pennsy P70 coach in five or more paint schemes. SNIP That is a distinct possibility. But then, I was surprised they did the last two name trains when they were pushing out all the Amtrak stuff. Will be interesting to see. I figure the name trains have been profitable, or we would not have so many. I think part of the formula for success is their doing the best known ones, so far with Chicago as one terminus. Which is why I'm guessing either an IC or NP train this time around.
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Post by jaygee on May 12, 2015 11:46:21 GMT -8
Even if the next train is one that I won't buy in it's entirety,.. . can't imagine not picking up a few cars just to have 'em.
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Post by carrman on May 12, 2015 20:08:37 GMT -8
I'm on the sideline patiently waiting for the Sunset Limited...
Donnell I'm stocking up on Genesis passenger F-units just in case this happens..... Dave
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Post by calzephyr on May 13, 2015 10:48:28 GMT -8
I'm on the sideline patiently waiting for the Sunset Limited...
Donnell I'm stocking up on Genesis passenger F-units just in case this happens..... Dave I read it is a Broadway Limited 1960 era. Is that possible??? I thought that was already done. Larry
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Post by Spikre on May 13, 2015 11:51:37 GMT -8
?? a Broadway Limited with GG-1 power ? that would be interesting. and also save us from those ratty PRR E units. Spikre
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Post by riogrande on May 13, 2015 12:03:07 GMT -8
Someone just posted this over at TrainOrders:
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Post by Spikre on May 13, 2015 12:13:38 GMT -8
?? James, odd that No power is listed ?? but should be GG-1s to Harrisburg,then E8s to Chicago. there is still that woefully under used Trix/Maerklin GG-1 Tooling somewhere ?? Spikre
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