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Post by Baikal on May 5, 2023 7:00:30 GMT -8
Bowser has posted an update about this project on their website which concurs with what cemr5396 said. "Due to extreme lack of interest (pre-orders), we are announcing the GMD SD40-2(W) again. If there continues to be insufficient pre-orders, we put the project on indefinite hold. New pre-orders due date is June 30th 2023." I was potentially interested in getting one but not that eager to the point of putting in a pre-order. Now if Bowser were to revive the old SD40 project on the other hand...
It's about time someone stemed the excess supply of Canadian models. Demand has been overstated for years.
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Post by wagnersteve on May 5, 2023 10:33:47 GMT -8
May 5, 2023, starting about 2:16 p.m., EDT
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania, rode the D&H many summers en route to camping vacations in the 1950's and early 1960's in upstate New York, did my undergraduate work in Ohio and have lived in Massachusetts since the late 1960's. But I've visited every Canadian province except Newfoundland & Labrador, though none of its Territories nor Nunavut. I've been in a far lower percentage of the states in the USA. My primary modeling interest is the D&H, with B&M in second place, but I do have a fair number of Canadian locos, plus others from some other New England and Middle Atlantic states. Freight cars from most major and several minor railroads, sleepers, head end equipment and cabooses from quite a few. I've never been to Mexico and, except for some enclosed ones carrying autos and trucks in recent decades, have seen Mexican freight cars "in person" about as often as ones marked for the Alaska Railroad -- meaning almost never.
I have just two Mexican freight cars on my large roster. One is an Atlas ARA 40' steel boxcar in conservative NdeM lettering. The other may be a Bev-Bel paint job on an Athearn 50' boxcar, a mostly orange Chichuahua al Pacifico car with a full color portrait of a long-distance runner from the indigenous Tupamara people, which reminds me of a great first-person reminiscence in American Heritage decades ago account by an American of Mexican heritage who as a young boy had watched several runners from that group in a match marathon race against Paavo Nurmi, the famous "Flying Finn", in the LA Colisseum when that venue was fairly new. He and other kids with him thought Paavo was a very funny name, since in Spanish pavo means turkey. Nurmi won the race because he knew how long he was supposed to run, the Tupamaras didn't. II spotted the model in that atypical but gorgeous paint scheme among some "used" models at a show years ago and couldn't resist buying it. The FCP also created some highly unusual diesel locos by "kitbashing" full-sized units!
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Post by mdq on May 5, 2023 11:33:45 GMT -8
maybe, just maybe, it is due to the fact the model goes for $399 Here: www.georgestrains.com/cs_ho/I think $400 price per unit is a line that is hard to cross... |
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Post by 690 on May 5, 2023 12:07:37 GMT -8
maybe, just maybe, it is due to the fact the model goes for $399 Here: www.georgestrains.com/cs_ho/I think $400 price per unit is a line that is hard to cross... I mean… the CN ES44AC from ScaleTrains listed right above it has a list price of $429. I’d say it’s fairly safe to assume that the actual street price will be under $399. |
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Post by cemr5396 on May 5, 2023 12:38:03 GMT -8
those prices are also in Canadian dollars, not USD.
with our 'not-so-great' exchange rate (usually around .70-.75 US) paying over $400 for a sound equipped locomotive has been a fact of life for years now.
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Post by csxt8400 on May 5, 2023 13:27:32 GMT -8
You will be able to get the Bowsers with DCC SND for between 300 and 310 I would almost guarantee it. Why must we always use the MSRP for these debates?
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Post by cera2254 on May 5, 2023 13:34:09 GMT -8
You will be able to get the Bowsers with DCC SND for between 300 and 310 I would almost guarantee it. Why must we always use the MSRP for these debates? My thoughts too, if you aren’t getting at least 20% off you aren’t shopping in the right place… |
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Post by cn2240 on May 5, 2023 13:54:37 GMT -8
maybe, just maybe, it is due to the fact the model goes for $399 Here: www.georgestrains.com/cs_ho/I think $400 price per unit is a line that is hard to cross... At Otter Valley, it's $339.99 for the DCC/Sound versions so the price is more dependent on the dealer |
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Post by cemr5396 on May 5, 2023 14:07:44 GMT -8
You will be able to get the Bowsers with DCC SND for between 300 and 310 I would almost guarantee it. Why must we always use the MSRP for these debates? because "big number bad" |
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Post by lvrr325 on May 5, 2023 14:23:15 GMT -8
List price is $240/$340 I wouldn't be surprised if you can find them sound for $250 no sound $175
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Post by klinn on May 5, 2023 16:38:48 GMT -8
Thanks for the link to the Bowser delivery schedule drsvelte. The Canadian RS-3's appear to have been delayed a couple of months, but hey, at least they're still in the queue!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 13:00:11 GMT -8
Bowser has posted an update about this project on their website which concurs with what cemr5396 said. "Due to extreme lack of interest (pre-orders), we are announcing the GMD SD40-2(W) again. If there continues to be insufficient pre-orders, we put the project on indefinite hold. New pre-orders due date is June 30th 2023." I was potentially interested in getting one but not that eager to the point of putting in a pre-order. Now if Bowser were to revive the old SD40 project on the other hand...
It's about time someone stemed the excess supply of Canadian models. Demand has been overstated for years.
Um, really not at all sure how you are coming up with that assertion. Bowser is actually a pretty transparent company. If one is in their store, one does have access to their actual stock shelves (the section over in the back corner adjacent to the men's restroom). What is on those shelves is literally all that they have remaining of any given model (including freight car kits), besides maybe 2 or so locos of each stock number being out in front of the cash register in the regular retail store portion of the building (that mail order pickers are not allowed to pick from to protect retail customers from missing out). Since new products are regularly gone from those shelves within weeks of arrival, indicating a total importer sellout (excepting the aforementioned handful retained for retail store customers), I simply do not understand how one could say there is an excess supply of Canadian models. They sell; somebody is buying them. Many folks drive down US 15 from Canada just to shop there in person. It's reasonably conveniently located for north-south travelers who've patronized the store for decades. There's plenty of Gevo units of various flavors in stock at many dealers; does that mean that American Gevos don't sell? I don't think you can judge by a few models remaining in inventory especially at some dealers that may try to corner the market so that you have to buy it from them to get one at all. I don't model Canadian railroads per se so have no dog in this; only pointing out relevant facts as I see them. Their shelves factually empty out pretty quickly on a regular basis. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Sept 17, 2023 7:46:02 GMT -8
News from the big event at Otter Valley yesterday, Lee confirmed to somebody in attendance that the SD40-2Ws got the required number of orders and production will be going ahead.
No word on the time line for that yet, however. I would imagine some things have moved ahead of it in the que.
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Post by cajonfun on Sept 17, 2023 11:48:28 GMT -8
News from the big event at Otter Valley yesterday, Lee confirmed to somebody in attendance that the SD40-2Ws got the required number of orders and production will be going ahead. No word on the time line for that yet, however. I would imagine some things have moved ahead of it in the que. Loco is back on track. Lorne |
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Post by middledivision on Sept 18, 2023 7:07:28 GMT -8
That's great news.
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Post by sd80mac on Sept 18, 2023 7:38:27 GMT -8
Fantastic news!
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 30, 2024 18:59:28 GMT -8
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jan 30, 2024 19:09:03 GMT -8
^ Thank you for embedding those images and I concur, that is outstanding, well done Bowser and 3D central.
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Post by cp6027 on Jan 31, 2024 6:19:50 GMT -8
Interesting to ponder how the CAD required to produce this 3D print translates into the CAD required to actually create the tooling. The print has items like the cab, sill/deck, hood printed as one integral piece, while these components may get split up into separate parts for the actual tooling to facilitate model assembly with different features/details. Somehow the CAD for the "3D render" of the final model shown off by various manufacturers needs to get transformed into CAD for individual parts. I'm sure this is all handled by skilled and talented designers but I often wonder if this process of breaking it into parts is where dimensional errors and detail issues creep in.
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Post by middledivision on Jan 31, 2024 8:19:22 GMT -8
Can't wait for those.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 31, 2024 8:22:31 GMT -8
Interesting to ponder how the CAD required to produce this 3D print translates into the CAD required to actually create the tooling. The print has items like the cab, sill/deck, hood printed as one integral piece, while these components may get split up into separate parts for the actual tooling to facilitate model assembly with different features/details. Somehow the CAD for the "3D render" of the final model shown off by various manufacturers needs to get transformed into CAD for individual parts. I'm sure this is all handled by skilled and talented designers but I often wonder if this process of breaking it into parts is where dimensional errors and detail issues creep in. More than likely it's a print of the assembly of all the various parts in CAD space output as a single file / part. So flip your question. It's the CAD required to make the parts that is 3D printed. The actual tooling design isn't typically detailed by the design team. They will send the 3D part file and say "make a tool to make this part". I'm obviously simplifying this a bit, as the companies will optimize their tooling with multiple parts being made with a single tool, but you get the idea. Here's an example from Rapido. Each color is a different part with it's own associated tooling die (assuming it's an injected molded or cast part).  The whole assembly show above could be output as a STL file to a 3D printer and setup to print. |
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Post by cp6027 on Jan 31, 2024 14:39:27 GMT -8
Thank you for the helpful explanation!
(All of my CAD experience is in the much different railway civil engineering world.)
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Post by csxt8400 on Jan 31, 2024 16:53:37 GMT -8
Headlight is situated too high on the nose, grab irons are also not situated quite how they should even with that said. Bowser tends to go slightly anemic on their headlight assemblies and both the front and rear single bulb could still be undersized a touch. In comparison, even with the lamp styling, the ditchlights look too big.
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Post by cemr5396 on Feb 1, 2024 13:26:28 GMT -8
Headlight is situated too high on the nose, grab irons are also not situated quite how they should even with that said. I'm not sure I'm convinced. On the other hand, I'm not totally sure I'm not, either.  The ditchlights? Well.... you've got a point there. I will say that they look better than any other manufacturers' attempt at CN ditchlights to date, even in spite of their size. Even in it's current state, I would confidently say that this model will blow any existing SD40-2W out of the water, and that includes brass ones. That being said, please bring up any and all concerns to Bowser themselves and I'm sure they would have another look at it. Unlike some other companies they are very good at listening to modeler imput, and right now when everything is still just lines on a computer screen is the best time to fix something. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 23, 2024 13:59:30 GMT -8
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Post by hudsonyard on Aug 23, 2024 14:21:48 GMT -8
Super neat units, they will be assembled well and sound pretty damn good from the factory. Another really neat thing I have absolutely no use for but i'm happy that guys will scoop these up.
90's Conrail modelers need to buy one to slip into consists, i remember seeing one as a leader just south of Selkirk on one of my first times trackside off of long island, had no idea such a unit even existed.
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