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Post by rapidotrains on Jun 12, 2019 10:42:34 GMT -8
I think because the three pack includes a cab car with headlights etc whereas the single car is a trailer with just interior lighting. Although I’ve just realised the undec cab car is the same price as the trailers You shouldn't have said anything! The price should be $119.95 so we are going to fix that. One person got $20 off. -Jason
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Post by notabob on Jun 13, 2019 0:56:30 GMT -8
notabob, The Rapido MBTA F40PH's are not "as delivered". The "as delivered" locos had the red "bug eye" markers on the nose and a different paint scheme with the black windshield area and wide yellow nose stripes. These models don't have the bug eyes; the Rapido models have the red markers are next to the number boards and the conventional paint scheme, which means that these are the "as rebuilt" F40PH's. In 1989-90, the F40PH's were all rebuilt and as such they had no ditch lights. They did not receive ditch lights until 1998-ish, and when they did it the T used a different purple paint to cover up the area above the ditchlights, which they never fixed. So, to sum up 1013-1017: 1980-1990: Red bug eye markers, no ditchlights, 1013 repainted into reverse MBTA scheme in 1985. 1990-1998: No bug eyes, no ditchlights, all repainted into “normal” MBTA scheme. 1999-2015: No bug eyes, added ditchlights with lighter purple patches above until out-of-service in 2015. The Rapido model will be accurate for 1990-1998. Paul, Thank you for the clarification. I hadn't realized there was an interim 1990-98 "phase". Good to know! That said, there still seems to be a strong preference among the users for the later 1999-2015 units with ditch lights. I would expect the run to be more commercially successful if the variant that is of higher interest to the target market is offered.
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Post by talltim on Jun 13, 2019 1:44:22 GMT -8
Paul, do you have similar information on the dates for the various changes to the MBTA 1300 series Comet cars?
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Post by astrosa on Jun 13, 2019 4:58:58 GMT -8
Paul, do you have similar information on the dates for the various changes to the MBTA 1300 series Comet cars? I'm not a Paul, but NETransit is an excellent source of information on all MBTA equipment: www.transithistory.org/roster/Note, the 300 and 1300 series cars were built by Pullman and predate the much more common Bombardier versions. As built, they looked like a hybrid between the original EL/NJDOT Comet I cars and the later Comet II design. They were all rebuilt into coaches by Amerail in 1996 and renumbered in the 200 series. Many of them have power-opening side doors for Old Colony branch service. It's been suggested to Rapido that it might make more sense to offer car numbers from the 600 and 1600 series, built by Bombardier circa 1989. We'll see if they update their announcement.
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Post by astrosa on Jun 13, 2019 5:08:34 GMT -8
notabob, The Rapido MBTA F40PH's are not "as delivered". The "as delivered" locos had the red "bug eye" markers on the nose and a different paint scheme with the black windshield area and wide yellow nose stripes. These models don't have the bug eyes; the Rapido models have the red markers are next to the number boards and the conventional paint scheme, which means that these are the "as rebuilt" F40PH's. In 1989-90, the F40PH's were all rebuilt and as such they had no ditch lights. They did not receive ditch lights until 1998-ish, and when they did it the T used a different purple paint to cover up the area above the ditchlights, which they never fixed. So, to sum up 1013-1017: 1980-1990: Red bug eye markers, no ditchlights, 1013 repainted into reverse MBTA scheme in 1985. 1990-1998: No bug eyes, no ditchlights, all repainted into “normal” MBTA scheme. 1999-2015: No bug eyes, added ditchlights with lighter purple patches above until out-of-service in 2015. The Rapido model will be accurate for 1990-1998. ambluco, They aren't making the 1000-1012 F40PH's, probably because they are probably an earlier phase model. The 1013-1017 F40PH's were ordered and delivered a year after the first batch. I also want to add that if you compare photos of MBTA 1013-1017 from the 1990-1998 era to NJT's as-built F40PH units (4113-4129), they look almost identical. There are just a few minor detail differences like the cab-mounted bell on the MBTA units and the strobes on the NJT units. I don't believe any NJT units got ditch lights until they were totally rebuilt as F40PH-2CAT with the longer carbody to house separate HEP equipment.
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 13, 2019 7:55:41 GMT -8
Astrosa is correct, ditch lights were added to NJT F40's when rebuilt into F40PH-2CAT. They are as follows: NJT 4113 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 9/96 NJT 4114 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 5/98 NJT 4115 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 6/98 NJT 4116 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 10/97 NJT 4117 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 10/97 NJT 4118 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 7/97 NJT 4119 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 7/98 **still on active NJT roster. NJT 4120 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 6/97 **still on active NJT roster. NJT 4121 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 11/97 NJT 4122 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 3/98 NJT 4123 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 8/98 NJT 4124 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 4/98 NJT 4125 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 12/97 NJT 4126 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 4/98 NJT 4127 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 1/98 NJT 4128 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 2/98 NJT 4129 F40PH-2 to F40PH-2CAT 7/98 For CAT installation, the carbody was extended and rear platform eliminated to fit CAT HEP unit . Special note: NJT 4113 got the larger 2500 gallon fuel tank, this was deemed unnecessary during future rebuilds, so all the others kept their 1500 gallon tanks. www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=74993as built www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1190859after -CAT converstion (larger tank.) Rapido's version of NJ Transit's F40 as illustrated (no ditch lights) served a LONG time in the as-delivered version. Ditch lights would only be accurate for the -CAT rebuilds. -Martin
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jun 13, 2019 8:27:43 GMT -8
talltim and astrosa,
Hmm... Yeah, there might be a problem with the numbers that Rapido has picked for the MBTA cars. The first of the 300/1300 cars (specifically 300-344 and 1300-1314) were built in 1978-79 with 2-pane side windows. The 1300-1314 cab ends never had diaphragms or ditchlights, and the horn wasn't centered over the end, but tilted over the engineer's window. Also, the 1300-1314 cars still had their "as built" paint scheme with the wide yellow end stripes until they were rebuilt in 1996. The cab cars were all renumbered into the 200's (245-258) as regular coaches (yes, they removed the cab and blanked out the windows). Ditch lights on the T weren't really added to the equipment until the late 1990's (around 1998), so they couldn't have been added to the 1300's because by that point, they were all 200-series non-cab cars.
If Rapido leaves the numbers as they are now, splits all the side windows, removes the ditch lights and cab diaphragm, changes the cab paint scheme and moves the air horn, the cars would be correct for 1978-1996.
If Rapido changes the numbers from the 300's/1300's to the 600's/1600's and leaves the ditch lights, then they would be correct from 1998 to 2019 (the end user could add decals for all the modern updates like the emergency exit signs, etc.). If they remove the ditch lights, they would be accurate for 1989 to 1998.
To add to this, the Rapido MBTA F40PH is accurate for 1990-1998, so one would think they would want matching equipment; if the F40PH's are not going to have ditch lights, then the cars shouldn't have ditch lights, either. But if the cars have ditch lights, then the engine should, too. Quite the dilemma they have on their hands...
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 13, 2019 8:44:22 GMT -8
I do believe Rapido has discovered some things.
There are aware of some MBTA number issues (perhaps they can clarify more) as I do not want to mis-quote.
For NJT Comet coaches.... it is showing 53XX series, this is the number series AFTER rebuilding to Comet IIM's. They are aware now the original numbers were in the 56XX-57XX coach series.
They are working very hard (and with the Comets going through so many different rebuilds and modifications, it can get confusing LOL), but expect them to elaborate more on the revisions and corrections.
For NJT fans, the F40's and Cab cars will be NON-ditch light equipped (ie... as delivered.)
-Martin
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Post by rapidotrains on Jun 14, 2019 14:04:35 GMT -8
So...
It looks like we may need to change some numbers.
I will ask Josh to have a look at this thread.
Thanks guys!
-Jason
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 17, 2019 11:17:04 GMT -8
Thank you so much Josh, Jason, and the whole Rapido family!
So if these sell well, what are the odds of having some Comet IB coach and cab cars down the road? I figured this would be TOO regional, but lately, the hoard of Comet IB requests/suggestions on Facebook and such is leading me to believe otherwise. Besides NJT, it can be done for Amtrak California (also a lot of requests!)
-Martin
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Post by el3672 on Jun 17, 2019 21:22:06 GMT -8
Guys ya'll gotta buy a bunch of these Kool phase 2 Comet II cars, kick azz beautiful. Buy many so Rapido will consider doing a run of the original phase 1 EL/NJDOT/NJT version & paint schemes.
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 20, 2019 7:29:13 GMT -8
Oh don't worry, I plan to amass a fleet of NJT Comets to run 8-9 sets! I have been waiting for much better detailed NJT cars for 20 years; hope you enjoy the $5,000 cash injection Rapido!
-Martin
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Post by notabob on Jun 21, 2019 8:25:30 GMT -8
So... It looks like we may need to change some numbers. I will ask Josh to have a look at this thread. Thanks guys! -Jason
Hi Jason (and Josh),
Thanks for following up and trying to make the models more accurate. I'd once again like to suggest that Rapido consider making the MBTA F40PHs with the ditch lights for this run. As a bit of focus group research, I ran a poll in the MBTA modelers group. After 10 days, 42 out of the group's 304 members participated and 76.2% of the responses were asking for the ditch lighted variant of the MBTA F40PH, vs. the as-proposed version.
Hope this bit of info helps.
-Notabob.
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 25, 2019 12:02:27 GMT -8
Hello Rapido, I have just noticed this:
"*NJ Transit Release is subject to NJ Transit licence agreement. Graphics and artwork may change depending on NJ Transit feedback."
With regard to the Comet II upcoming models. Are there ongoing licensing issues with NJT? I know they protect their logos big time. NJT will be a big seller and we hope these models will be produced!
-Martin
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Post by rapidotrains on Jun 25, 2019 14:21:47 GMT -8
Hello Rapido, I have just noticed this: "*NJ Transit Release is subject to NJ Transit licence agreement. Graphics and artwork may change depending on NJ Transit feedback." With regard to the Comet II upcoming models. Are there ongoing licensing issues with NJT? I know they protect their logos big time. NJT will be a big seller and we hope these models will be produced! -Martin It's no issue. We're in discussions with NJ Transit to get the licence and we're fairly confident that it will be in place before production. We are also getting an MBTA licence. We're not used to getting licences as most class 1 railroads don't want us to bug them. But it seems the commuter railroads prefer to have them. -Jason
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Post by NJT4130 on Jun 25, 2019 14:33:07 GMT -8
Phew! Thank you Jason. I have $5k already set aside for NJ Transit
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