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Post by steveturner on Mar 4, 2017 14:01:23 GMT -8
Too bad I was looking forward to CP and CN green.Steve...............from my dealer
There has been a development at True Line Trains regarding the expected release of the HO SW1200RS models.
Yesterday, TLT announced that they’re cancelling most of the original order group of these models instead will be Issuing a very short list consisting of CN only, black cab and noodle, and red cab and noodle. There will be no CP, no CN 1954 green and yellow and no DC only. Some additional detail parts will be included and must be mounted by the customer.
Retail price is held at $330.00 plus shipping, handling and taxes. In accordance with TLT’s MAP pricing policy, there will be no discounts offered to customers. There will be a limited number of these made and no extras will be available for those who miss the initial opportunity to purchase.
This really sucks for CP modelers and those wishing the CN green scheme.
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Post by dharris on Mar 4, 2017 14:39:37 GMT -8
Hasn't this engine been in the works for a very long time now ?
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Post by shinobi on Mar 4, 2017 15:21:16 GMT -8
TLT are a joke and have been for a long time, there are a good number of stores who completely refuse to deal with them now. I suspect TLT will be closing down sooner rather than later. I'll be amazed if they even manage to ship a single SW1200RS to a customer. At $330 a pop I won't be among them.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 4, 2017 16:04:03 GMT -8
MAP pricing? Are they nuts? Why would you go to all the trouble to make these things and then not try to sell as many as possible?
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Post by thb401 on Mar 4, 2017 16:23:10 GMT -8
From TLTs Facebook page.....
Re-annoucing: SW1200RS Locomotives
This is a big one. A really big one. When announced, this was a brand new model from the rails up. We progressed to the chassis and initial tooling, and decided it wasn't good enough. So we've redesigned it...from the rails up. Again. Six different cabs and seven different hoods. Because we want to do it right.
This current announcement is for the later variations of CN locomotives. CP and other variations will be announced in the coming months...including some US roads as well. That's right, accurate Phase I, II, and III variations.
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Post by ddatrainman on Mar 4, 2017 17:32:07 GMT -8
If you read the full release, they said they would be offering CP and more after the initial run. They are a small company, trying their hardest and I respect what they do.
If they ever get to the RS18u I'll be in line for a few, which who knows if it's likely.
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Post by middledivision on Mar 4, 2017 19:07:02 GMT -8
Too bad I was looking forward to CP and CN green.Steve...............from my dealer There has been a development at True Line Trains regarding the expected release of the HO SW1200RS models. Yesterday, TLT announced that they’re cancelling most of the original order group of these models instead will be Issuing a very short list consisting of CN only, black cab and noodle, and red cab and noodle. There will be no CP, no CN 1954 green and yellow and no DC only. Some additional detail parts will be included and must be mounted by the customer. Retail price is held at $330.00 plus shipping, handling and taxes. In accordance with TLT’s MAP pricing policy, there will be no discounts offered to customers. There will be a limited number of these made and no extras will be available for those who miss the initial opportunity to purchase. This really sucks for CP modelers and those wishing the CN green scheme. MAP stands for Minimum Advertised Price. It does not mean a dealer can't sell below it, they just can't advertise a lower price. They should state they are selling at full retail with no discounts, which is complete BS. |
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Post by steveturner on Mar 4, 2017 19:48:26 GMT -8
From TLT site to set the record straight.
Suggested Prices
At TRUE LINE TRAINS, we use a MAP policy. A MAP policy simply means "MINIMUM ADVERTISED PRICE".
What does this really mean? It means that the LOWEST price we allow to be advertised for our product is the pricing below (in most cases). If your local retailer advertises our product for less than the MAP, we reserve the right not to ship to that store. We work very hard to bring you these models, and don't like to see them being discounted.
Freight Cars
$54.99 (HO)
$34.99 (N)
Vans (Caboose)
$59.99 (HO)
Locomotives (HO Scale)
$229.99 (HO DC / DCC No Sound)
$349.99 (HO DC / DCC Sound)
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Post by slowfreight on Mar 4, 2017 20:32:59 GMT -8
I'll say this for TLT. I own 2 slab-side hoppers and an MP36 from them. The MP36 took WAAAAAAAY too long to ship, and I'm sure the hoppers and the loco cost more than TLT wanted them to cost. BUT, the quality met my expectations based on the hype. In my mind, the unforgivable sin is to cut the quality to hold to a given price...TLT did NOT do that, and to me it's more acceptable to hold the quality standard even if the price has to go up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:39:33 GMT -8
I didn't see anything disappointing in their announcement. In the contrary, they said that they will be doing some US roads. I'm have no doubt that what they eventually release will be better than Athearn or BLI.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 5, 2017 1:07:23 GMT -8
As a seller, I generally avoid MAP stuff unless someone pre-orders it. Because everyone wants a deal, they expect a deal, and other manufacturers let people sell for whatever they like, so some retailers sell for 10% over cost. The buyer doesn't care about the MAP agreement, he just wants a deal. So where I might gamble on an extra or two on something I think people might want otherwise, I'm going to pass if there's a MAP on it.
Usually a MAP has a set time after which you can reduce the price, but with new items having a relatively short window of popularity if anything you have to sell for even less to move it by then.
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Post by Judge Doom on Mar 5, 2017 2:38:34 GMT -8
It's not uncommon to find, say, a stack of $44 TLT cars on hobby store shelves marked down to $25.99 when they're not selling. Most of the shops don't (or can't) advertise it though. The miniboxes and CN reefers come to mind as two examples (got some deals on those a few times).
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Post by dharris on Mar 5, 2017 5:13:09 GMT -8
MAP is nonsense.
Fighting the tide of retail in 2017 with a sand castle.
These engines won't be out until 2018 anyway.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Mar 5, 2017 9:58:38 GMT -8
Digitrax and NCE both have had a MAP policy for decades. IIRC, it's set at 22% off list. So it's not like it's unheard of in this hobby.
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Post by middledivision on Mar 5, 2017 13:14:05 GMT -8
"We work very hard to bring you these models, and don't like to see them being discounted."
Well, as a buyer, I work very hard for my money and I like discounts. These guys have a lot of nerve.
A retailer can sell these for whatever they want. They can only advertise at a certain price. Athearn has a MAP on certain Genesis engines. At some retailers, you add them to your cart and get a lower price.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:01:50 GMT -8
This reads like undeserved venom toward the manufacturer. Most people already know to ignore map pricing and many other manufacturers use it too. Regarding msrp at $330...so what? Rapido, Bowser and others, last I noticed, are already there or will be soon. The TLT box cars I have owned have been wonderful.
Everyone likes to feel they are getting a deal--again, so what--it is no deal if a manufacturer goes under and there is then no support for your product. How is losing another manufacturer going to help this hobby?
Just tell me what it will cost and make a fair profit for yourself. I have no dog in this fight...am steam only.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 5, 2017 15:08:27 GMT -8
Athearn has a MAP on certain Genesis engines. At some retailers, you add them to your cart and get a lower price. I've tried adding MAP priced Athearn items to the cart at MB Klein but the prices stayed the same; it was a Genesis loco but it was the Athearn RTR SD39. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:17:46 GMT -8
Last I checked Tangent and MTH also employed map pricing, or have at times, at least according to the MBK website. I know that MBK likes to show the percentage discount on Tangent items as in you saved (typically all of $2). When I was buying MTH engines, the website clearly reflected map pricing. MBK is generally very scrupulous in complying with manufacturers' wishes. I didn't buy the MTH yellow warbonnet Santa Fe F-7 because they were way way too shiny, and I prefer the fresh look.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 5, 2017 15:34:20 GMT -8
Just check some Tangent items on MBK, not labeled with MAP price - just says "Our Price".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:45:12 GMT -8
The MTH F units and Alco PA's had map pricing a couple years ago
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Post by dharris on Mar 5, 2017 17:36:10 GMT -8
Last I checked Tangent and MTH also employed map pricing, or have at times, at least according to the MBK website. I know that MBK likes to show the percentage discount on Tangent items as in you saved (typically all of $2). When I was buying MTH engines, the website clearly reflected map pricing. MBK is generally very scrupulous in complying with manufacturers' wishes. I didn't buy the MTH yellow warbonnet Santa Fe F-7 because they were way way too shiny, and I prefer the fresh look. Tangent does not do MAP. They have only a very small dealer discount. So there is little room to advertise a low price anyway and still make any money. |
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Post by scl1234 on Mar 6, 2017 5:14:45 GMT -8
MBK is generally very scrupulous in complying with manufacturers' wishes. Indeed. Up to the point of possibly returning stock, that does not sell at MAP, to the original manufacturer. So, just because MBK has it listed, doesn't mean it'll eventually get "blown out" if it stays in stock too long. |
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Post by trainmanjeff on Mar 6, 2017 7:53:34 GMT -8
Guys, this is from Kaslo Shops recent Facebook page post. They are doing both CN and CP SW1200RS body shell kits. It is an alternative for some of us. "SW1200RS - These switchers are pretty close to release as well. I have Tom Poeschel building one up for box art and then we will be ready to go. We will likely release the HL-36 CN Series (1305-1397) GR12r first then the other two." www.kasloshops.com/ |
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Post by areibel on Mar 6, 2017 14:23:01 GMT -8
The OP's post isn't accurate. The guys from TLT responded on the Canadian Trains Yahoo group, the ones announced are the first run. Later runs will include different paint schemes and specific details, but just like most manufacturers they're not all going to come at once.
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Post by canrailfan on Mar 14, 2017 8:55:53 GMT -8
I have received the following information about the True Line Trains from PWRS: PWRS TLT SW1200RS announcementThe model in the photo looks very nice and seems to be close to ready for production. The PWRS explanation of TLT's plans pretty much covers what's already been posted. Hopefully this first batch will sell well and let TLT do other versions in quick succession. I'll be looking for the more modern CN schemes and the CP versions. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Mar 14, 2017 9:24:16 GMT -8
That's a shaded coloured-in 3D rendering, not a physical pre-production model. Whether the tooling has already been made or not is anyone's guess. It's also got the wrong combination of CN later-style handrails with the CN early-style numberboard bodies.
There was criticism on one of the Facebook modeling groups in the past when TLT posted a pre-production photo of what they claimed to be a decorated Canadian Pacific pre-production sample of their SW1200RS model on their Facebook page. It turned out that they were trying to pass a Brass OMI SW1200RS off as their own. They took the photo down after people started calling them out on it.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 14, 2017 9:25:20 GMT -8
These look like they're going to be loverly models.
Did any of these get sent down for use in the lower 48?
In particular, short lines or leasers.
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:22:04 GMT -8
These look like they're going to be loverly models. Did any of these get sent down for use in the lower 48? In particular, short lines or leasers. Ed I'd like to see a photo of the model. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Mar 14, 2017 10:37:13 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Mar 14, 2017 10:42:27 GMT -8
Oh my goodness..WOW! Simply gorgeous. |
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