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Post by trainworm on Mar 26, 2019 19:24:30 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s.
I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 26, 2019 19:43:10 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm still waiting for NW3's and NW5's.
Why do YOU think the manufacturers are not all over this? If it can be figured out, perhaps there's a way to modify their views on this matter.
Ed
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 26, 2019 20:00:50 GMT -8
Look's like visual differences aren't too much that a little "bashing" of a SW1000 would make a credible SW1001.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 26, 2019 20:10:56 GMT -8
Sure could use some "Genesis" Rapido level GE 70 tonners.
Jim
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 26, 2019 20:25:14 GMT -8
It would take some serious work to kit ash an SW1000 into a 1001. The frame height is totally different.
I think we are long overdue for some high quality switchers of all varieties. Alco S series, as well as early SW and NWs, and I dare say a TR calf.
I am amazed we have not seen high level 44 and 70T switchers yet with the massive amounts made, and shortline potential.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Mar 26, 2019 21:42:43 GMT -8
I think what has scared manufacturers away from the SW1001 is that the vast majority of original owners are industrial roads. The only mainline roads that had them were Reading, Long Island, and EJ&E. That fact minimizes multiple unit sales and pretty much locks out the CSX, NS, Union Pacific, and BNSF crowds (did I read somewhere that either CSX or NS is a secondary owner for some reason? Still won't insure a heckuva lot of additional sales.)
I've long been lobbying for Genesis-quality EMD NW and SW switchers. And of course the long-shot Lima switcher. There are a LOT of roadnames for the EMDs in particular, although again they won't benefit from the multiple unit sales of a road diesel and those modelling present-day Class 1s. (Although, I have bought multiple units of the Atlas Alco S2 in LV and EL, and may do the same with the recently announced LNE, because who knows when there'll be another run?)
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Post by WFN12 on Mar 26, 2019 23:23:13 GMT -8
Sigh. It seems that manufacturers are mostly into modern 2nd and third generation to modern diesels. Mostly the six axle variety.
Models highly needed are
GE
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70 ton
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S5/6
T6
MLW
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Sw1001. Also one can add a NW2 with all versions the Kato is dated and hardly offers many versions.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 27, 2019 0:08:06 GMT -8
The Atlas MP15DC just won locomotive of the year. Maybe this award will prompt other manufacturers to release new switchers so that they too can win this award. VBG.
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Post by brakie on Mar 27, 2019 2:25:06 GMT -8
A Lima 1000hp yard switcher would be welcome by many..
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Post by simulatortrain on Mar 27, 2019 3:04:20 GMT -8
did I read somewhere that either CSX or NS is a secondary owner for some reason? Both, actually! Former RDG/CR units. I could get into a RDG 1001, but a WM S6 or even NW T6 would really be nice. We absolutely need a definitive Alco S-series switcher, as although the new Atlas Master ones are much improved, the cab is still way off. Compare it to the RS1 cab- there's not near enough vertical overhang of the roof on the S cab (and not its only shortcoming.) Proto didn't get it right either. Speaking of the new S2s, can somebody who has one post a picture from below? I expect not, but I'm just curious whether they did anything to make the frame more detail-ready (i.e. no/less milling required.) The old ones have a bottom profile similar to that of the bolsters along their entire length. |
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Post by csx3305 on Mar 27, 2019 3:10:52 GMT -8
I've always had an interest in the GE 70-tonners, although I have absolute zero justification for one, given my primary road and era. I wouldn't mind seeing a high-end version with phase options. Would buy one or two, for display and occasional running. The near three-decade-old Bachmann model's street price surpassed its value/worth quite some time ago.
I highly recommend the Ronald D. Sims book on the subject.
Athearn still has plenty of schemes they could do on the SW1500 and MP15AC.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Mar 27, 2019 5:18:28 GMT -8
did I read somewhere that either CSX or NS is a secondary owner for some reason? Both, actually! Former RDG/CR units. I could get into a RDG 1001, but a WM S6 or even NW T6 would really be nice. We absolutely need a definitive Alco S-series switcher, as although the new Atlas Master ones are much improved, the cab is still way off. Compare it to the RS1 cab- there's not near enough vertical overhang of the roof on the S cab (and not its only shortcoming.) Proto didn't get it right either. Speaking of the new S2s, can somebody who has one post a picture from below? I expect not, but I'm just curious whether they did anything to make the frame more detail-ready (i.e. no/less milling required.) The old ones have a bottom profile similar to that of the bolsters along their entire length. Oh that's right, the Reading units via Conrail! Thanks. There's a pretty clear bottom view at the following URL, second column of photos, 9th photo down: railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=11673 |
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Post by bdhicks on Mar 27, 2019 5:20:47 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 5:30:32 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s. I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more!
The hobby in North America is dominated by the view that everyone is either building huge basement empires, or modules for huge module empires, where we are all running long trains with 3 or 4 units on the front. That, combined with the fact that there are still larger diesels waiting to be done, seems to mean that the manufacturers are focusing on what the "know" sells.
Then there is the roadname issue, or more precisely lack of, that can make a company hesitant. The SW1001 has been already discussed but the T6 is essentially just a N&W loco and thus deemed a risky proposition - though add in a few Pennsy sales and then just general sales from people who are fans of Alco and someone probably could be successful.
What is really missing, and could help for some of this more risky/niche models, is a retailer directly dealing with a China factory which changes the economics on what is viable.
In the UK you have 2 retailers dealing directly with China to bring out models, as wells as another 2 commissioning models from existing companies, and they are mostly bringing out models that the larger companies with the overhead of distribution aren't.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 27, 2019 5:51:00 GMT -8
The hobby in North America is dominated by the view that everyone is either building huge basement empires, or modules for huge module empires, where we are all running long trains with 3 or 4 units on the front. That, combined with the fact that there are still larger diesels waiting to be done, seems to mean that the manufacturers are focusing on what the "know" sells. What sells - agreed. I do see people posting about switching layouts so they are out there too, but it also might be a perception by the manufacturers that some or many of the switchers listed may not sell in numbers needed to recoup the R&D/tooling/productions costs. Heck, I've been waiting for ages for what seemed like a pretty common EMD switcher, the SW1200, now finally coming out in many road names from two makers. |
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Post by thb401 on Mar 27, 2019 6:22:00 GMT -8
I think somewhere down the road we will see HO Scale Rapido MLW RS-23 and MLW S-13.
Bill.
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Post by roadkill on Mar 27, 2019 7:25:19 GMT -8
It's been forever since any new switchers have come out that aren't just variations of something already produced. But there are still two giant gaps, the SW1001 and the Alco T6. Is there a chance either will ever be produced? EMD built more SW1001s than SW1000s. I've been bugging everyone I can for a SW1001 for years now but still no luck. I wonder if there is actually a market for them. They were pretty much an east coast locomotive except for the ones that made it to Galveston. Those are the ones I really want. I've built two using the 3d printed shells but I need more! Add the S6 to that list too. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 27, 2019 7:51:01 GMT -8
Sigh. It seems that manufacturers are mostly into modern 2nd and third generation to modern diesels. Mostly the six axle variety. Models highly needed are GE 44 ton 70 ton Alco S5/6 T6 MLW S13 RS23 EMD SC NW3 NW5 Sw1001. Also one can add a NW2 with all versions the Kato is dated and hardly offers many versions. Have had multiple requests for a late FM H12-44, but that is kinda expected with the road I roll with. |
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Post by loco8107 on Mar 27, 2019 9:03:27 GMT -8
If the 1000 was made there’s no reason the 1001 can’t. Wasn’t it only Rio Grande and BN that had them? Of course they’re western roads. At least with the 1001 today, at least 8 schemes (RDG and the various CR/NS/CSX schemes they wore) can be made even if it is only a limited run.
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 27, 2019 9:11:27 GMT -8
No love for the Rapido GMD-1, SW1200RS and announced SW1200?
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 27, 2019 9:27:20 GMT -8
No love for the Rapido GMD-1, SW1200RS and announced SW1200? Great models, but technically the GMD-1 and SW1200RS are not switchers. Even though that is what they spent a large chunk of their lives doing. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 27, 2019 9:29:20 GMT -8
If the 1000 was made there’s no reason the 1001 can’t. Wasn’t it only Rio Grande and BN that had them? Of course they’re western roads. At least with the 1001 today, at least 8 schemes (RDG and the various CR/NS/CSX schemes they wore) can be made even if it is only a limited run. The Burlington had some, also. And the BNSF (two schemes). Three, really, if you count BN patched. And the same goes for the Q. Athearn's done five of these--hasn't done the patches yet. Anyway, a reason why the SW1000 was done at all: ya just have to eliminate one exhaust stack (or so I believe). IF you are in the mood to do the SW1500. Apparently, it's not that easy to do an SW1001. Or is it??? Ed |
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Post by rapidotrains on Mar 27, 2019 9:30:20 GMT -8
I think somewhere down the road we will see HO Scale Rapido MLW RS-23 and MLW S-13. Bill. I. Need. Many. S-13s.   Photo courtesy Kaluza-Mueller Collection. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 27, 2019 9:40:45 GMT -8
I think somewhere down the road we will see HO Scale Rapido MLW RS-23 and MLW S-13. Bill. I. Need. Many. S-13s. Photo courtesy Kaluza-Mueller Collection. And a static grass applicator if you don't already have one, judging from the photo!  |
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 27, 2019 9:50:23 GMT -8
Talked to an Athearn rep. at a recent MR show. He said Athearn won't be doing any new switchers soon because they've ALL been done!
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 27, 2019 9:51:39 GMT -8
Is this not a "western" paint scheme?  cause the Rocky Mountain Way, is better than the way we had.... |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 27, 2019 9:56:52 GMT -8
No love for the Rapido GMD-1, SW1200RS and announced SW1200? Great models, but technically the GMD-1 and SW1200RS are not switchers. Even though that is what they spent a large chunk of their lives doing. The SW1200RS is a switcher with Flexicoil trucks, and from what I’ve read, they were not even originally designated as anything but switchers by the manufacturer until long after they were built. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 27, 2019 10:03:10 GMT -8
Is this not a "western" paint scheme? cause the Rocky Mountain Way, is better than the way we had.... So says Joe Walsh! Great photo btw - is that in Golden CO also switching the PC&F RBL box cars? |
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 27, 2019 11:12:14 GMT -8
Great models, but technically the GMD-1 and SW1200RS are not switchers. Even though that is what they spent a large chunk of their lives doing. The SW1200RS is a switcher with Flexicoil trucks, and from what I’ve read, they were not even originally designated as anything but switchers by the manufacturer until long after they were built. They were geared for 65 MPH and had the same draft gear as all other GMD road units. CP classed them as road switchers right from the moment they arrived on the property. CP had many rules for moving switchers dead-in-tow which applied to SW8s and 9s, Alco/MLW S series, etc but none of those rules applied to the SW1200RS. |
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Post by roadkill on Mar 27, 2019 11:49:12 GMT -8
No love for the Rapido GMD-1, SW1200RS and announced SW1200? The SW1200 I can use, but the other two are no-gos for me. |
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