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Post by atsfan on Jul 25, 2015 13:40:47 GMT -8
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 25, 2015 13:58:52 GMT -8
Who really gives a poop?
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Post by eh49 on Jul 25, 2015 14:11:03 GMT -8
Al, I don't think that comment was called for. There are modeler's of all types on this forum and many of them purchase Athearn RTR and are happy with the product. That RTR F7 has got to be one of, if not the longest running (production wise) models out there. And, yes it still sells.
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 25, 2015 15:04:48 GMT -8
I don't know anything about a separate brand, but "Trains in Miniature" has been Athearn's slogan since at least the blue box days.
I don't think Athearn is getting rid of RTR, since they announced two RTR cars the same time as their Roundhouse annoucement. I think they're just moving the low end of their offerings to the Roundhouse brand, so instead of being Athearn's old time brand they'll now more along the lines of Atlas Trainman or Wathers Trainline.
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Post by eh49 on Jul 25, 2015 15:32:07 GMT -8
Do you mean Trains Miniature? If so, it was bought out by Walthers years ago. Athearn used the slogan Trains in Miniature for many years, however, I don't think it was ever a brand. |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 25, 2015 15:45:57 GMT -8
Do you mean Trains Miniature? If so, it was bought out by Walthers years ago. Athearn used the slogan Trains in Miniature for many years, however, I don't think it was ever a brand. yes that is it I got the mixed up I guess It seems the roundhouse line is now the RTR line since the RTR cars announced like the caboose are ex RTR |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 25, 2015 15:46:41 GMT -8
Athearn RTR is probably a huge seller. |
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 25, 2015 16:44:08 GMT -8
Really Al? How about the parents who want to buy the children a train set? I doubt they going to buy them a Genesis model, or models that have fragile details on them. Al, sometimes your a light in the darkness, other times, you are the darkness. |
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Post by mrsocal on Jul 25, 2015 17:35:53 GMT -8
Big Al....... you did it yet again. (Open mouth and insert foot up to the knee) For me personally, I have enjoyed and been building both Roundhouse and Athearn models for years i.e. 1969 forward and have never had a problem with the products.
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 25, 2015 17:40:45 GMT -8
I just assumed Al meant that no matter what name they put on the box, it would still be the same Quality Athearn® Products inside the box.
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 25, 2015 17:56:22 GMT -8
I think it really doesn't matter what it's called. It's Athearn's entry-level train line.
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Post by canrailfan on Jul 25, 2015 18:03:32 GMT -8
My understanding of Athearn's announcement is that the new Roundhouse line is going to feature models with less detail than the RTR line, with lower prices suitable for beginners and young children. The website now shows three levels of detail, Roundhouse, RTR and Genesis.
The announcement implies they are re-purposing the Roundhouse brand from its previous 'pre-1940's' era models to include more modern models with the usual Roundhouse level of detail. They may be moving some older RTR models to the Roundhouse line rather than upgrading them to the level of the newer RTR models.
I don't think the RTR line will be dropped. This just gives Athearn a new price point that should attract new customers.
David
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 25, 2015 18:59:22 GMT -8
I am NOT caving into a little bit of peer pressure to apologize for my comment. Who gives a poop what Athearn rebrands their name too? So what. Non-useful information posted.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jul 25, 2015 19:46:36 GMT -8
Unbelievable.
eh49, coastdaylight, mrsocal, did it occur to you that maybe Al "doesn't give a poop" about the name change, and that it has nothing to do with his opinion of the product line? Because honestly, the name change is pretty meaningless. So it goes from "Athearn RTR" to "Athearn Roundhouse". Big deal, or as Al said, "Who gives a poop?" It's not like the product is going to change any, for better or worse. Just a different name on the box. Woop-de-do. It's not a bad idea, but it's noting to get excited about. It's just marketing.
Just goes to show that sometimes folks take a set against certain people and interpret everything they say in the most negative way possible. Honestly, at this point Al could wish someone a "Good day!" and someone would ask, "What do you mean by that?"
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 25, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -8
What he said. And him, too.
Ed
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Post by Dear Leader on Jul 25, 2015 22:00:47 GMT -8
Unbelievable. eh49, coastdaylight, mrsocal, did it occur to you that maybe Al "doesn't give a poop" about the name change, and that it has nothing to do with his opinion of the product line? Because honestly, the name change is pretty meaningless. So it goes from "Athearn RTR" to "Athearn Roundhouse". Big deal, or as Al said, "Who gives a poop?" It's not like the product is going to change any, for better or worse. Just a different name on the box. Woop-de-do. It's not a bad idea, but it's noting to get excited about. It's just marketing. Just goes to show that sometimes folks take a set against certain people and interpret everything they say in the most negative way possible. Honestly, at this point Al could wish someone a "Good day!" and someone would ask, "What do you mean by that?" Actually, I thought Al's statement didn't refer to the rebranding of the line, but was directed toward ATSFan posting his post. Al's second post clarified his statement. Misunderstandings occur. No wanted anyone to "cave in" to anything. You both shouldn't be so touchy. |
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Post by Brakie on Jul 26, 2015 3:06:58 GMT -8
I think it really doesn't matter what it's called. It's Athearn's entry-level train line. IMHO there is no "entry level" trains except for those that want to sound better then those that still use Athearn RTR,older blue box,Roundhouse,Atlas Trainman or Walthers products.. The funny part is they are fooling no one with that term except their self. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 4:03:01 GMT -8
I'm convinced this was done as a way to keep selling that F7 without watering down the (increasingly detailed) RTR line  |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 26, 2015 4:15:54 GMT -8
My understanding of Athearn's announcement is that the new Roundhouse line is going to feature models with less detail than the RTR line, with lower prices suitable for beginners and young children. The website now shows three levels of detail, Roundhouse, RTR and Genesis. The announcement implies they are re-purposing the Roundhouse brand from its previous 'pre-1940's' era models to include more modern models with the usual Roundhouse level of detail. They may be moving some older RTR models to the Roundhouse line rather than upgrading them to the level of the newer RTR models. I don't think the RTR line will be dropped. This just gives Athearn a new price point that should attract new customers. David That makes the most sense to me. For example Athearn's tunnel motor diesels are well detailed but in the RTR line. Many of the freight cars including the upgraded FMC covered hopper, the North American 50' box cars and others are quite nice, while aothers are much more basic. ExactRail does this already with it's different lines of freight cars. |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 26, 2015 5:47:57 GMT -8
www.athearn.com/newsletter/072415/07_RND_PS-2_2003_072415.pdfThis car was RTR. Now it is Roundhouse. My guess is the former Athearn Blue Box and MDC cars will be sold as Roundhouse. Newer cars like the Airslide or Tunnel Motors will be sold as RTR. But like Exactrail, Athearn is getting its product lines diluted in terms of naming.
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Post by Brakie on Jul 26, 2015 5:53:10 GMT -8
My understanding of Athearn's announcement is that the new Roundhouse line is going to feature models with less detail than the RTR line, with lower prices suitable for beginners and young children. The website now shows three levels of detail, Roundhouse, RTR and Genesis. The announcement implies they are re-purposing the Roundhouse brand from its previous 'pre-1940's' era models to include more modern models with the usual Roundhouse level of detail. They may be moving some older RTR models to the Roundhouse line rather than upgrading them to the level of the newer RTR models. I don't think the RTR line will be dropped. This just gives Athearn a new price point that should attract new customers. David That makes the most sense to me. For example Athearn's tunnel motor diesels are well detailed but in the RTR line. Many of the freight cars including the upgraded FMC covered hopper, the North American 50' box cars and others are quite nice, while aothers are much more basic. ExactRail does this already with it's different lines of freight cars. Very true.. Even the older Roundhouse FMC boxcars and covered hoppers looks far better then their kit brethren as I notice during last week's county fair run a thon. The former BB GP38-2 and GP40-2 is still a good buy and comes with metal grabs as far as mu hoses Atlas sells those as spare parts. |
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 26, 2015 6:44:03 GMT -8
you would think athearn would keep the roundhouse name associated with the roundhouse line of products they purchased.
Seems that will just add confusion for their customers.
On another note if i am not interested in this particular topic I would just not participate instead of being rude.
Pat Coleman
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Post by mrsocal on Jul 26, 2015 7:01:09 GMT -8
Big Al I want to apologize to you. I was having a rough day yesterday and took it out on you and for that I am sorry man. Have a great day today and model hard.
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Post by milgentrains on Jul 26, 2015 7:55:17 GMT -8
Athearn's new announcement interests me greatly because due to illness and economics I find myself at the bottom of the model food chain. Lately all I've been buying is old Blue Box kits. I'll be watching Athearn just a bit closer now.
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Post by atsfan on Jul 26, 2015 7:58:06 GMT -8
Athearn's new announcement interests me greatly because due to illness and economics I find myself at the bottom of the model food chain. Lately all I've been buying is old Blue Box kits. I'll be watching Athearn just a bit closer now. I would not expect any lower prices as a result. The ex Blue Box Caboose is now Roundhouse Branded and $27. Same for the old MDC PS-2 Hopper. Perhaps Athearn is not making any more Genesis Freight Cars explains it. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 26, 2015 8:44:14 GMT -8
Perhaps Athearn is not making any more Genesis Freight Cars explains it. I'm not sure if Athearn is tooling any new Genesis freight cars but among the newly listed announcements are more of the Genesis F89F flat cars, including some new paint schemes, the SP paint jobs. |
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Post by mowingman on Jul 26, 2015 13:29:48 GMT -8
For you youngsters on here, let's set the record straight. It was NOT "Trains Miniature". It was "Train Miniatures". Yes, Walthers bought them out years ago. Ok, so only us old guys would know this bit of trivia.
Jeff
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Jul 26, 2015 13:53:39 GMT -8
Actually, with respect, it was "Train Miniature". Neither word was plural.
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