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Post by locochris on Mar 25, 2024 19:28:36 GMT -8
Rapido posted a video from Lombard Hobbies on their Facebook page. Jason Shron basically said that the fans that they are using for their GP38 suck, so they licensed the Cannon fan design and will be using that for both their GP38 and GP40.
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 25, 2024 20:03:04 GMT -8
Great! Does that mean they'll be using parts from Cannon, or will they cut their own tooling to Cannon's design?
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Post by locochris on Mar 25, 2024 20:06:27 GMT -8
Great! Does that mean they'll be using parts from Cannon, or will they cut their own tooling to Cannon's design? He didn't say either of those specifically, but I would think licensing the design would just mean cutting their own tooling. |
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 25, 2024 20:26:55 GMT -8
All I can think about is the QC issues with those delicate top rings being slapped together hundreds at a time.
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 25, 2024 22:51:17 GMT -8
so it will be a somewhat decent-ish model with (possibly poorly assembled) amazing looking fans on it?
Nope, can't say my interest level is rising.
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2024 5:01:23 GMT -8
Why is there such a 'used car salesman' vibe from all the hype videos? "You want it??, We'll do it! and it's AWESOME. 100% the best! Better than everyone else." yeah, no thanks. We're hearing this, but we won't see any production samples, so it's word of mouth only - as usual.
Cannon fan design is great; let's see what reality delivers.
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Post by carrman on Mar 26, 2024 7:16:18 GMT -8
Too bad they wouldn't pay Aaron Heinie for stealing his Stratolight beacon circuit chip design they pirated and installed on the ATSF B36-7's. But they did thank him in the first edition B36-7 owners manual, so I guess that makes up for stealing from him........
Dave
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Post by lostinthe619 on Mar 26, 2024 7:56:50 GMT -8
Why is there such a 'used car salesman' vibe from all the hype videos? "You want it??, We'll do it! and it's AWESOME. 100% the best! Better than everyone else." yeah, no thanks. We're hearing this, but we won't see any production samples, so it's word of mouth only - as usual. Cannon fan design is great; let's see what reality delivers. This is the same company that was giving you the “opportunity” to get an autograph from their CEO. |
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Post by middledivision on Mar 26, 2024 8:36:35 GMT -8
Clown show.
My all-time favorite is the how to remove the shell on the RS-11 video where the guy destroys the handrails whilst doing so!
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Post by gevohogger on Mar 26, 2024 8:57:16 GMT -8
Why is there such a 'used car salesman' vibe from all the hype videos? "You want it??, We'll do it! and it's AWESOME. 100% the best! Better than everyone else." Because it's Rapido! It's in their blood.
Of course, watch, now the next video they do will be full-on used car salesman style, complete with plaid polyester suits. Then we'll know they're still reading the forum.
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Post by markfj on Mar 26, 2024 9:08:38 GMT -8
I don't know, if Rapido offered the GP38 or 40 as an undecorated kit, I would be interested in one.
Mark J.
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2024 10:03:01 GMT -8
The physical models will not be available in undecs. The renders might?...  |
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 26, 2024 10:17:20 GMT -8
^^^ IIRC, undecs are available by special order, minimum six? Get a couple of guys together to order if you don't need six, yourself.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 26, 2024 10:22:22 GMT -8
^^^ IIRC, undecs are available by special order, minimum six? Get a couple of guys together to order if you don't need six, yourself. Just the way they're special order only if you could get them wholesale I would imagine selling off four extras would be pretty easy. |
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Post by fishbelly on Mar 26, 2024 15:45:29 GMT -8
My curiosity is why? This is most likely good for Dave's back pocket. Still though, why?
Is Rapido incapable of designing their own? Although after being at the Amherst show. Rapido does not know the difference between a dynamic brake fan and a radiator fan. It was obvious to them they are both the same. When I mentioned to them that their radiator fans were wrong. They simply took note of it and said the first run will not be changed. Or maybe the DB fan was wrong. I cannot remember now.
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Post by ambluco on Mar 26, 2024 16:07:38 GMT -8
I thought this thread was about fans of the Rapido GP38/40 ;-)
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 26, 2024 16:14:59 GMT -8
to me, assembling Cannon fans as we know them would both be difficult, time consuming, and fragile for a factory model. It's one thing for a modeller to do it themselves but doing them by the hundreds at the factory is something else entirely.
I wonder if they are just using Cannon's design and drawings to make something that can be tooled as one piece? To me it seems like it should be possible to have the base and the top ring be one piece, onto which the fan blades, the cap, and the top grill is applied.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 26, 2024 19:21:36 GMT -8
Probably because it saves them time redoing their own tooling to use Dave's existing design. Likely cheaper too.
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Post by delta767332er on Mar 26, 2024 22:04:06 GMT -8
This is mind-blowing to me. The original fan design wasn't great. While providing all the feedback to the product designer who is no longer with them (starting to be a trend with Rapido!), the fan design was changed to a separate part design similar to Atlas's, but of course with alleged better fidelity. What came out of the redesign looked even worse. I provided this feedback that this was not going in the right direction, but waved the white flag when it was clear the ugly ship was going to sail, resigned to the fact that discerning proto modelers would likely need to replace the fans REGARDLESS of what Rapido did or didn't do, because mass-producing fans of an acceptable quality is something I think only one company would/could get right, and Tangent doesn't make engines. But now to watch this video and hear they've had some sort of ridiculous revelation at Springfield that the fans suck, when I've been saying this for over two years before any tooling was even cut, likely partly because they've parted ways with yet another product designer that was working on stuff that was exciting for CSX modelers, is bang-my-head-against-the wall frustrating.
Relatedly, it's been a very difficult journey for even Dave himself to get Gordon's fan design produced and flowing again, and somehow now out of the blue Rapido is going to magically start putting "Cannon" fans on their mass-produced RTR models?!?! GMAFB. A modeler needs to have some quality time at the workbench to properly build a Cannon fan and get it properly cleaned up and installed and painted and looking good. Look at all the Cannon fans on models out there that are "flashy," installed wrong, glue-y, crooked, bolts missing, bent and crooked grill rings. And Rapido thinks their factory is just going to bippity-bopp make this happen, like why has no one ever thought of this before, duh?!?! Even if they pull off Cannon fans (which they won't), we'll still be left with the god-awful journal spring "window" that's gaping hole into a big black abyss of the netherworld.
Oh, and the C30-7 design is fundamentally flawed like oh-so-many Rapido models before it, so we're just gonna slide some details down and make the sill bigger (?) to make it look less wrong, even though it's still wrong. You're gosh darn right a sill gap being 2.75" too big is visible. Also a very familiar story.
Why can't they just do it RIGHT the first time? Instead of a C- design that gets slowly fixed and band-aid'd through the late stages of development and/or production, ending up with maybe a B- to B+ at best model.
I'm so ready for a SXT GP38 announcement. But this is probably the C30-7 we're getting for most of the rest of most of our lives. With fundamental dimensional errors.
Standard.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 27, 2024 0:11:16 GMT -8
I'm no Rapido fan boy but this seems like them trying to make a step in the right direction to keep people satisfied and I'm amazed they're still being almost universally panned for it.
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Post by bcrmlw on Mar 27, 2024 5:09:12 GMT -8
This is mind-blowing to me. The original fan design wasn't great. While providing all the feedback to the product designer who is no longer with them (starting to be a trend with Rapido!), the fan design was changed to a separate part design similar to Atlas's, but of course with alleged better fidelity. What came out of the redesign looked even worse. I provided this feedback that this was not going in the right direction, but waved the white flag when it was clear the ugly ship was going to sail, resigned to the fact that discerning proto modelers would likely need to replace the fans REGARDLESS of what Rapido did or didn't do, because mass-producing fans of an acceptable quality is something I think only one company would/could get right, and Tangent doesn't make engines. But now to watch this video and hear they've had some sort of ridiculous revelation at Springfield that the fans suck, when I've been saying this for over two years before any tooling was even cut, likely partly because they've parted ways with yet another product designer that was working on stuff that was exciting for CSX modelers, is bang-my-head-against-the wall frustrating. Relatedly, it's been a very difficult journey for even Dave himself to get Gordon's fan design produced and flowing again, and somehow now out of the blue Rapido is going to magically start putting "Cannon" fans on their mass-produced RTR models?!?! GMAFB. A modeler needs to have some quality time at the workbench to properly build a Cannon fan and get it properly cleaned up and installed and painted and looking good. Look at all the Cannon fans on models out there that are "flashy," installed wrong, glue-y, crooked, bolts missing, bent and crooked grill rings. And Rapido thinks their factory is just going to bippity-bopp make this happen, like why has no one ever thought of this before, duh?!?! Even if they pull off Cannon fans (which they won't), we'll still be left with the god-awful journal spring "window" that's gaping hole into a big black abyss of the netherworld. Oh, and the C30-7 design is fundamentally flawed like oh-so-many Rapido models before it, so we're just gonna slide some details down and make the sill bigger (?) to make it look less wrong, even though it's still wrong. You're gosh darn right a sill gap being 2.75" too big is visible. Also a very familiar story. Why can't they just do it RIGHT the first time? Instead of a C- design that gets slowly fixed and band-aid'd through the late stages of development and/or production, ending up with maybe a B- to B+ at best model. I'm so ready for a SXT GP38 announcement. But this is probably the C30-7 we're getting for most of the rest of most of our lives. With fundamental dimensional errors. Standard. What I've noticed with Rapido is at the end of the day they are a business, not a group of modellers dedicated to producing high quality products. As long as a model gets enough pre orders for them to turn a profit, they could care less if the final design is wrong or has errors. They like to fashion themselves as model railroaders first, however as the track record shows their products need more design work. Using Cannon fans, if indeed they are the same kits we've all built for years, is just going to amount to one giant gong show with lots of hand ringing and blame shifting. Remember Rapido throwing ESU under the bus (not their broke down hunk of junk mind you, an actual functional bus) after their crappy RS-18 motors started to fail? I hope this turns out well for Dave Hussey, as in I hope he sees some financial gain from this, but time will tell. |
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Post by cera2254 on Mar 27, 2024 5:33:33 GMT -8
Delta, what are fundamental errors with the C30-7?
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Post by crblue on Mar 27, 2024 6:13:34 GMT -8
I'm no Rapido fan boy but this seems like them trying to make a step in the right direction to keep people satisfied and I'm amazed they're still being almost universally panned for it. Because Rapido has more fundamental issues they should be focusing on instead. Rant incoming: The of the last 7 freight cars and 1 engine I've purchased from Rapido, 5 of the cars didn't roll and the engine had to go back for repairs. In this regard, a Walthers Mainline model that costs about 1/2 as much is a better choice since they always work - and I mean that literally: I've had a 0% out of the box failure rate on them since I bought my first F1-A back in the 90's. They may not look as pretty, but as I don't run my trains upside down it doesn't matter. Meanwhile Rapido is going to produce another cringe video about how awesome their new Cannon fans are, while neglecting to produce a model that can pass the most basic requirements. Not that Cannon fans are a bad thing though. They're just not what Rapido needs to focus on right now. |
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 27, 2024 6:28:39 GMT -8
Scaletrains announced yesterday that their GP40's will be here in December.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 27, 2024 7:03:20 GMT -8
Scaletrains announced yesterday that their GP40's will be here in December. Where is the announcement? |
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Post by packer on Mar 27, 2024 7:22:16 GMT -8
Delta, what are fundamental errors with the C30-7? After reading his post, I took a quick look at the preproduction model photos and the prototype photo on rapido's site. The gap between the fuel tank and sill looks quite a bit too large. But then it's a needed model, and it's hard to not get outbid on an Atlas one (don't want to touch the broadway one) |
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Post by NS4122 on Mar 27, 2024 8:02:53 GMT -8
On this forum they get panned no matter what they do. I'm no Rapido fan boy but this seems like them trying to make a step in the right direction to keep people satisfied and I'm amazed they're still being almost universally panned for it. |
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Post by locomotivebreath on Mar 27, 2024 8:03:33 GMT -8
And they woder why I prefer Katos and detailing, painting and decals.I can put Cannon fans on them, though they are getting tough at my age, and produce quality models that "run like a Kato".
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 27, 2024 8:10:37 GMT -8
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Post by cera2254 on Mar 27, 2024 8:13:57 GMT -8
Sigh, that does look too large. Frustrating since they are real ones that they measured and the error is just somewhere in the cad and should have been easily correctable.
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