|
|
Post by tony on Aug 26, 2023 7:05:05 GMT -8
If the wheels axles need to be "broken in" and it only takes 30 seconds, then why not do this at the factory as part of the final QC before packaging ?
Hate to ask this again, but Why China? It can't be the cost - and it can't be the quality.
|
|
|
|
Post by cemr5396 on Aug 26, 2023 14:05:18 GMT -8
If the wheels axles need to be "broken in" and it only takes 30 seconds, then why not do this at the factory as part of the final QC before packaging ? Hate to ask this again, but Why China? It can't be the cost - and it can't be the quality. combination of cost and expertise. Yes the cost is rising but they are still lower than most places AND they have the experience. The cost of doing business there is going to have to get a lot higher before anyone starts thinking about packing up and leaving, because you would have to start from scratch in whatever place you move to. The Chinese are not to blame for models showing up with bad QC. If a company wants thorough QC done on their products before they leave the factory, they will get it. The Chinese are not opposed to doing it, but if they aren't asked to do it, they aren't going to. They won't do it for free, of course. Every time someone complains about QC and how it's "China's fault" I say just look at Tangent. Their stuff is made in China too and it blows everyone else's out of the water. |
|
|
|
Post by locochris on Aug 26, 2023 21:02:13 GMT -8
I noticed when taking off the trucks that the wheels can't be removed.
|
|
|
|
Post by lvrr325 on Aug 26, 2023 21:58:21 GMT -8
Another reason to not do it is the amount of models that never leave their boxes.
|
|
|
|
Post by soolinerr on Aug 29, 2023 7:23:36 GMT -8
Kinda glad I missed out on this one.
|
|
|
|
Post by locochris on Aug 29, 2023 11:14:37 GMT -8
The rolling quality is lacking. It is because they have rotating roller bearings. Look good, but I would rather have molded on roller bearings and better rolling quality. Not bitching, just an observation. I agree. I did the "fix" on the piece of paper in the box and they still don't roll very well. I don't understand why some people feel the need to have rotating bearings when it can affect operation so much. Not to mention those pesky things falling off from time to time. I've noted that Athearn, ScaleTrains, Tangent and ClassOneModelWorks seem to like rotating bearing caps while Walthers, Atlas, Rapido, Moloco, Intermountain and the former Exactrail do not seem to like them. Funny how it's split like that.
Someone torched ClassOneModelWorks on their Facebook page about the warped flatcars, I figured it had to be one of the ARF users  |
|
|
|
Post by Colin 't Hart on Aug 29, 2023 11:56:20 GMT -8
Someone torched ClassOneModelWorks on their Facebook page about the warped flatcars, I figured it had to be one of the ARF users Link? |
|
|
|
Post by locochris on Aug 29, 2023 12:01:01 GMT -8
Someone torched ClassOneModelWorks on their Facebook page about the warped flatcars, I figured it had to be one of the ARF users Link?
|
|
|
|
Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2023 13:08:13 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to Class One posting a description of this easy fix on their website.
That would be the one where I bought the cars, and would buy more.
Ed
|
|
|
|
Post by fishbelly on Aug 29, 2023 13:54:16 GMT -8
If the wheels axles need to be "broken in" and it only takes 30 seconds, then why not do this at the factory as part of the final QC before packaging ? Hate to ask this again, but Why China? It can't be the cost - and it can't be the quality. Definitely not the quality. You do not go to China for quality. You go to Japan on that side of the world. I can't believe it is cost anymore. If it is cost, then the manufacturers are seriously gouging us on markup. It is because China is already setup to do the manufacturing. No other place in the world right now is setup for this kind of manufacturing. |
|
|
|
Post by fr8kar on Aug 29, 2023 14:16:04 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to Class One posting a description of this easy fix on their website. That would be the one where I bought the cars, and would buy more. Ed |
|
|
|
Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2023 14:24:58 GMT -8
Thanks, Ryan!
Ed
|
|
|
|
Post by lvrr325 on Aug 29, 2023 16:34:07 GMT -8
China will make you good quality, but you have to pay for it, and supervise closely.
Even Kato has things made in China now.
The problem with plastic is if it gets warm sometimes it changes shape, used to be you had to leave it out in the sun for that, but say 30-45 days in a shipping container with the sun beating down on it could be they got warm enough to warp a little. Or it could just be the shape of the car and the way it's cast.
Either way it's their first time and I'm not going to beat them up too bad as long as they're willing to cover you if you want to return one. Now if these kind of things continue into other releases, then there's a legit reason to avoid their products.
|
|
|
|
Post by soolinerr on Aug 29, 2023 17:09:01 GMT -8
At least its not the zinc problem
|
|
|
|
Post by theengineshed on Aug 29, 2023 17:18:23 GMT -8
At least its not the zinc problem Well, not yet! To be fair to COMW, I have had to bend a few Athearn F89s, and those were Genesis. The GSC repair does look less stressful, no pun intended... |
|
|
|
Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2023 17:29:05 GMT -8
At least its not the zinc problem Right. That comes along years later. Ed |
|
|
|
Post by packer on Aug 29, 2023 20:22:00 GMT -8
At least its not the zinc problem Well, not yet! To be fair to COMW, I have had to bend a few Athearn F89s, and those were Genesis. The GSC repair does look less stressful, no pun intended... Is there some procedure to this? I got 1 that needs to bend, and another that seems to ride high. |
|
jako
Junior Member
Posts: 78
|
Post by jako on Aug 30, 2023 1:46:29 GMT -8
Moin
My GSC flatcars have also arrived. Also with slightly bent ends. I disassembled the cars and bent the frame and reworked the brake linkage, now it looks better.
Greeting Sven
|
|
|
|
Post by gevohogger on Aug 30, 2023 3:43:07 GMT -8
LOL That's hardly "torching" them. These are $65 "state of the art" cars. Not $9 LBF leftovers or similar cars where this type of "repair" is the norm. I am not sure I'd have been this calm with them. |
|
|
|
Post by simulatortrain on Aug 31, 2023 7:52:46 GMT -8
Going on 2 weeks trying to get a response for missing bearings.
|
|
|
|
Post by snootie3257 on Aug 31, 2023 8:07:53 GMT -8
Going on 2 weeks trying to get a response for missing bearings. Let’s hope they’re not following the Arrowhead lead with a lack of communication!🙁 I’m thinking not but… Steve |
|
|
|
Post by simulatortrain on Aug 31, 2023 9:08:27 GMT -8
New bearings are on the way. Thanks guys!
|
|
gnfan
Full Member
Posts: 110
|
Post by gnfan on Aug 31, 2023 15:55:57 GMT -8
New bearings are on the way. Thanks guys! Mine too! David B. |
|
|
|
Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Sept 2, 2023 8:58:07 GMT -8
And a patience button….V&O ? Hmmm  |
|
|
|
Post by ChessieFan1978 on Sept 2, 2023 9:39:47 GMT -8
I noticed when taking off the trucks that the wheels can't be removed. I had to completely disassemble the trucks to gauge the wheels because you couldn't spread the wheels on the axle by hand . A matter of fact I had to use a pair of Vice Grips and a pair of pliers to get them to spread. |
|
|
|
Post by snootie3257 on Sept 2, 2023 9:47:16 GMT -8
I noticed when taking off the trucks that the wheels can't be removed. I had to completely disassemble the trucks to gauge the wheels because you couldn't spread the wheels on the axle by hand . A matter of fact I had to use a pair of Vice Grips and a pair of pliers to get them to spread. Yay, beautiful design. NOT Steve |
|
|
|
Post by drolsen on Sept 3, 2023 10:27:31 GMT -8
I used the Class One Model Works bending technique to correct the minor warping on my model of CSXT 600392. As you can see in the first two photos, it had a minor upward bend at one end, while the other deck seemed pretty straight. Looking from the end, the car had a slight transverse twist which I was also able to correct, although that was a little tougher. I recommend removing the trucks before attempting this, as you end up placing your thumb where the center axle is located in order to get the best grip on it. I haven't checked the wheel gauge yet, as I'm still trying to track down my NMRA gauge after our recent move.   I like this model, although it has a few things I'd like to see improved. I'm impressed with the underbody brake details, which are completely unseen unless you flip it over. Even then, they're pretty well hidden unless you remove the trucks. They certainly didn't need to include that detail for it to look good in operations on cars with solid decks like this CSX car, but I'm sure it looks good on the prototypes with grating in the end decks. I do think the detail parts look a little chunky. They kind of remind me of the appearance older cast metal parts from Precision Scale, Cal Scale, and other companies, but I'm glad to see the details represented.     The brake wheel staffs(?) are bit thick, which would be an easy fix for the modeler, if desired. The metal plates for the car number are a nice touch, but the bent mounting tabs are pretty visible and detract from the appearance (a bit of nitpicking). I'm including a prototype photo below that Class One shared when these models were announced. Again, a minor complaint, but it looks like the black plate for the lube plate stencil is vertical on the prototype, whereas it's canted inward on the model (probably how it was mounted on another prototype). The truck clearance is very tight and will rub against the underside of the car if you cant the trucks by hand and rotate them. This could be an issue on layouts with significant vertical curves.  Lastly, the brake hose is a little heavy and short - kind of reminds me of Kadee's old brake hoses that they sold separately - but that's easily upgraded too. Kind of funny, they modeled the angle cock in the closed position, something I've never seen before on a model, which is good if it's parked in a yard but not ideal if it's in a train! Here's the prototype photo provided by Class One Model Works.  Definitely a great prototype to have in model form. I understand that many people will be frustrated with the quality control issues and will feel the need to return theirs, but my hobby time is very limited, and I'd rather spend 5 minutes correcting the issue than an hour corresponding with the manufacturer, getting a return shipping label, and packing and mailing it back, maybe to never receive a better replacement. I wanted to have this car in my fleet, and I'm happy with it now and think it will look great with some Sergent couplers added. Dave |
|
|
|
Post by Colin 't Hart on Sept 4, 2023 8:53:14 GMT -8
... it will look great with some Sergent couplers added. Dave Speaking of couplers, what are the ones the model comes with? They don't have trip pins, and they look larger than semi-scale Kadees. |
|
|
|
Post by fishbelly on Sept 4, 2023 10:32:14 GMT -8
The couplers are Class One's copy of a #5.
I pitched them and used Kadee.
|
|
|
|
Post by riogrande on Sept 4, 2023 10:37:44 GMT -8
The couplers are Class One's copy of a #5. I pitched them and used Kadee. The only copy that seems decent to me are those on Walther's. Everyone else thinks they can be as good as KD but mostly fail. They should just give into the Schwartz and go with KD and save us having to change out a bazillion couplers. I've got a crap ton of Atlas and Genesis to change out. Thank God Intermountain, Tangent, ExactRail, Moloco and Wheels of Time come with Kadee's. |
|
