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Post by jaygee on May 13, 2015 12:51:14 GMT -8
This would make good sense, as the Mountain View exploded view from the first run indicated two different rear panels, consistant with the two eras the train operated in. If this happens, I'll need some more of those uber-delicious 21 Roomette Inn cars ! But how they gonna work those new P70s into all this? Those things were never on the B'way, or even the General ! They would be better suited to the NY&LB, or some of the local NY- Philly trains, to name a few.
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Post by riogrande on May 13, 2015 13:05:03 GMT -8
Dunno, just pasted on what I read and where I read it!
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Post by jaygee on May 13, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -8
I suspect we'll get a pair of the new E8s with phone and tuscan single stripe paint.....as in Bennett Levin ! A Gee Motor would be OK too, but they'd likely have to sub contract it out.
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Post by santafe49 on May 13, 2015 13:32:43 GMT -8
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Post by stevewagner on May 13, 2015 14:29:35 GMT -8
I find it very surprising that Walthers is doing the Pennsy's Broadway Limited as its next featured name train, because they already did it several years ago.
I grew up closer to the PRR than to any other railroad (in Philadelphia's Frankford neighborhood and then in Havertown, a couple of miles from the Main Line) but have been primarily interested in the Delaware & Hudson since about 1962. I have a number of Walthers' models of PRR head end cars, some of which were more apt to show up on the D&H than PRR cars that actually carried passengers. Lots of New York Central baggage cars, coaches and sleepers ran in the New York City - Montreal service the NYC and D&H provided.
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Post by calzephyr on May 13, 2015 15:05:00 GMT -8
I find it very surprising that Walthers is doing the Pennsy's Broadway Limited as its next featured name train, because they already did it several years ago. I grew up closer to the PRR than to any other railroad (in Philadelphia's Frankford neighborhood and then in Havertown, a couple of miles from the Main Line) but have been primarily interested in the Delaware & Hudson since about 1962. I have a number of Walthers' models of PRR head end cars, some of which were more apt to show up on the D&H than PRR cars that actually carried passengers. Lots of New York Central baggage cars, coaches and sleepers ran in the New York City - Montreal service the NYC and D&H provided. Seems that they did the 53 or 54 Broadway Limited several years ago but still have not done the steam era version. We can probably get the third version of the train in a few years more. Not that I want it, but Walthers seem to be on a roll with that train. Larry |
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 13, 2015 15:39:34 GMT -8
I'm obviously a Pennsy fan, but I think this is a bad choice. The percentage of late era modelers is very low. I hope they won't be disappointed with less than stellar sales. They kind of cheated by re-releasing most of the previous cars and just de-skirted them. The new BM70n is welcome, but I would have preferred the BM70k.
They might have been better off with the 1948 Broadway... largely the same as the 1953 they already did. However, it had gold leaf painting & lettering vs. the Dulux Gold used on the '53. A lot of modelers are wanting this.
However, I think a 1938-39 Broadway would be a huge hit.
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Post by rails4dmv on May 13, 2015 15:48:04 GMT -8
Personally, I'm glad for the second release. I missed some of the first run cars and folks on eBay bid up the cars I need to complete my set up to $120-140.
Curious if the PRR P70 cars will eventually become LIRR P72 cars.
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Post by Spikre on May 13, 2015 15:49:35 GMT -8
 Jerry, a 38/39 Broadway would use almost new GG-1s,and double headed K-4s. been awhile since the last Proto steam loco,so a K-4s would be welcome. the 48 train could use those BLI Centipedes. a 49 train could use the Passenger Sharks that would be needed to be made, Proto already has the Trucks. Spikre 
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 13, 2015 16:40:35 GMT -8
...Passenger Sharks... First the FL9's. Now these? That wouldn't be good, financewise. Ed |
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 13, 2015 17:21:49 GMT -8
Personally, I'm glad for the second release. I missed some of the first run cars and folks on eBay bid up the cars I need to complete my set up to $120-140. You need to tread carefully! What era do you model? Although most of these cars are re-releases, they have removed the skirts. They represent later era cars and would not be appropriate for the early 1950s as the original release was. |
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Post by atsfan on May 13, 2015 18:07:14 GMT -8
Another Broadway Limited ?
Wow
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 13, 2015 18:45:06 GMT -8
Oh. Interesting. (Well, it DOES have a Chicago terminus. I had at least that much right...)
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Post by stevef45 on May 13, 2015 19:53:01 GMT -8
I still can't believe they haven't tried doing the Phoebe Snow with E8's.
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Post by llxlocomotives on May 13, 2015 20:25:11 GMT -8
With all the hints it is not much of a surprise. PRR has a fanatical following, even after all this time. A lot of them don 't worry too much about a decade here or there. They just want it to say Pennsylvania.
Before the hints, I would have said it was IC something. Maybe next year.
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Post by rockisland652 on May 13, 2015 22:37:43 GMT -8
Thanks Walthers! You just spared my wallet nicely.
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Post by gmpullman on May 14, 2015 1:37:20 GMT -8
Personally, I'm glad for the second release. I missed some of the first run cars and folks on eBay bid up the cars I need to complete my set up to $120-140. You need to tread carefully! What era do you model? Although most of these cars are re-releases, they have removed the skirts. They represent later era cars and would not be appropriate for the early 1950s as the original release was. I feel (kind of) sorry for the chap that recently shelled out $360+ for a View series obs! Broadway View Observation:I'm disappointed that Walthers didn't offer the Budd diners and 22 roomette "Inn" cars in the "stripped down" versions after the Tuscan red had been removed (late 1960s) and the stainless finish showing. IMHO these would have possibly boosted sales since the cars looked distinctively different AND they could have offered them in P-C or Amtrak lettering as well. I had planned to scratch build the Gothic lettered tail sign but maybe I'll just pick up one of these new releases and save a few hours... Ed |
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Post by riogrande on May 14, 2015 3:42:49 GMT -8
Thanks Walthers! You just spared my wallet nicely. No matter what passenger train Walthers produced, they will spare many wallets because there were so many private passenger railroads with many specific trains and cars. Really it goes without saying but I guess someone had to say it.  I hope they won't be disappointed with less than stellar sales. They kind of cheated by re-releasing most of the previous cars and just de-skirted them. That said, perhaps Walthers is saving money by modifying existing tooling so they can offer a passenger train cheaper; so if they are cheating, and the sales are less than stellar, it may not be a major disappointment if the investment was a lot less than an all new passenger train, with all new tooling. |
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Post by jaygee on May 14, 2015 4:47:36 GMT -8
I'm going deluxe...with talking sleeper and diner too. Sound EP22's. Gonna be a lot of racket in the train room! Looking forward to that new Harbor car with extra bedrooms. Will have to get some more regular cars too. This time around, it'll be two or three RPO's. Good news is that with these versions of the classic cars, I now have the basis for the Funky Funky Broadway ! Huzzah ! Thanks, Walthers...Yet to meet a passenger car I didn't like !
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Post by calzephyr on May 14, 2015 5:44:55 GMT -8
I'm obviously a Pennsy fan, but I think this is a bad choice. The percentage of late era modelers is very low. I hope they won't be disappointed with less than stellar sales. They kind of cheated by re-releasing most of the previous cars and just de-skirted them. The new BM70n is welcome, but I would have preferred the BM70k. They might have been better off with the 1948 Broadway... largely the same as the 1953 they already did. However, it had gold leaf painting & lettering vs. the Dulux Gold used on the '53. A lot of modelers are wanting this. However, I think a 1938-39 Broadway would be a huge hit. I would agree to your thoughts on the Broadway. The 48 version would have included using the E7's or GG1's and the early Broadway would use 2 K4's west of the electrified track. Larry |
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Post by rails4dmv on May 14, 2015 6:00:43 GMT -8
Personally, I'm glad for the second release. I missed some of the first run cars and folks on eBay bid up the cars I need to complete my set up to $120-140. You need to tread carefully! What era do you model? Although most of these cars are re-releases, they have removed the skirts. They represent later era cars and would not be appropriate for the early 1950s as the original release was. Thanks for the heads up. But I'm hopeful with the announcement of the 2nd run that people will list and sell off their 1st run collection at more reasonable prices. It happened when Walthers came out with new series of Budd Santa Fe Cars and now you can find the older versions for dirt cheap. If the prices don't come down, since I model 1960 era trains, I'll sell off my 1st run and grab the 2nd run. I'm glad that Walthers is staggering the delivery dates which helps tremendously with all the announcements & deliveries due out this fall & winter. |
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Post by WP 257 on May 14, 2015 8:59:55 GMT -8
I'd like to see them offer some of the appropriate cars painted for the ACL/RF&P/PRR/NH/BM "East Wind". The original East Wind had a really cool paint scheme (lemon yellow and silver, with silver pin stripes through the yellow, with Brunswick green roof and ends).
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 14, 2015 9:23:44 GMT -8
I'd like to see them offer some of the appropriate cars painted for the ACL/RF&P/PRR/NH/BM "East Wind". The original East Wind had a really cool paint scheme (lemon yellow and silver, with silver pin stripes through the yellow, with Brunswick green roof and ends). Agreed |
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Post by jaygee on May 14, 2015 11:27:10 GMT -8
The '38 Broadway was suggested...and this would be a killer train ! It could be pulled by the new BLI hybrid S2, or GG1, or 2x K4s, or.....drum roll please....the yet to be announced PRR S1 6-4-4-6 Hyper Duplex ! They could follow this in a year or two with a Liberty Limited as well !
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Post by rails4dmv on May 14, 2015 11:54:06 GMT -8
Since BLI is also coming out with their version of the P70 cars, it's possible they might tool up for a run of PRR Broadway Limited cars....delivery, say 2019...  . I wonder since a new set of PRR single stripe E9's are coming, will it mean down the road we'll see a set of Proto Penn Central E8/9? |
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 14, 2015 14:52:47 GMT -8
The PRR had no E9's. The Walthers listings are incorrect.
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Post by routerock on May 14, 2015 15:09:37 GMT -8
Oh well maybe next year for a Rocket train. But still the one thing that still amazes me is that both companies that have made the Southern Pacific Daylight trains have not released them in the gray with red strip. What with the bloody nose F units and the SDP45 that came out last year you would think that someone would have jumped on it.
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Post by roadkill on May 14, 2015 15:56:50 GMT -8
I was hoping for a rerun of the BM70m. Could use a couple in PK in PC MOW service.
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Post by Amboy Secondary on May 19, 2015 5:06:01 GMT -8
I'm a late 60s PRR modeler, and I'm looking forward to this release. FWIW, there are a lot of PC modelers who will bite on this version also.
However, by 1960, the included Budd 21 roomette cars were withdrawn from Pullman service and were undergoing conversion to coaches (ref: October 1960 PTT).
My other disappointment is that they didn't tool a BM85 for this version, instead of the bm70n, so this is really a late 50s version, with the never before offered, E8s with single stripe scheme.
It's a shame they didn't do the dining car/kitchen-dormitory in plated stainless steel with the Keystone scheme.
The P70R offering is useful for modeling the North Jersey Coast Line, or the Clocker service, as well and some other daylight services, while the non air conditioned version, is useful for Pittsburgh and South Jersey commuter service.
Overall, it looks like another hard year for my wallet.
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Post by riogrande on May 19, 2015 6:02:45 GMT -8
Oh well maybe next year for a Rocket train. But still the one thing that still amazes me is that both companies that have made the Southern Pacific Daylight trains have not released them in the gray with red strip. What with the bloody nose F units and the SDP45 that came out last year you would think that someone would have jumped on it. The only SP passenger I would remotely be interested in would be mid-late 1960's I assume that would be silver/gray with red stripe. I don't have spare cash right now to impulse buy pretty Daylight stuff although I'd love to have some just to have it - it's too far out of scope for what I focus on. The only reason I could justify the SDP45 is that they were used in freight service as weekend warriors between the passenger schedules, and in the mid-1980's becamse freight only. |
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