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Post by jonklein611 on Mar 12, 2024 11:44:13 GMT -8
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Mar 12, 2024 12:21:18 GMT -8
Conrail 10-5 sleeper? Also sounds like they are going to be adding more Conrail cars with the Budd project update. Hopefully this wasn't one of the cars Bethlehem was going to announce.
If the Super Continental line is coming back, I need one of their Club Deluxe cars.
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Post by klinn on Mar 12, 2024 12:32:34 GMT -8
I'm really glad they're re-running some of the Super Continental cars. Missed out on the original release and managed to pick up a few leftovers from various hobby shops, but I really need a few more cars in the CN black & white scheme to model the transition era as VIA took over the passenger business.
Probably going to pick up a couple of the Hawker Siddeley vans too. My current brass ones from way back when look kinda crude by comparison. All told, a pretty good hit on the ol' wallet! :-)
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 12, 2024 14:36:10 GMT -8
I missed the PFE reefers ... those appear to be actual photos, not renderings. Should be out soon? IIRC, MDT had some cars like the one with the smaller plug door (R40-27?), but they had slightly different ends.
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Post by cp6027 on Mar 12, 2024 14:38:53 GMT -8
Excited for the CN H-S Van!
It will also be nice to have another shot at the early VIA Super Continental cars. The VIA coach and sleeper models I currently have are from the Rapido run with the mis-colored pale yellow stripes.
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Post by hudsonyard on Mar 12, 2024 15:29:56 GMT -8
the PFE reefers have that inherit clunkiness that the GN and UP 40' boxes have, more cut levers to nowhere. regardless, i like the idea of those post 67' with the kartrak tag
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Post by ambluco on Mar 12, 2024 15:55:38 GMT -8
I ordered a Devco van.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 12, 2024 17:21:15 GMT -8
From Tony Thompson's most excellent book, "Pacific Fruit Express":
R-40-27 PFE 10001-11700 (1700 cars) built 1957--1275 cars remaining in 1975
R-40-28 PFE 11701-11800 (100 cars) built 1957--69 cars remaining in 1975
The big difference between the two is that the R-40-27 had a 4' plug door and a 2' hinged door, while the R-40-28 had a 6' plug door and the 2' hinged.
The "gothic" scheme shown started in March 1961. The "black rectangle" arrived in 1965. "In April, 1962, painting directions were revised to specify black ends and aluminum paint for roofs of ice cars..."
It APPEARS to me that these cars were painted with freight car red roofs and ends previous to 1962, which would call into question the colors on some of the artwork. I'm not that knowledgable on PFE, so it's kind of up in the air for me.
[an hour later: so far, the on-line folks think they're OK--good news!]
Ed
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Mar 12, 2024 17:42:57 GMT -8
The Mopac painted coach and sleeper are both foobies.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 12, 2024 17:55:26 GMT -8
Some of those coaches look interesting. I could see a few of the reefers moving too.
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Post by gmpullman on Mar 12, 2024 18:00:29 GMT -8
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 12, 2024 18:10:46 GMT -8
3/11/24, about 10:03 p.m.
I suspect Ed Sutorik is correct about the PFE reefers.
The D&H coaches apparently are meant to represent smooth-sided cars built for the Lackawanna that the D&H acquired from the EL when Montreal hosted Expo 67. The window arrangement doesn't quite match the real cars, but I will try to get one to replace an earlier car on which I messed up the paint job. The 31 clearly will bear the name "Ausable River" applied when some of these cars were rebuilt by Hoover Industries in Florida for service on the Adirondack; The 23 should have "Bulwagga Bay" and the 34 "Whiteface Mountain".
I believe the Erie and EL 10-5 sleepers are correct. I have one of the latter from an earlier run, since the real car showed up at the ex-D&H Colonie Shops, probably during the Dereco period in the 1970s.
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 12, 2024 18:58:10 GMT -8
* Most * of the non-CN passenger cars will be foobies, or at least not exactly right, since they're CN prototypes.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 12, 2024 19:14:52 GMT -8
Assuming the GN sleepers are similar to the ones released several years ago:
They are ALMOST correct. Stand-ins. But close.
BUT.
The paint colors were wrong.
The quality control sucked.
For some reason, Rapido has trouble with GN colors. And SP&S, for that matter. Maybe their attention is elsewhere.
Ed
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Post by schroed2 on Mar 12, 2024 19:47:41 GMT -8
It APPEARS to me that these cars were painted with freight car red roofs and ends previous to 1962, which would call into question the colors on some of the artwork. I'm not that knowledgable on PFE, so it's kind of up in the air for me. [an hour later: so far, the on-line folks think they're OK--good news!] Ed actually, the lettering style for the "1957 scheme" was also used with boxcar red ends and roofs (sometimes called the "1952 scheme"). Pictures (both color and b/w) of what looks to me like both variations next to each other are in the SP freight car lettering book by Dick Harley (who responded to you on bbfcl.io) and Tony Thompson on pages 146 and 147. PFE did go thru a lot of paint and lettering variations between 1955 and 1966 |
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Post by schroed2 on Mar 12, 2024 19:51:59 GMT -8
the PFE reefers have that inherit clunkiness that the GN and UP 40' boxes have, more cut levers to nowhere. regardless, i like the idea of those post 67' with the kartrak tag another car I wish somebody else BUT Rapido would be doing it But actually, the clunkiness might make these cars a better match to the Intermountain R-40-23/-25 selection that I own already  |
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 13, 2024 3:00:32 GMT -8
3/12/24, close to 7 a.m., EDT
This is a question for those more knowledeable about CN cabooses than I am. Were the prototypes for the newly announced "Hawker Siddeley vans" built before or after the so-called "St. Charles shops" cabooses that Canadian Model Trains -- if I'm remembering the name of the now long-gone firm correctly -- was supposed to produce in HO but never did? Some of those made it as far as New London, Connecticut, on the Central Vermont when CN still controlled it. I don't recall whether any HO versions of those was ever made.
I find it frustrating that the renderings and photos in the Rapido Trains announcement show only one side of the model, not the other as well.
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Post by tom on Mar 13, 2024 4:17:48 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 13, 2024 4:28:52 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Mar 13, 2024 4:36:14 GMT -8
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Post by markfj on Mar 13, 2024 4:42:31 GMT -8
Those H21 hopper cars look great! I just wonder if they will get heavily discounted like the X72 boxcars did when sales start to slow down. The market is flooded with the Bowser H21 cars even though none are the "E" variant. Will the average hobbyist care that much about the difference between and the “A” and “E” cars to pay for the higher priced Rapido car?🤔 I guess we will see.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 13, 2024 5:28:07 GMT -8
3/12/24, close to 7 a.m., EDT Were the prototypes for the newly announced "Hawker Siddeley vans" built before or after the so-called "St. Charles shops" cabooses that Canadian Model Trains was supposed to produce in HO but never did? I believe the H-S vans preceded the Pointe St Charles cars. Atlas has the tooling now for the PSC's. |
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 13, 2024 5:50:15 GMT -8
3/12/24, about 9:53 a.m., EDT
Sorry, I just got back to this forum after doing many other things and hadn't seen that the earlier version of this post had actually been posted and answered. Thanks to the person who answered.
This is a question for those more knowledeable about CN cabooses than I am. Were the prototypes for the newly announced "Hawker Siddeley vans" built before or after the so-called "St. Charles shops" cabooses that Canadian Model Trains -- if I'm remembering the name of the now long-gone firm correctly -- was supposed to produce in HO but never did? Some of those made it as far as New London, Connecticut, on the Central Vermont when CN still controlled it. I don't recall whether any HO versions of those was ever made.
I find it frustrating that the renderings and photos in the Rapido Trains announcement show only one side of the model, not the other as well.
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Post by mdq on Mar 13, 2024 6:01:45 GMT -8
so...... where is Atlas ? The PSC Van ? Typical Atlas Radio silence
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Post by mdq on Mar 13, 2024 6:07:14 GMT -8
3/12/24, close to 7 a.m., EDT This is a question for those more knowledeable about CN cabooses than I am. Were the prototypes for the newly announced "Hawker Siddeley vans" built before or after the so-called "St. Charles shops" cabooses that Canadian Model Trains -- if I'm remembering the name of the now long-gone firm correctly -- was supposed to produce in HO but never did? Some of those made it as far as New London, Connecticut, on the Central Vermont when CN still controlled it. I don't recall whether any HO versions of those was ever made. I find it frustrating that the renderings and photos in the Rapido Trains announcement show only one side of the model, not the other as well. It was True LIne Trains (TLT) The PSC Van: This series of cabooses was built from former 40' boxcars between 1970 and 1977. In total, 548 cabooses were build at CN Pte St-Charles Shop rapido HS Van: CN placed an order for 150 copies from Hawker Siddeley, which were specifically designed for them, delivered in 1967 (rapido web page) Note: The PSC Van were more modern than the H-S. |
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 13, 2024 6:16:16 GMT -8
3/11/24, about 10:03 p.m. I suspect Ed Sutorik is correct about the PFE reefers. The D&H coaches apparently are meant to represent smooth-sided cars built for the Lackawanna that the D&H acquired from the EL when Montreal hosted Expo 67. The window arrangement doesn't quite match the real cars, but I will try to get one to replace an earlier car on which I messed up the paint job. The 31 clearly will bear the name "Ausable River" applied when some of these cars were rebuilt by Hoover Industries in Florida for service on the Adirondack; The 23 should have "Bulwagga Bay" and the 34 "Whiteface Mountain". I believe the Erie and EL 10-5 sleepers are correct. I have one of the latter from an earlier run, since the real car showed up at the ex-D&H Colonie Shops, probably during the Dereco period in the 1970s. You are correct, sir! The Erie 10-5 sleepers (they got two...Pride of Youngstown and Spirit of Youngstown) were built to the same plan as the cars built for the CN. The Spirit of Youngstown remained with the EL up until the end for use on the inspection train.
The coaches are only close stand-ins for the DL&W cars.
-pat
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Post by sd80mac on Mar 13, 2024 13:42:13 GMT -8
Nice of them to do the exact same GTW numbers on the coaches that they did in the original run. Maybe those are the only numbers correct for that style of car, I don't know.
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Post by lyndenbranch on Mar 13, 2024 13:56:32 GMT -8
I REALLY don't need any of these, but it'd be nice to have one of the CN vans; if I were a modeler of the SP from late late 1950s into 1975, I could certainly see stocking up on the R-40-27 reefers.
The (assuming plastic) stirrup in the photo looks like it is about to break off--I hope Rapido will use a metal etched material for both the stirrups as well as the side door steps--those ALWAYS seem to break off all the time.
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Post by cp6027 on Mar 13, 2024 13:59:33 GMT -8
I note the sample PFE cars have the same approach to bending the end of the etched metal running board walkway over and down to form the walkway supports as on the sodium chlorate covered hoppers. This bend is particularly poorly done on the B-end of PFE 11711, and appears to be more like it was "rolled" over instead of a crisp bend.
This "bend" versus "roll" was inconsistently done on the sodium chlorate cars; hopefully these cars are more consistent. Shame that this design is being used again since the artwork suggests the supports under either end of the walkway would be separate parts and not a folded-over tab stamped as part of the walkway part.
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 13, 2024 14:13:10 GMT -8
Me too. The EL wheel report collection has a number of them in 1975, so it would be a neat car to have on the layout.
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