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Post by curtmc on Aug 31, 2015 4:39:47 GMT -8
They showed a B&O 4801. The real B&O 4801 was a regular GP38 delivered in B&O blue. If Chessie ever had a GP38-2 (they didn't, all Chessie EMD -2s were 40-2s) they would have been delivered in Chessie paint. That one is a big difference and easily noticeable if you can count past 15... The later PS4750s have 18 wide side ribs (making the side panels look thin) and a rounded car roof. (Intermountian has had a PS4750 model in HO for 25+ years, and more recently Tangent RTR and Accurail kits have been added to HO) The narrower side panels of the PS4750 usually limited the paint schemes (including the hundred plus colorful co-op schemes) to single letter per panel, and a 5 or 6 digit road number was spread across three panels. The earlier PS4740s have only 16 thinner side ribs (making the side panels look comparatively wider) and a flat top car roof. (The good 'ole Athearn HO rib-side covered hopper model of 1970s tooling origin is an early PS4740, and Tangent makes an improved RTR version now) The wider side panels of the PS4740 usually allowed for much wider letters, or two letters per panel, and a 5 or 6 digit road number was spread across just two panels. The problem for Athearn (and Bev-Bel) was that there were not many owners of the PS4740 and most of the colorful co-op schemes (and all the mid-1970s to early 1980 RR schemes) were actually PS4750s, so there are a lot of "foobie" cars using the Athearn PS4740. On the other hand there are HUNDREDS of paint schemes for the PS4750 and you would have to wonder why Accurail is going to do incorrect cars among the first 10 releases of their PS4750. I think I was about 12-years old when I realized the differences between those... On Chessie it was also made easier because any B&O, C&O or WM gray long PS "grain" hopper was a PS4740.
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Post by Brakie on Aug 31, 2015 5:08:10 GMT -8
They showed a B&O 4801. The real B&O 4801 was a regular GP38 delivered in B&O blue. If Chessie ever had a GP38-2 (they didn't, all Chessie EMD -2s were 40-2s) they would have been delivered in Chessie paint.
--------------------------------------------------- THUMP! That's the sound of me passing out falling from my chair and hitting the floor. Completely immoral and disgusting. Yes,I had a photo of 4801. My cars may be foos but,I would never buy a engine that was completely wrong. Reminds me of that Tyco supposely Alco thingy that was lettered Chessie..UGH!
The majority of us don't count ribs on covered hopers but,looking at the photos the ribs on the NARX car seems closer together then the ribs on the N&W car.
With that said place both cars on my ISL and the only thing I would pay attention to would be the numbers, what industry and whether it needs to be setout or picked up.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 31, 2015 5:49:55 GMT -8
I was looking at the Atlas Master Line 50' plug door box cars painted for D&RGW and noticed that they are not a dead-on match for the prototypes. Aside from the fact that the solid orange repaint sans roof walk should have the tall ladders cut down, the left side of the prototype has half height ladders vs. the models two grab irons. They are very nice looking models, and I'll probably just accept the compromise and get a couple. Can anyone comment about the other road names and how well they match up? Edit: found the BREX cars on fallenflags and they appear to be dead-on - have the two grabs on the left side. Fallen Flags didn't have the Pennsy numbers but will need to search elsewhere to see if those match up. The Pennsy also looks like a good match: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1194313
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Post by curtmc on Aug 31, 2015 6:15:31 GMT -8
LOL... My first Chessie unit! (I was 10 and it was Christmas present). Well, the C&O did have C630s, and if they had been high nose, lasted a decade longer, got Chessie paint, and had the Alco demonstrator number, well the Tyco might have been close... Anyway, the first 3 Chessie units on the HO market were the Athearn GP35, Athearn U23B and that Tyco C630. And within a year I had all 3... (Still have the Athearns too)
Anyway, back to the topic of the Portland show...
Sounds like the biggest surprises were Wheels-of-Time getting into HO freight cars (SP flat), the PS3 coal hopper from Tangent, and the MTH DMIR Yellowstone (wonder if they'll offer that in Chessie paint too...).
PS. In retrospect I'm surprised MTH didn't do the C&O Allegheny in Chessie Steam Special paint first...
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Post by Spikre on Aug 31, 2015 8:23:11 GMT -8
now and then Mahwah would assemble pick ups,but it wasn't a dedicated assembly line year after year. in the 70s Mahwah was used to store Mercury Capri's for distribution to dealers. they also built large Fords and Mercuries,that was line most friends worked on. its all gone now,replaced by Sharp Plaza. will need to get an Atlas F100 if they make the same shade of Blue that mine was. will wait and see,Atlas usually does a number of colors when production starts up. Spikre
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Post by stevewagner on Aug 31, 2015 10:48:51 GMT -8
Jim Fitch (and others), A photo taken by Jim Sands in Marshalltown, Iowa in 1967 of a car apparently from a slightly earlier series than the one for which Atlas has decorated its model in the Rio Grande's as built livery is on George Elwood's great website at www.rr-fallenflags.org/drgw60718ajs.jpg . The car has two grab irons on the left on the side shown. Unfortunately I'm having trouble trying to post a link to the photo. Does the color of the model look good to D&RGW fans? I'm tempted to get one to replace an old Athearn car with nicely painted sides but ends and roof too old-fashioned to look right for a car built in the 1960's.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 31, 2015 11:10:01 GMT -8
Jim Fitch (and others), A photo taken by Jim Sands in Marshalltown, Iowa in 1967 of a car apparently from a slightly earlier series than the one for which Atlas has decorated its model in the Rio Grande's as built livery is on George Elwood's great website at www.rr-fallenflags.org/drgw60718ajs.jpg . The car has two grab irons on the left on the side shown. Unfortunately I'm having trouble trying to post a link to the photo. Does the color of the model look good to D&RGW fans? I'm tempted to get one to replace an old Athearn car with nicely painted sides but ends and roof too old-fashioned to look right for a car built in the 1960's. Steve, I've got Jim Eagers Color Guide in front of me, and definitely for the number series Atlas printed (60820-60869), they should have half height ladders on the left side, instead of 2 grab irons. Now D&RGW did have GARX RBL's series 50900-50999 and those did have 2 grab irons on the left side, like the Atlas model has. The paint schemes on those are different however - the orange/silver version has lettering with THE DENVER & (over the top of)Rio Grande (over) WESTERN R.R. along with a trangular herald to the right of the band with Insulated CP in the upper left corner. There was a solid orange repaint version with the Insulated CP band in the upper left corner and it's lettered GARX 50921 (in the photo). I'm not sure if those are a dead-on match to the Atlas car, but they look very close if not. Just that Atlas did not paint there's for the 509xxx series. As for the color, both look very good to me vs. the Jim Eager photo's. The Atlas cars are certainly very nice looking - just unfortunately not a correct match as far as the ladders go on the left side. Here is a photo from Fallen Flags: Interestingly, here is a number series not shown in Jim Eagers book - looks like a good match sans the road number: Here is the orange/silver matching the road numbers used on the Altas models:
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Post by stevewagner on Aug 31, 2015 11:34:09 GMT -8
Jim, thanks very much for your response. The photo that I unsuccessfully tried to send is identical to the second of the three you posted with your last message. The side sill on that car, like the ones on the Atlas model, doesn't seem to match the sill of the cars for which Atlas numbered its models, which appears to be recessed. I think the Atlas model is close enough for my purposes.
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Post by stevewagner on Aug 31, 2015 11:50:01 GMT -8
On the other hand, I may wait a few months and instead buy one of Atlas's forthcoming "50' postwar single door box car" models painted as D&RGW 64057 or 64064, since another photo at George Elwell's great website, www.rr-fallenflags.org , of D&RGW 64094, taken by Jim Paker in Auust 1974, shows a car that's even more like that Atlas model than the plug-door car is to the model painted to represent it.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 31, 2015 12:02:29 GMT -8
Steve, yes the 2nd photo doesn't have the recessed sill. Good eye. Mark has pointed out to me that, for those who want to, they could remove the grab irons and replace with half height ladders and match the paint.
The 50' post war single door box car - just checked the Atlas car against Jim Eagers Color Guide, it looks like a dead-on match. It as built in 1956 and Jim Eager's photo was 1974 - apparently repainted and looking just like the Atlas artwork. Looks like a winner.
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Post by Amboy Secondary on Aug 31, 2015 12:03:05 GMT -8
now and then Mahwah would assemble pick ups,but it wasn't a dedicated assembly line year after year. in the 70s Mahwah was used to store Mercury Capri's for distribution to dealers. they also built large Fords and Mercuries,that was line most friends worked on. its all gone now,replaced by Sharp Plaza. will need to get an Atlas F100 if they make the same shade of Blue that mine was. will wait and see,Atlas usually does a number of colors when production starts up. Spikre Well, Edison made'em, so I'm going to need a few open bi-levels and enough F100s to fill two bi-levels. Used to sub for the former Erie TM that had the Main Line/Bergen County Line territory for CR. Usually drove from Oak Island or North Bergen to SF (aka the Leaning Tower of Suffern) to meet and greet the "Hayshaker" crew. Did some exploring of the old lead to Mahwah, (NJT had their GG1 graveyard there), but the Ford plant was long gone by then. Got to wander through the Edison Plant on several occasions, duly noting the vast difference between Edison Ford's conventional assembly line, vs. GM's highly automated robotic assembly lines. Edison was making Rangers and Mazdas back then while GMC was building Blazers, Jimmys and S10s.
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Post by dme6200 on Aug 31, 2015 12:54:28 GMT -8
OK. Thank You. I hope they make many DM&E & IC&E's. Id buy them all. ;-) Bowser is doing the DME/ICE GMD SD40-2s, they're on the Bowser product page (and I already pre-ordered one). I assume if they weren't at the show it's only because they didn't have decorated samples yet. Unfortunately, DME only had the one GMD SD40-2, although ICE had more (and Bowser has 2 numbers announced for them already). I know. I just wanted to see what they used for the blue. It seems no ne can make a correct blue. The IM one's has the best so far.
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Post by Brakie on Sept 1, 2015 16:55:58 GMT -8
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Post by roadkill on Sept 1, 2015 17:08:12 GMT -8
I'm not going to judge the Paducah until I see one in paint. Translucent styrene just doesn't show detail well at all and is all but impossible to photograph. The ride height really isn't that much of a deal either until I see one coupled to a Geep model that sits at thge right deck height above the rail.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 1, 2015 17:23:59 GMT -8
The photo Larry posted looks like a hastily assembled sample. It doesn't HAVE to stay that way. Best wishes on these for folks who want them.
I know you're wondering: Myself, I'd like a BN GP10. Or two.
Ed
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Post by dtinut on Sept 1, 2015 18:10:33 GMT -8
Harry Wong took a bunch of pics at the NTS show, and there are some cool things in the pipe. www.pbase.com/tracktime/nts2015rmc&page=allOne of the things I noticed, is the Bowser shell for the M636, the filters on it, they vary in the condition, some look new, and others look worn out/torn - which is really - a very cool detail. www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/161155076/originalI wonder if these will be a separate part that Bowser with sell? I can see a lot of uses for guys who like to build Alco/MLW units wanting these parts. Anways - Enjoy! Brian
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Post by wmcbride on Sept 1, 2015 18:58:58 GMT -8
Harry Wong took a bunch of pics at the NTS show, and there are some cool things in the pipe. www.pbase.com/tracktime/nts2015rmc&page=allOne of the things I noticed, is the Bowser shell for the M636, the filters on it, they vary in the condition, some look new, and others look worn out/torn - which is really - a very cool detail. www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/161155076/originalI wonder if these will be a separate part that Bowser with sell? I can see a lot of uses for guys who like to build Alco/MLW units wanting these parts. Anways - Enjoy! Brian Wow! Those filters really are a very cool detail! Bill McBride
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Post by 12bridge on Sept 1, 2015 19:50:15 GMT -8
The Intermountain GP10 is downright disappointing. It leaves a lot to be desired.. A shame, as its a needed model.
The Walthers SD70ACe is a mess as well. Great concept, everything looks good, but that front windshield is horrible..
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 2, 2015 5:34:24 GMT -8
Btw, Craig Walker from Athearn confirmed that they will be doing the SDP40F in HO. He said I can post that publicly. Dave That should sell rather well Larry
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Post by riogrande on Sept 2, 2015 6:38:36 GMT -8
The Intermountain GP10 is downright disappointing. It leaves a lot to be desired.. A shame, as its a needed model. I'd wait until the final production model is out before raking it over the coals.
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Post by drolsen on Sept 2, 2015 9:24:47 GMT -8
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Post by TBird1958 on Sept 2, 2015 14:23:35 GMT -8
I'm working on one of his GN Combination door cars right now, it's been fun. This morning I added most of the B end parts to it - I can't wait to get some paint on it!
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