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Post by NS4122 on Jul 1, 2015 14:10:10 GMT -8
I received my model of the above car today from M.B Klein. After reading a rather disappointing review on another forum stating that no containers from any manufacturer would fit in the well of this car, I was very skeptical of what to expect. Happily, I can report that all of the different 53’ container types that I had on hand fit readily in the well. They included Athearn, Atlas, Intermountain and Aline containers. The questionable report on the other forum spurred Walthers to post proof on their Facebook page that containers from various manufacturers fit in the cars.
The car seems to be very nicely done with lines representing the welded seams of the prototype, etched metal walkways and individual handholds. The car body is die cast metal and has enough weight to be run empty without a problem The car is very free rolling with 33” metal wheelsets in what appear to be 70 Ton trucks. This is the only discrepancy that I can find as all of the prototype photos seem to show 100 ton trucks.
All in all a good addition for modern intermodal modelers.
The attached photos were taken with Athearn containers and as a matter of interest, Intermountain containers actually measure out to a scale 52’ 9” and fit more loosely than the others.
Close-up of the trucks:
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 1, 2015 17:17:02 GMT -8
I received my model of the above car today from M.B Klein. After reading a rather disappointing review on another forum stating that no containers from any manufacturer would fit in the well of this car, I was very skeptical of what to expect. Happily, I can report that all of the different 53’ container types that I had on hand fit readily in the well. They included Athearn, Atlas, Intermountain and Aline containers. The questionable report on the other forum spurred Walthers to post proof on their Facebook page that containers from various manufacturers fit in the cars.
The car seems to be very nicely done with lines representing the welded seams of the prototype, etched metal walkways and individual handholds. The car body is die cast metal and has enough weight to be run empty without a problem The car is very free rolling with 33” metal wheelsets in what appear to be 70 Ton trucks. This is the only discrepancy that I can find as all of the prototype photos seem to show 100 ton trucks.
All in all a good addition for modern intermodal modelers.
The attached photos were taken with Athearn containers and as a matter of interest, Intermountain containers actually measure out to a scale 52’ 9” and fit more loosely than the others.
I wouldn't call it questionable if three people can't fit different brands of containers into the car. I bought several and one car. the container wouldn't fit. I tired Athearn, Intermountain, Atlas, and Kato. There is no flash, I tired putting the door end first, just isn't going in. I could file the cross braces, maybe even take them out and reposition them, but I took the car back to the dealer. I can't understand why they fit in one car, and not another. None of the containers fit loosely. they are snug, yet can still be pulled out.
They are nice cars and well get more, but there is a problem with some cars.
Close-up of the trucks:
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 2, 2015 7:20:43 GMT -8
Run em with 40/45's on the bottom and 53's on the top. I tried all the variety of Athearn, Kato and Atlas 53" containers I have and yes some were snug but still workable.
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Post by bnsftcdiv on Jul 2, 2015 7:33:00 GMT -8
All the traffic on the forums had me a bit concerned, so I did a test this morning before I went to work with one of each roadname(TTX, Both FEC's and the SMW'S) of the Walthers cars, and 53' containers from Athearn, Intermountain, Con Cor, Kato and Atlas. It is obvious that the car is designed to be a tight fit. Athearn Jindos and Intermountains CIMC's kind of "snap in and are best if you put the door end in first. Atlas containers are a bit looser. Kato and Concor drop right in and fit a bit looser than the others. Didn't try and Athearn Monon so I can't comment on those, but I suspect a similar result. Getting containers out requires a bit of effort with the Athearn and Intermountain, less with the others. I like a less sloppy fit on the container, so I'm OK with this.
YMMV....I feel they are usable for their intended purpose.
Dave Burman
modeling the modern Twin Cities
Trempealeau, WI
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Post by milwtrains on Jul 2, 2015 8:21:19 GMT -8
Hi everyone,
We’ve been following the threads on the new WalthersProto® 53' Well Cars, and have made several spot checks of cars using various manufacturers’ containers. However, we have been unable to duplicate the problem.
If you have purchased a car (#920-109000 - 109008) that won’t accept 53' containers, we would like to see it. Please PM me directly (lanceb@walthers.com) and we’ll make arrangements to exchange your car.
Thanks!
Lance Burton
Senior Writer, Wm., K. Walthers, Inc.
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Post by atsfan on Jul 2, 2015 10:21:16 GMT -8
Are the walkways plastic or metal?
Just asking.
Thanks
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 2, 2015 10:58:27 GMT -8
Photo-etched metal. My only complaint with the car is I can't buy more of them. I have a need to move 300+ containers.
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 2, 2015 15:01:33 GMT -8
I caved and placed an order for two FEC yellow cars. I don't have enough wells to move all 300+ containers from one end of the house to the other.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 2, 2015 16:37:05 GMT -8
I caved and placed an order for two FEC yellow cars. I don't have enough wells to move all 300+ containers from one end of the house to the other. You can currently order some Intermountain Maxi IV's. I missed picking up the TTX ones last time, so I'm down for several. Ed |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 2, 2015 17:32:41 GMT -8
Didn't Atlas make a car that also was claimed to not fit regular containers?
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Post by bncascadegreen on Jul 2, 2015 23:33:34 GMT -8
I bought all of these cars and they hold all containers I have too
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Post by Brakie on Jul 3, 2015 3:39:17 GMT -8
Didn't Atlas make a car that also was claimed to not fit regular containers? IIRC yes,there was a topic on that subject and some testing by members who actually owned the cars couldn't find any issues. As I said before and I will say it once again. I use salt while reading anything on any forums except information from members that has gain my trust. |
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 3, 2015 3:43:09 GMT -8
Hi everyone, We’ve been following the threads on the new WalthersProto® 53' Well Cars, and have made several spot checks of cars using various manufacturers’ containers. However, we have been unable to duplicate the problem. If you have purchased a car (#920-109000 - 109008) that won’t accept 53' containers, we would like to see it. Please PM me directly (lanceb@walthers.com) and we’ll make arrangements to exchange your car. Thanks! Lance Burton Senior Writer, Wm., K. Walthers, Inc. Lance, I wonder if possibly some wells came with thicker than expected paint on the inside, where the containers sit? I have had to remove some heavily applied paint to other manufacturers' wells to get containers to fit, and this might be why you are only seeing a few reports of too-tight issues. |
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Post by tdspeedracer on Jul 4, 2015 7:09:38 GMT -8
The guy that couldn't get them to fit wasn't using ConCor containers was he? Back in decades gone by I ended up with some of their 40' containers and they were very tight fit in the A-line Gunderson cars.
Trevor
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Post by Spikre on Jul 4, 2015 7:43:22 GMT -8
 in the mid 90s Walthers had a run of Containers that were TOO Wide. Walthers re=tooled them and that solved that problem. wonder if some of Those containers are the culprits here ? Edit,no Walthers containers were used in the Walhers cars,sorry, didn't read Page-1. Spikre 
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 4, 2015 7:50:37 GMT -8
The guy that couldn't get them to fit wasn't using ConCor containers was he? Back in decades gone by I ended up with some of their 40' containers and they were very tight fit in the A-line Gunderson cars. Trevor I wasn't using ConCor, only Athearn, Atlas, Intermountain, and Kato 53' containers. If you read the prior posts, the containers used are listed. |
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 4, 2015 7:53:08 GMT -8
in the mid 90s Walthers had a run of Containers that were TOO Wide. Walthers re=tooled them and that solved that problem. wonder if some of Those containers are the culprits here ? Spikre Again, only Athearn, Atlas, Kato, and Intermountain 53' containers were used. Again, reading the prior posts clearly list the containers used |
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Post by Spikre on Jul 4, 2015 7:57:04 GMT -8
 Walthers has been using those sort of new ASF A-3 RBs under a lot of cars since they came out. not really a problem as many boxcars can use those trucks,and many other cars also. a popular truck from the mid 50s well into the 70s. many IPD boxes used them. Spikre 
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Post by NS4122 on Jul 4, 2015 8:09:47 GMT -8
in the mid 90s Walthers had a run of Containers that were TOO Wide. Walthers re=tooled them and that solved that problem. wonder if some of Those containers are the culprits here ? Spikre Since nobody mentioned Walthers containers,and given the fact they haven't made any 53's (yet), then I would guess they're not the problem. But you can add another post to your count though. |
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Post by Spikre on Jul 4, 2015 8:18:54 GMT -8
 CSXT, didn't mention any lengths of the Too Wide Walthers Containers,are you seeing words that arnt there,but you want to be there ? and thanks for another post to add to the count. word around here is that CSX may change their marks to CSW,Chessie Seaboard Wrecks. they seem to like destroying towns lately. Spikre 
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Post by atsfan on Jul 4, 2015 12:37:30 GMT -8
The C in CSX will stand for Canada soon.
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Modeling contemporary NS, CP, and NYSW.
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Post by ANDY117 on Jul 5, 2015 8:06:42 GMT -8
Does anyone make a trailer hitch part to make these truly all purpose? I see trailers in the FEC cars on a regular basis.
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 5, 2015 13:39:55 GMT -8
Does anyone make a trailer hitch part to make these truly all purpose? I see trailers in the FEC cars on a regular basis. At first I thought the fifth wheels were removed from these cars, but after a quick trip to my local rail yard, I saw that the FEC cars kept their fifth wheels. The yellow FEC cars had the round type fifth wheels, and the brown FEC cars had the square fifth wheels. After looking thru my collection of parts, the square fifth wheels can be modeled with any spare hitch parts from a Athearn 57' AP spine car. The round fifth wheels can be modeled with any round type fifth wheel from any Walther's 89' flat hitch. . They both are glued on the two supports on the Walther's cars. Check for the correct height, and adjust if needed. |
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Post by jkorchoski on Aug 4, 2015 18:58:25 GMT -8
I don't own any of the above Walthers cars in the photos but did recently pick up 9 of the 53 foot NSC well cars Walthers brought out in their Mainline series. I have three in CP red, three in CP Tuscan and three in the CN/GTW boxcar red (brown) scheme. Again, the cars are heavy and fairly well detailed with the protomax metal couplers. They fit 53 ft Atlas containers as well as 53 ft ConCor containers fine. My problem is the wheels rub on curves and if you push down just slightly on the cars (on straight track) you can hear the wheels rub on the bottom of the cars. I don't know if the wheelsets installed are too big. I swapped them out with Intermountain 33 wheels and no more problems. I suppose a washer could be added to raise the cars slightly. Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks
Jeff
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Post by middledivision on Aug 5, 2015 8:20:57 GMT -8
Jeff, had the same problem with my NSC's.
33" wheels and washers solved the problem.
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Post by jkorchoski on Aug 5, 2015 12:35:35 GMT -8
Thanks middledivision, swap out it will be.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 6, 2015 12:23:43 GMT -8
I've just examined one of my Walthers NSC single cars: 932-60521 TTX 655045
On this one, the existing 36" wheel flanges sorta rub, sorta don't on their top side (the underside of the deck). On perfect track, I don't see much of a problem. Ah, yes. Perfect track.
It's possible to take off some of the car (the underside of the deck). But I don't see doing that without a milling machine. In that area, the car is .035" thick--a snidge over 1/32". Milling off .02" would probably solve the problem.
Now, for those of you who are mill-less, middledivision's solution is about what is left. By going from 36" to 33" wheels, you'll pretty much pick up that .02" that you would if you do the milling. Actually, .015". And that 1 1/2 scale inches that the car is lowered can be taken up with a .015 washer.
BUT, my car's coupler height is slightly high, so I'd consider skipping the washer.
But wait, there's more:
The flanges will also rub on the ends of the well in a curve. While I don't have any pieces of 18" and 22" track anymore, I've gotta suspect there could be a problem fitting on these curves. Substituting the 33" wheels will help here, too. Enough for your curves? Dunno.
Ed
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 6, 2015 13:09:34 GMT -8
All the NSC cars I have this problem exist on. My solution was a washer on the set that shorts out. If they rub o well long as they don't short or derail. On the prototypes I thought they were equipped with 33" wheels.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 6, 2015 14:35:55 GMT -8
On the prototypes I thought they were equipped with 33" wheels. There was a couple of brief discussions on the Intermodal and MFCL Yahoo groups. 33 was the magic number. How very convenient for us. A person could wonder what Walthers was thinking. I think 33" would be on drawbarred equipment, while articulated would have bigger wheels. At the joints. 38" is what I recall. Ed |
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 6, 2015 14:46:53 GMT -8
On the prototypes I thought they were equipped with 33" wheels. There was a couple of brief discussions on the Intermodal and MFCL Yahoo groups. 33 was the magic number. How very convenient for us. A person could wonder what Walthers was thinking. I think 33" would be on drawbarred equipment, while articulated would have bigger wheels. At the joints. 38" is what I recall. Ed If I'm not mistaken that is what Kato's are equipped with. |
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