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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 12:23:12 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s. I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more! Yes.
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Post by sd80mac on Mar 27, 2019 12:35:41 GMT -8
I would argue we could use a Genesis/Rapido/Proto/Scaletrains level SW1 (though the Walthers Mainline SW1 is actually REALLY nice for what is) and NW2 as well. It's a shame Kato wants nothing to do with HO anymore, as their NW2 has great bones.
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Post by orangec on Mar 27, 2019 12:43:03 GMT -8
New Haven specific cabs for ALCO S series would be awesome.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 27, 2019 13:31:14 GMT -8
Is this not a "western" paint scheme? cause the Rocky Mountain Way, is better than the way we had.... So says Joe Walsh! Great photo btw - is that in Golden CO also switching the PC&F RBL box cars? Not mine, though I have a shot just like it in with 1000+ other Kodachromes that need to be digitized someday. This one is linked to North East Rails, and a J. Hunt owner/photog. From my various trips to Golden before the turn of the century, I recall the SW1001 was assigned to a plant that mainly handled covered hoppers (would assume hops?), as opposed to other (older) SW's that were assigned to the brewery (and your beer cars), or the glass plant (different covered hoppers). Jim
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 27, 2019 13:35:21 GMT -8
I think somewhere down the road we will see HO Scale Rapido MLW RS-23 and MLW S-13. Bill. I. Need. Many. S-13s. Photo courtesy Kaluza-Mueller Collection. And all you have to do is slap Sana Fe "warbonnet" and Pennsy 5-stripe on it, and you would sell TONS of them.
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Post by lackawanna1223 on Mar 27, 2019 14:45:20 GMT -8
I am amazed we have not seen high level 44 and 70T switchers yet with the massive amounts made, and shortline potential. THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! I want to build a 50's shortline shelf layout and in the northeast and new england, that pretty much means 44 and 70 tonners (with the odd Alco S). While the 70 might be a hard sell because only a few class I's owned 'em, the 44's were EVERYWHERE. The Bachmann jobbers aren't something I want to base a whole layout around. Brian
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Post by simulatortrain on Mar 27, 2019 16:26:13 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s. I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more! Have you posted pictures of your SW1001s?
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 27, 2019 16:32:28 GMT -8
New Haven specific cabs for ALCO S series would be awesome. With dimensions and a proper model to put it on anything is possible.
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 27, 2019 16:52:52 GMT -8
Somebody was offering NH specific cab kits recently, but I can not recall who. They looked pretty good.
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Post by packer on Mar 27, 2019 17:02:10 GMT -8
If the 1000 was made there’s no reason the 1001 can’t. Wasn’t it only Rio Grande and BN that had them? Of course they’re western roads. At least with the 1001 today, at least 8 schemes (RDG and the various CR/NS/CSX schemes they wore) can be made even if it is only a limited run. The Burlington had some, also. And the BNSF (two schemes). Three, really, if you count BN patched. And the same goes for the Q. Athearn's done five of these--hasn't done the patches yet. Anyway, a reason why the SW1000 was done at all: ya just have to eliminate one exhaust stack (or so I believe). IF you are in the mood to do the SW1500. Apparently, it's not that easy to do an SW1001. Or is it??? Ed I think the SW1000 has a slightly shorter roof radiatior section. Could be wrong. There are a fair amount of short line owners of them.
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Post by ambluco on Mar 27, 2019 17:26:07 GMT -8
Shapeways has them Somebody was offering NH specific cab kits recently, but I can not recall who. They looked pretty good.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 27, 2019 17:36:14 GMT -8
Apparently, it's not that easy to do an SW1001. Or is it??? Ed No, its not. Check out how the walk ways are lower, and the step on the end sheet. The whole thing is "sunken" on the frame, whereas the SW1000 is atop the frame. A real kitbashing mess, possible, but an ugly project. And the cab (not just an old SW cab), radiators, etc.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Mar 27, 2019 17:38:55 GMT -8
Talked to an Athearn rep. at a recent MR show. He said Athearn won't be doing any new switchers soon because they've ALL been done! They haven't offered any new road names or re-releases of their SW1000 and SW1500 in almost 5 years
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 27, 2019 17:50:37 GMT -8
I think the SW1000 has a slightly shorter roof radiatior section. Now that you got me looking: Yup, quite a bit shorter--about 2/3 as long as on a 1500. Still, probably not all that a big deal to allow for if you're doing a 1500, also.
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Post by carrman on Mar 27, 2019 18:42:15 GMT -8
Talked to an Athearn rep. at a recent MR show. He said Athearn won't be doing any new switchers soon because they've ALL been done! Yeah because so many plastic S6's have been done.
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 27, 2019 18:51:02 GMT -8
I think the SW1000 has a slightly shorter roof radiatior section. Now that you got me looking: Yup, quite a bit shorter--about 2/3 as long as on a 1500. Still, probably not all that a big deal to allow for if you're doing a 1500, also. The entire hood itself is different, not just the radiators. The door arrangement differs slightly. Either way, I agree, its been some time since we have seen SW1000s and SW1500s from Athearn (MP15ACs as well). All three are great engines all the way around.
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Post by carrman on Mar 27, 2019 19:18:14 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Athearns having a surprise announcement Friday night at James Wrights house of a Genesis locomotive that "has never been done in plastic before" and weighs 17.5 ounces.
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Post by csx3305 on Mar 27, 2019 19:57:16 GMT -8
Now that you got me looking: Yup, quite a bit shorter--about 2/3 as long as on a 1500. Still, probably not all that a big deal to allow for if you're doing a 1500, also. The entire hood itself is different, not just the radiators. The door arrangement differs slightly. If memory serves, the SW1001 hood is actually taller than a standard SW hood. IIRC these are the units that had risers under the engine block, so the oil sump/pan would have enough clearance. (Note that the frame rails are a lot shallower height than an SW1500.) So they made the hood a few inches taller to clear the manifold. So basically every single major external feature is different. I think a lot of people just incorrectly assume these units are SW1000's with a shorter cab. And I also might point out that one big reason the SW1000 got made was that it shares a lot of parts with SW1500, from a model standpoint. Just an alternate hood tooling, more or less? I don't have any SW1000, so I don't know if Athearn used the same sills across both.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 27, 2019 20:13:47 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Athearns having a surprise announcement Friday night at James Wrights house of a Genesis locomotive that "has never been done in plastic before" and weighs 17.5 ounces. If it ain't a switcher, we don't care. See topic title. Ed
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Post by trainworm on Mar 27, 2019 20:36:02 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s. I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more! Have you posted pictures of your SW1001s? I posted a thread way back when I built them. I'll have to try and find it.
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Post by roadkill on Mar 28, 2019 7:44:32 GMT -8
Talked to an Athearn rep. at a recent MR show. He said Athearn won't be doing any new switchers soon because they've ALL been done! Yeah because so many plastic S6's have been done. I got a couple, right next to my plastic T6's...
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Mar 28, 2019 14:28:28 GMT -8
The guy who created the NH S-1 cab on Shapeways is Mike Redden. He's an NHRHTA guy and a pretty good modeler. He had them on display at the NERPM meet and I liked the way they looked. But be advised the prices at Shapeways just went up.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 28, 2019 14:44:30 GMT -8
On the topic of ALCo S-series...
How about proper S-3 and S-4 models? To date, it seems that manufacturers are good with sticking AAR-A trucks under an S-1 or S-2. I have noticed that many (all?) S-3/4 are more welded, especially cabs, than the S-1/2. Maybe it is a "phase" thing, or production date cut over, maybe someone here knows.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 28, 2019 15:19:32 GMT -8
To my post above, likely a phase thing. Note the car body vents are different, hood and cab seem to be missing rivets, and cab windows are rounded on the corners (gasketed?). But we know not all S-4 units had this vent configuration. Absolutely not just an S-2 with AAR trucks. Almost an S-6 look to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 15:34:31 GMT -8
I remember years and years ago people had been asking atlas for an nw5 for many more years before that and finally paul graff responded by asking one of the well known posters if they were kidding and how much of a loss it would probably be because of the lack of road names ect. Somebody please prove them wrong. Atlas has been falling behind for years, but it does seem like lately they have been announcing more freight cars of a higher detail caliber. I think they are works from which craig walker had been working on before exiting the industry but i do believe he does still work behind the scenes at atlas on the west coast, in his spare time.
How about a high quality sw-1.
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Post by marknycfan on Mar 28, 2019 15:37:01 GMT -8
How about an SW-1 and a Box Cab, all new tooling and current quality drive?
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Post by roadkill on Mar 28, 2019 17:25:43 GMT -8
All I know is I'd be good for 2 S6's (Western Maryland 151 & 152) and at least a couple of N&W T6's. One can dream...
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Post by simulatortrain on Mar 28, 2019 19:46:27 GMT -8
On the topic of ALCo S-series... How about proper S-3 and S-4 models? To date, it seems that manufacturers are good with sticking AAR-A trucks under an S-1 or S-2. I have noticed that many (all?) S-3/4 are more welded, especially cabs, than the S-1/2. Maybe it is a "phase" thing, or production date cut over, maybe someone here knows. I believe some late S2s had gasketed windows, and some early S4s had aluminum frames like S2s. It may have been an option for a time. I've been giving a lot of thought to printing correct S2 cabs, and doing gasketed ones with and without rivets while I'm at it.
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Post by carrman on Mar 28, 2019 19:55:35 GMT -8
I remember years and years ago people had been asking atlas for an nw5 for many more years before that and finally paul graff responded by asking one of the well known posters if they were kidding and how much of a loss it would probably be because of the lack of road names ect. Somebody please prove them wrong. Atlas has been falling behind for years, but it does seem like lately they have been announcing more freight cars of a higher detail caliber. I think they are works from which craig walker had been working on before exiting the industry but i do believe he does still work behind the scenes at atlas on the west coast, in his spare time. How about a high quality sw-1. You mean Rob Pisani?
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 29, 2019 1:35:18 GMT -8
NW5 is tough. GN and BN would sell, I know a guy who would buy some of each. Southern would sell, but they just had one. The Union Depot, Mississippi Export, Cargill? Mass Central probably a few. Only like two BN were ever repainted, and the one to Phoenix Steel there seems to be no pictures of.
The only help it gets is the hood and most of the cab could also be used for an NW2 and the trucks plenty of tooling already exists. It might be better served as a 3d print conversion kit giving you a frame, short hood, and maybe longer driveshafts and you supply the long hood and a parts engine for the drive.
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