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Post by wagnersteve on Apr 27, 2024 18:14:52 GMT -8
4/27/2024, starting about 8:41 p.m., EDT, finishing about 10:14 p.m. after several necessary interruptions.
Since apparently no one else has mentioned these on this forum, I'll give a brief summary of the HO items, leaving it to someone more adept at posting to supply a link to the actual announcements, which were available at Athearn's website in PDF yesterday morning and in very short prerecorded videos on YouTube by yesterday evening. In Athearn's most recent Train Tuesday, Jim Wiggin said that the next one, next Tuesday evening, will be the last "live" one until next Fall. This list incorporates some comments from the short videos.
I'm not giving any prices here, because those on the PDF sheets do NOT match those shown if you click on "VIEW ALL" on Athearn's website and see lisitngs for individual models. This is simply unacceptable and I certainly intend to raise it if I can attend the next Train Tuesday.
Athearn Genesis series
EMD F-unit diesel locomotives
ATSF freight service F7s, dark blue and yellow, "era: Early 1960s=+"
F7+F7B 218C/235B; F7B 266A.
Florida East Coast, red and yellow, "era: 1950s+"
F3A 501; F3A+F3B 503/552.
Louisville & Nashville,
F7As 824, 831, "era: 1950+"; F9A+F9B 924/719, "era: 1963+".
Missouri-Kansas Texas, "John Deere" green and yellow, "era: Late-1970s="
F3A 70A; F7B 75E; F7A+F7B 72C/75F.
Rock Island, ex-UP, still in UP colors, "primed for grime", no lettering, "era: Mid-1970s+"
F9A 4156; F9A+F9B, 4167/1708.
Seattle & North Coast, green with yellow, ex-BN, era: early 1980s to 1984
F7As 101, 102
GE P42DC diesel locomotives as built, Amtrak Phase III 1, 9, 23 78 -- "era: Mid-1990s++"
Ditto, Amtrak Phase IV Northeast Corridor scheme: 101, 105, 111 -- "era Late-1990s+"
Ditto, Amtrak Phase V "Low Wave" 123, 141, 162 -- "era: Early-2000s" -- new scheme, first time in Genesis, first time available in over 20 years.
Ditto, Amtrak Phase V 69, 142, 144, 201 "era: Mid-2010s" -- back by customer demand.
Ditto, Amtrak Phase VII 82, 174 "era 2016+" -- only full sized units in this scheme so far, first time in HO
Ditto, Amtrak "Veterans" 42 -- "era: 2023+"-- returning because popular -- "(Campaign ribbons are being omitted because of Trademark)
Ditto, Amtrak Phase IV "Heritage" 164 --"era: 2024+" -- first time in Genesis
Athearn series
IMPACK spine cars, all "era 1980s+"
Burlington Northern, green with white, two 5-unit sets,BN 637509, 637503
Santa Fe, white with yellow and black, two 10-unit sets, ATSF 298958, 2988969
Trailer Train, yellow, U, two 5-unit sets UTTX 60115, 60127
Ford F-850 grain trucks, introduced in 1967
"era: 1968+': Purina Mills (white cab with name & checkerboard), unlettered white cab, unlettered orange cab
"era: 1979+": ADM, Cargill (white cab with green white & black herald), Scoular (yellow cab with corn ears and black name)
Athearn Roundhouse series
50' double-deck Auto-Loader cars, "era: 1954, based experimental cars built by Evans to carry six autos of that vintage, on old "blue box" cars, with no road vehicles included included. I think the only possiby realistic paint schemes are the NYC and PRR ones, which have AUTO-LOADER in Roman caps on the top horizontal part of the superstructure. Three single cars for each scheme.
NYC (black with white) 499375, 499386, 500084; PRR ("freight car color" red with white) 491389, 491568, 491568.
Union Pacific (boxcar red with yellow), road name on top horizontal, road of the Streamliners on at least one side of the flatcar, UP 5801, 5813, 5838 -- at least the paint is plausible for the Fifties.
St. Louis-San Francisco, yellow with black, including "coonskin" herald with FRISCO on top member -- hmmmm, SLSF 95832, 95844,9 5849.
Santa Fe (bright red with white, including AUTO-VEYER and Super Shock Control -- absurd, ATSF 88750, 88762, 88775.
Grand Trunk Western , blue superstructure with white GT noodle on yellow Trailer Train flat with black TT herald, white name reporting marks and car numberss on black backgrounds, also absurd, TTX (not GTW as listed on PDF page) 140189, 140192, 140197.
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Post by unittrain on Apr 28, 2024 3:23:48 GMT -8
The auto loaders might be on my radar. Still waiting for the PC SD40s to arrive.
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Post by wagnersteve on Apr 28, 2024 4:10:59 GMT -8
4/28/2024, starting 8:06 a.m.
I've just now found a black & white photo of an actual Auto-Loader car on the Internet at ogaugerrforum.com. It was built on a standard NYC 53-ft. flatcar. The lettering at the top has a small circular Evans herald left of 6-CAR AUTO LOADER in Roman. I already have an Athearn HO NYC Auto-Loader on my roster, which is probably more realistic than the other paint schemes. But, to each his own!
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Post by loco8107 on Apr 28, 2024 7:35:32 GMT -8
Someday, someone needs to do a good N11E transfer caboose. So tired of the same old power being done over and over all the time. People are way too obsessed with power and not enough with the cars and such. And I like a well done loco too but still.
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Post by marknycfan on Apr 28, 2024 7:44:31 GMT -8
I'd have been ecstatic if they did the P42 in NYC heritage paint!
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Post by crblue on Apr 28, 2024 9:20:46 GMT -8
I might need to pick up a phase 3 p42 at some point.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Apr 28, 2024 11:28:11 GMT -8
Athearn has been laying heavily into the new Genesis P42/P40. I'm most excited for the Phase 5 scheme with the lower blue stripe. Early 2000's Amtrak has been mostly ignored by the modeling companies, so I'm glad someone is finally addressing this scheme. Kato skipped over phase 4 Superliners, Bowser has not made side-door roadrailers in years, even the new Walthers Amfleet cars have the modern travelmark logo rather than the older Amtrak wordmark.
On a side note, does anybody have roster information or history on the UTTX Impack spine cars? I haven't been able to find much on them. There are only one or two photos on rrpicturearchives, so either this is a very small class of car, or it was retired before digital photography became common.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 28, 2024 12:58:04 GMT -8
UTTX 110015 (1 car) was class ILF50, built 1982
UTTX 60101-60120 (20 cars) were class ILF50A, built 1983 (had only inboard guide rails)
UTTX 60121-60195 (75 cars) were class ILF50B, built 1984 (had inside and outside platform guide rails)
all above built by Itel/FMC
UTTX 110014 (1 car) was class TLF50, built 1982
UTTX 61000-61019 (20 cars) were class TLF50A, built 1984
all above built by Thrall
It appears the Athearn model is of the single car ILF50 class (and likely also the TLF50 class). It appears to have truck mounted brakes, which only these cars had. Ignoring that, I see only inboard guide rails on the model.
Ed
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Apr 28, 2024 13:13:24 GMT -8
UTTX 110015 (1 car) was class ILF50, built 1982 UTTX 60101-60120 (20 cars) were class ILF50A, built 1983 (had only inboard guide rails) UTTX 60121-60195 (75 cars) were class ILF50B, built 1984 (had inside and outside platform guide rails) all above built by Itel/FMC UTTX 110014 (1 car) was class TLF50, built 1982 UTTX 61000-61019 (20 cars) were class TLF50A, built 1984 all above built by Thrall Ed Good call, I'll have to check my ORER when I get home. The only edition I have is 2002, which is helpful for my modeling era, but makes it hard to track the lifespan of these cars across years or decades. With less than 120 cars, this seems like a small fleet compared to the many thousands of spine cars out there today. Even though the detail isn't as good as the Bowser or Athearn RTR Trinity spines, it's good that they are offering some variety in the intermodal world. The blocky design of the trailer wheel platforms gives these cars a unique look compared to the exposed beams of more modern spines. Details West makes a spine car detail kit, which would make a good addition to this model. With some plumbing and etched metal end decks, I bet you could make this model look a lot nicer. |
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Post by rockfan on Apr 28, 2024 13:25:43 GMT -8
Might pick up a RI ex UP F9 A unit
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 28, 2024 13:35:38 GMT -8
With some plumbing and etched metal end decks, I bet you could make this model look a lot nicer. See my additional comment--added brake rigging needed. But, yes, they're interesting. ScaleTrains did that unusual well car, also not too common. But I did get one to add some variety. Ed |
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Post by ssw on Apr 28, 2024 14:51:48 GMT -8
I'm baffled how an F unit can be $40 more than a newer-tooled P42 that has more lights, bells and whistled.
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Post by cpr4200 on Apr 28, 2024 14:55:31 GMT -8
4/28/2024, starting 8:06 a.m. I've just now found a black & white photo of an actual Auto-Loader car on the Internet at ogaugerrforum.com. It was built on a standard NYC 53-ft. flatcar. The lettering at the top has a small circular Evans herald left of 6-CAR AUTO LOADER in Roman. I already have an Athearn HO NYC Auto-Loader on my roster, which is probably more realistic than the other paint schemes. But, to each his own! Several NYC Auto-loader photos here:
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 28, 2024 15:39:38 GMT -8
I'm baffled how an F unit can be $40 more than a newer-tooled P42 that has more lights, bells and whistled. The price is the same if you buy the F's in pairs. Ed |
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Post by rockfan on Apr 28, 2024 15:50:17 GMT -8
Supply and demand? Paying to use the Highliner shell?
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Post by ssw on Apr 28, 2024 16:00:30 GMT -8
This run is $30 increase over the runnof F's announced a few months ago
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Post by rockfan on Apr 28, 2024 17:07:17 GMT -8
Unfortunately prices go up, rarely go down. When fuel prices rise it affects everything.
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 28, 2024 21:22:37 GMT -8
Someday, someone needs to do a good N11E transfer caboose. So tired of the same old power being done over and over all the time. People are way too obsessed with power and not enough with the cars and such. And I like a well done loco too but still. Brass ones aren't too expensive. I bought one for $55 a few years ago and when I looked on eBay they didn't bring much more than that. Getting to where the plastic ones are in the $100 range. The Auto-Loader was basically tooled for Lionel's HO line in 1958, I have a Lionel example in the other room. It reproduces an O27 car using an existing Athearn flat as the base. Athearn more or less retired it after the initial run, leading to Tyco copying it in 1968 or so. Then somebody rediscovered the tooling around 1992 and they have run them occasionally ever since. The cars Athearn made for it, a Cadillac and a Plymouth wagon, were somewhat crude with very flat sides. It's designed to carry four cars like the O27 version does. Tyco's version, usually molded orange on a black flatcar base, carries the Frisco logo, so there must be some photos or artwork of this version out there (probably black and white photos). It's actually slightly more accurate in that it carries six cars and the tooling of the Camaro and AMX made for it was excellent for the time. I don't know what the Impack cars are retailing for this run but kits from the initial release aren't that expensive, I think the last complete set I had sold for around $40. The only problem is they sold them as two sets, one with the ends, and one with the three middle cars. Finding both in the same road can be tough. Athearn also tooled up the 45' trailer at the same time to use with these. |
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Post by rockfan on Apr 28, 2024 21:52:00 GMT -8
Tyco. No.
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Post by rockfan on Apr 28, 2024 21:53:31 GMT -8
Tyco, this has to be a bad joke.
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 28, 2024 22:21:27 GMT -8
www.trainz.com/products/tyco-349-autoloader-with-6-autoswww.ebay.com/itm/135022727093Tyco's cars are a 1968 Camaro and AMC AMX. One piece bodies with a window insert and snap in wheel/axles. They probably made more HO versions than either of the real ones ever sold. The cars were replaced with generic vehicles around 1982 which were also shared with the US-1 Electric Trucking slot car auto carrier trailer. But the tooling continued as some IHC structure kits (themselves former Aurora tooling which Tyco bought) would include one of the older vehicles. Maybe it's still out there somewhere.
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Post by loco8107 on Apr 29, 2024 6:19:57 GMT -8
Someday, someone needs to do a good N11E transfer caboose. So tired of the same old power being done over and over all the time. People are way too obsessed with power and not enough with the cars and such. And I like a well done loco too but still. Brass ones aren't too expensive. I bought one for $55 a few years ago and when I looked on eBay they didn't bring much more than that. Getting to where the plastic ones are in the $100 range. The Auto-Loader was basically tooled for Lionel's HO line in 1958, I have a Lionel example in the other room. It reproduces an O27 car using an existing Athearn flat as the base. Athearn more or less retired it after the initial run, leading to Tyco copying it in 1968 or so. Then somebody rediscovered the tooling around 1992 and they have run them occasionally ever since. The cars Athearn made for it, a Cadillac and a Plymouth wagon, were somewhat crude with very flat sides. It's designed to carry four cars like the O27 version does. Tyco's version, usually molded orange on a black flatcar base, carries the Frisco logo, so there must be some photos or artwork of this version out there (probably black and white photos). It's actually slightly more accurate in that it carries six cars and the tooling of the Camaro and AMX made for it was excellent for the time. I don't know what the Impack cars are retailing for this run but kits from the initial release aren't that expensive, I think the last complete set I had sold for around $40. The only problem is they sold them as two sets, one with the ends, and one with the three middle cars. Finding both in the same road can be tough. Athearn also tooled up the 45' trailer at the same time to use with these. Interesting. I’m surprised brass ones are going that low but that’s not bad at all. |
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Post by sd80mac on Apr 29, 2024 8:00:25 GMT -8
The P42 announcement Amtrak modelers have been waiting for. 18 different road numbers!
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Post by gevohogger on Apr 29, 2024 9:10:02 GMT -8
Brass ones aren't too expensive. I bought one for $55 a few years ago and when I looked on eBay they didn't bring much more than that. Getting to where the plastic ones are in the $100 range. Interesting. I’m surprised brass ones are going that low but that’s not bad at all. I suspect that whoever it was that imported them, imported vastly more of them than the market could ever need. Thus leading to them being dumped at rock bottom prices just to get rid of them. |
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Post by milgentrains on Apr 29, 2024 11:21:12 GMT -8
www.trainz.com/products/tyco-349-autoloader-with-6-autoswww.ebay.com/itm/135022727093Tyco's cars are a 1968 Camaro and AMC AMX. One piece bodies with a window insert and snap in wheel/axles. They probably made more HO versions than either of the real ones ever sold. The cars were replaced with generic vehicles around 1982 which were also shared with the US-1 Electric Trucking slot car auto carrier trailer. But the tooling continued as some IHC structure kits (themselves former Aurora tooling which Tyco bought) would include one of the older vehicles. Maybe it's still out there somewhere. I put in an offer that the seller of the car on eBay accepted. I mainly wanted the Camaro's and the AMX's. With a little work the Tyco flay can be made into a nice car. I already have two cars that somebody body mounted Kadee's and added new trucks. All I have to do is paint and decal them before adding a wood deck. Now I have a third flat to do. |
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Post by cp6027 on Apr 29, 2024 12:11:23 GMT -8
UTTX 110015 (1 car) was class ILF50, built 1982 UTTX 60101-60120 (20 cars) were class ILF50A, built 1983 (had only inboard guide rails) UTTX 60121-60195 (75 cars) were class ILF50B, built 1984 (had inside and outside platform guide rails) all above built by Itel/FMC UTTX 110014 (1 car) was class TLF50, built 1982 UTTX 61000-61019 (20 cars) were class TLF50A, built 1984 all above built by Thrall Ed Good call, I'll have to check my ORER when I get home. The only edition I have is 2002, which is helpful for my modeling era, but makes it hard to track the lifespan of these cars across years or decades. With less than 120 cars, this seems like a small fleet compared to the many thousands of spine cars out there today. Even though the detail isn't as good as the Bowser or Athearn RTR Trinity spines, it's good that they are offering some variety in the intermodal world. The blocky design of the trailer wheel platforms gives these cars a unique look compared to the exposed beams of more modern spines. Details West makes a spine car detail kit, which would make a good addition to this model. With some plumbing and etched metal end decks, I bet you could make this model look a lot nicer. I would assume their lifespan depended on their ability to carry the 48-foot trailers that became more common in the 1980s, but not the 53-foot trailers introduced in 1990 (i n my ORERs, the UTTX mark is defined as being able to carry 40 to 48-foot trailers). If they could only carry 40 to 48-foot trailers, the Impack spine cars would have limited utility by the mid/late 90s. According to my two ORERs... UTTX 60101-60120 (20 cars) - July 89: 20 cars, July 1991: 19 cars UTTX 60121-60195 (75 cars) - July 89: 71 cars, July 1991: 71 cars UTTX 61000-61019 (20 cars) - July 89: 20 cars, July 1991: 20 carsUTTX 110014 (1 car) - July 89: 1 car, July 1991: 1 carUTTX 110015 (1 car) - July 89: 1 car, July 1991: 1 car |
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Post by ssw on Apr 29, 2024 13:13:18 GMT -8
I'm baffled how an F unit can be $40 more than a newer-tooled P42 that has more lights, bells and whistled. The price is the same if you buy the F's in pairs. Ed You're right - there's a $30 discount per unit when buying a 2-unit set. unfortunately for me, I only need the MKT 70A which is a single unit. I wonder if they goofed the single unit pricing on these. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 29, 2024 14:50:46 GMT -8
The price is the same if you buy the F's in pairs. Ed You're right - there's a $30 discount per unit when buying a 2-unit set. unfortunately for me, I only need the MKT 70A which is a single unit. I wonder if they goofed the single unit pricing on these. Unlike a certain company that ends in "o", Athearn has been giving significant quantity breaks on "multi-paks". Ed |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 29, 2024 14:59:00 GMT -8
According to my two ORERs... UTTX 60101-60120 (20 cars) - July 89: 20 cars, July 1991: 19 cars UTTX 60121-60195 (75 cars) - July 89: 71 cars, July 1991: 71 cars UTTX 61000-61019 (20 cars) - July 89: 20 cars, July 1991: 20 carsUTTX 110014 (1 car) - July 89: 1 car, July 1991: 1 carUTTX 110015 (1 car) - July 89: 1 car, July 1991: 1 carJuly 2000: 60101-60120 (4 cars) 60121-60167 (6 cars) 60168-60195 (5 cars) 61000-61019 (2 cars) In July 2005, there was only one left, in the 61000 series. Ed |
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Post by bn7023 on May 1, 2024 18:06:29 GMT -8
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