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Post by notabob on Jul 16, 2015 15:08:43 GMT -8
Yep, and it is about time. Just saw the Rapido add on the rear cover of the August issue of RMC. PRR, Erie, B&O, LV, NYC and CN. Also mentioned is the FPA-2 for GN, B&O, LV and CP. Called Rapido to ask. Rapido would not say they are doing an FA-2. Post a link to the ad. They may not be able to confirm yet, but Jason did post higher in the thread to "subscribe for a newsletter coming out next week". Sounds like RMC may have beat Jason to the announcement with the August release coming out a little sooner than the announcement itself. Note that a link to the August issue of RMC on their website will only work for those who are subscribers. And posting a digital snapshot of one of their magazine's pages (or a link to such a snapshot) will probably be a copyright violation.
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Post by eh49 on Jul 16, 2015 15:14:40 GMT -8
I suspect RMC did jump the gun on this. But, I assure you the ad is on the back cover of the August issue. Am I the only one here who got the digital issue?
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Post by jaygee on Jul 17, 2015 5:01:16 GMT -8
Pix or it didn't happen !
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 17, 2015 7:00:44 GMT -8
Luke.
Look to the fuel tanks.
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Post by Brakie on Jul 17, 2015 7:21:29 GMT -8
Pix or it didn't happen ! Maybe the pix will show a EMD unit coupled to 2 Alcos..What that would mean in railroading is a EMD is pulling 2 dead Alcos and their train.
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Post by eh49 on Jul 17, 2015 7:34:53 GMT -8
The ad shows a head on shot of a CP FA-2, with the headline, "Let's face it, all the other FA-2 models out there suck!"
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 17, 2015 8:18:15 GMT -8
The ad shows a head on shot of a CP FA-2, with the headline, "Let's face it, all the other FA-2 models out there suck!" The REAL Alco FA2's sucked....
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Post by mlehman on Jul 17, 2015 8:41:01 GMT -8
True, but they looked good.
I'm gonna bet Rapido's run a heck of a lot better than the 1:1 ones did.
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Post by BEDT26 on Jul 17, 2015 8:47:40 GMT -8
This is great news I'd love some in NYC cigar band please !!!!
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Post by Spikre on Jul 17, 2015 9:00:17 GMT -8
the Erie/EL fleet ran fine,but the FA-2s died early. both Alco and GE wanted the GT-581 Genorators the 2's had. they were re-used on a lot of Export locos,or rebuilt for trade to U.S and Canadian roads. the FA-1s and RS-2s had different Genorators that were lower rated than the 581s. the 2400 HP RS-27 and even C420/424s used the GT-581s. not sure if GE used them,what Genorator was in the U23B ? have a the idea it was the GT-598,but they could have used the GT581 if a road was trading in RS-3s like Southern was. this was similar to F-M buying up the 12 Cylinder OPs in the Train Masters for rebuilding. Spikre
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Post by espeenut on Jul 17, 2015 9:27:45 GMT -8
Calling all SP&S fans, you need to chime in here, the SP&S had FA-2's and all available FA's in SP&S markings truly SUCK...!! We need to get Jason's attention to do these in SP&S paint...!!
cheers,
Lorne Miller
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 17, 2015 10:02:52 GMT -8
Chiming, chiming!
SP&S bought one set of Alco F-2's: ABBA. In December 1950. One B was sold in 1966, an A and B were sold in 1968, and one A (869) went to BN as BN 4126--sold June 1971.
They were delivered in Pullman Green with Deluxe Gold striping and lettering. Some time later, they got maroon (Rustoleum???) roofs. And then in about 1965 some or all got painted in the SP&S Broadstripe scheme. The one that went to BN was just patched--never painted BN green.
I would definitely be in for a four unit set, though right now I'm not sure whether or not for the maroon roof. And definitely ole 869 in SP&S Broadstripe. And maybe a B.
So, big sales here. Fer shure.
If'n Rapido would like help on SP&S versions, I'd be glad to help where I can.
There's an SP&S convention in about a month, and I'll definitely talk this one up.
Ed
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Post by Spikre on Jul 17, 2015 10:29:17 GMT -8
Ed, 2 A's and 2 B's,not a Mega Fleet. but by getting each Paint variant You can expand the Fleet. just don't let the Proto Police see You running as delivered with ready to go to scrap units. even Wabash had a larger fleet at 4 A units, but they didn't have any B units,but A Units count for more than B units,rite ? Spikre
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Post by atsfan on Jul 17, 2015 11:04:28 GMT -8
The ad shows a head on shot of a CP FA-2, with the headline, "Let's face it, all the other FA-2 models out there suck!" Does it really say that? Suck?
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Post by eh49 on Jul 17, 2015 11:09:06 GMT -8
Yes it does. I'd say that's typical Jason. And in a way he is right.
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Post by jaygee on Jul 17, 2015 13:37:06 GMT -8
Now what's so suckulent about my B&O P2K FA-FB Alcos??? Last time I looked, the gears were OK and the body shells were pretty awful close....not to mention that dynamite Best and Only paint !
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 17, 2015 14:34:35 GMT -8
Ed, 2 A's and 2 B's,not a Mega Fleet. but by getting each Paint variant You can expand the Fleet. just don't let the Proto Police see You running as delivered with ready to go to scrap units. even Wabash had a larger fleet at 4 A units, but they didn't have any B units,but A Units count for more than B units,rite ? Spikre Spikre, The SP&S was, indeed, a pretty small railroad. It's also a very popular one. Of the 10 classes of steam engines still operating in 1950, ALL have been modeled in HO. Well, that'll be true in a month or two when the O-1's show up. Canya name any other railroads that can match that? Ed
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Post by eh49 on Jul 17, 2015 14:45:51 GMT -8
Now what's so suckulent about my B&O P2K FA-FB Alcos??? Last time I looked, the gears were OK and the body shells were pretty awful close....not to mention that dynamite Best and Only paint ! They ride too high off the trucks. And, they are hard to find today, though not impossible. I'll admit, I have a later run B&O, sans the grey, and it does look pretty good except for the mentioned height. To their credit, Life-Like did re-work the shell at some point and added D/B hatch, corrected the exhaust stack and got rid of those funky movable grills. However, most often if you find a model it's from a earlier run before those changes were made.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 18, 2015 8:31:15 GMT -8
Ed, think that PRR and ATSF fit yer 1950 Steam availability clause. maybe some others also,but cant think of them presently ? now this does mean Brass,Plastic and Die Cast Steamers ? could also add L&HR,and NYS&W if Diesels are only counted. but L&HR did have USRA Lite Mikes and big R4 Mountains,they have been available over the years. L&HR diesels are even easier,RS-3s,C420s,done !! NYS&W had the Russian Decapods available in Steam,S-2,RS-1,GP18,RS-3, C430,C636,SD45,F45,SD40-2,SD40T-2,SD70M,SD60,and paint them yerself GP20s,GE 70 Tonners,C420 Hi and low Nose GP38. still think there are more Susie Qs out there ? L&NE diesels are mostly covered,FA/B-1s,RS-2s,and a couple of oddballs. Rahway Valley,GE 70 Tonners does it for diesels. Raritan River,was all EMD swithers,same model,think they had 1 stack ? Spikre
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 18, 2015 8:54:18 GMT -8
think that PRR and ATSF fit yer 1950 Steam availability clause. maybe some others also,but cant think of them presently ? now this does mean Brass,Plastic and Die Cast Steamers ? I was thinking "in any form". As in models produced, models sold. If a brass model was produced and sold out at $1500, I think that pretty much demonstrates interest and commitment by the purchaser. I picked 1950 steam because before that, there was a huge variety of old steamers around--perhaps too many to ever actually model. And with diesels, there's the problem of "everyone bought them, anyway" and "ONLY this road bought them". Think for the latter GN NW3 or half the Pennsy list. Anyway, I would not be shocked to see PRR, ATSF, UP, GN and maybe NP, SP and NYC on the list of 1950 steam model availability. But I don't know those roads well enough to say. But I still believe SP&S is popular way out of proportion to its prototype dominance (see above list of LARGE railroads). Which generally leads to sales. Ed
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Post by Spikre on Jul 18, 2015 9:13:18 GMT -8
Ed, think the GN NW5s can be a problem in Plastic,but there have been Brass models,maybe 2 different runs ? what is interesting is that 1950 is still the Steam Era on some roads, while other roads were well into Diesels by then. how about IC Diesels 1955 ? GP7s,GP9s,Diffent E Units,several EMD Swither classes,early Alco HH600s were gone by then,as were most other experimental pre-War growlers. Spikre
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 18, 2015 9:54:29 GMT -8
Nope.
Only steam.
For reasons stated.
Or other ones I have available once I think of them.
And I said "NW3", not "NW5". Although there was a model of that one, too. But the point was that these were examples of obscure prototype diesels that weren't bought much, if at all, by other roads. I DIDN'T say there were no models of them.
Ed
(proud owner of models of the NW3 and NW5--rather badly done by Overland, as I recall)
(who is waiting waiting waiting for the new Overland NW5)
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Post by Spikre on Jul 18, 2015 10:07:15 GMT -8
Ed, Keep waiting for the Next Run of OMI NW5s !! didn't know OMI did the NW3, was that also an 80s model? do have the Mainline "Rebuild The Southern NW5" article, and still wonder about that Belt Drive System,what were they thinking ? a reason that we wont ever get any Spectrums with a Belt Drive. but almost did get the Chinese Mike as Susie Q 142,after all, am a Part Owner of Her now. was told the Chinese Mike was All Gear Drive,so almost bit, but ran out of money after something else was found,a pair of Kato RS-2s. Spikre
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 18, 2015 11:03:25 GMT -8
Spikre,
Yup, they did do the NW3. In the '80's, just after the NW5. Two versions, fer shure. I bought what is called the "late GN" one (there was an early version, too). While I think the NW5 is a very beautiful loco that looks great in "classic" GN paint, I prefer the NW3 in GN Simplified. Hence the late version. I s'pose you could call the reasoning: ugly paint scheme for an ugly locomotive. I won't ('cause she's family), but you can.
I didn't know about the belt drive in the NW5. I dug out the MM issue; and, yup, there it is. These models are both dogs. Or, at least, puppies. I figure if I ever actually do something with them, the drive will happen, too. How hard can it be? Blomberg trucks........
Ed
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Post by markfj on Jul 18, 2015 11:34:04 GMT -8
Now what's so suckulent about my B&O P2K FA-FB Alcos??? Last time I looked, the gears were OK and the body shells were pretty awful close....not to mention that dynamite Best and Only paint ! They ride too high off the trucks. And, they are hard to find today, though not impossible. I'll admit, I have a later run B&O, sans the grey, and it does look pretty good except for the mentioned height. To their credit, Life-Like did re-work the shell at some point and added D/B hatch, corrected the exhaust stack and got rid of those funky movable grills. However, most often if you find a model it's from a earlier run before those changes were made. That’s interesting. Do you know how far off the FA P2K models are in height? I have one in storage and now that my curiosity is peaked, I’ll have to check it out to see which version (original or revised) I have. Mark J
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Post by eh49 on Jul 18, 2015 12:18:06 GMT -8
About the same as the Athearn Blue Box Geeps.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 18, 2015 12:32:31 GMT -8
eh49, those Re-Tooled Proto FA/B-2s and BL2s from around 2000 are really hard to come by. only seen a few at Timonium Shows,and none anywhere else. cant recall the LHS here stocking any as they wern't local Roads of intrest here. wanted at least 1 FA-2 and BL2 just to see what Proto did do to them, and if they stuffed both with extra weight from the Original runs. the Erie,NYC FA-2s and WM Circus FA-2 will remain here no matter what gets released later. at Timonium one Erie FB-2 with a complete Yellow roof showed up at many shows.didnt realize then that there was at least one Erie FA-2 that was painted that way for awhile,would buy that unit now,if it could be found again Spikre
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 18, 2015 12:39:09 GMT -8
I measured a P2K FA-2 and compared it to the drawings in the Kalmbach book.
The bottom of the side of the model is .59" above the rail top, compared to the drawing of the prototype, which would be .57". Thus, the bottom of the side is .02" too high.
The roof height of the model is 1.93", while the drawing measures 1.94". However, a GN diagram book shows a roof height for these locos as 1.93" (in HO). So, lowering the loco by .02" is not the solution.
Ed
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Post by markfj on Jul 19, 2015 5:49:11 GMT -8
I measured a P2K FA-2 and compared it to the drawings in the Kalmbach book. The bottom of the side of the model is .59" above the rail top, compared to the drawing of the prototype, which would be .57". Thus, the bottom of the side is .02" too high. The roof height of the model is 1.93", while the drawing measures 1.94". However, a GN diagram book shows a roof height for these locos as 1.93" (in HO). So, lowering the loco by .02" is not the solution. Ed Ed, doesn’t .020” equal about 1 ¾ inches in HO scale? So, it sounds like the P2K model is actually pretty close to correct in overall height and from rail head to bottom of the deck.
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Post by fmilhaupt on Jul 19, 2015 6:41:05 GMT -8
Nope. ... Ed (proud owner of models of the NW3 and NW5--rather badly done by Overland, as I recall) I have one of the later OMI NW5s, too. The one (1991 release?) that didn't have the coined sideframes. The mechanism has been holding me back from re-detailing it as Fort Street Union Depot #2. The argument for the NW5: - More roads used them than some might think. Great Northern being the obvious one, and Southern. But with the two Fort Street Union Depot engines, you can make the case for the C&O, the Wabash and (cue the choir of angels) the Pennsy.
The arguments against: - Only 13 built
- Aside from Athearn, who has done much of anything for the Southern modeler, lately?
- Even if it served the Pennsy's passenger operations, it didn't run in Pennsylvania, so a lot of Pennsy modelers (most?) wouldn't care. Besides, it wasn't painted in DGLE.
- The FSUD locomotives operated over less than five miles of line during their Class One service lives.
- Since it didn't have anything to do with the Empire Builder, it might as well not have been on the GN, from a manufacturers' perspective.
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