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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 25, 2014 8:44:18 GMT -8
FYI to BigBoy and all... The regular SD70Ms that Athearn did previously in the flagged UP scheme (4526-4528) were the initial 3 flag units, and the flag was changed before the later UP units. Don't think that those models are incorrect because the flag is different as the flag is different on the real ones and Athearn's model is correct. My apologies to Athearn. I never knew this. Curt thanks for pointing this out. |
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Post by jlwii2000 on Jan 25, 2014 8:51:21 GMT -8
So... Does anyone know if the first UP units released in August will be flag units or just the plain ones with Union Pacific spelled out on the side? I see Athearn put up only a picture of the non flag units but I'm wondering if there are more variants that will release all at the same time. Anyone at the train show should ask them. At the time I asked they didn't know yet.
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Post by calzephyr on Jan 25, 2014 8:58:35 GMT -8
FYI to BigBoy and all... The regular SD70Ms that Athearn did previously in the flagged UP scheme (4526-4528) were the initial 3 flag units, and the flag was changed before the later UP units. Don't think that those models are incorrect because the flag is different as the flag is different on the real ones and Athearn's model is correct. The 4526 came by Roseville a week ago and I noted it as being one of the first units with the first edition flag. You can see the difference. All of the flared units have the later edition type flag. :Larry |
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Post by bdhicks on Jan 25, 2014 10:11:48 GMT -8
Not really a UP or NS fan, so I'll probably skip these. BUT, one of the comments on Facebook says that I should be able to get the PTC antenna separately, so I'll be able to update my CNW heritage ACe.
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Post by curtmc on Jan 25, 2014 10:17:40 GMT -8
What is the most common flared UP SD70M you ask?
UP Flared SD70Ms in regular UP wings scheme (no flags) = 39
4635-4639 (5)
4710-4734 (25)
4850-4868 (19)
UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 2 cab = 121
3971-3973 (3)
4837-4849 (13)
5127-5231 (105)
UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 1 cab = 550
3779-3970 (190)
4735-4836 (102)
4869-5126 (258)
So by far the most common UP flared SD70M is the regular (phase 1) cab with flagged scheme... So you can bet that Athearn will follow with that most common scheme.
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Post by jlwii2000 on Jan 25, 2014 10:32:30 GMT -8
What is the most common flared UP SD70M you ask? UP Flared SD70Ms in regular UP wings scheme (no flags) = 39 4635-4639 (5) 4710-4734 (25) 4850-4868 (19) UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 2 cab = 121 3971-3973 (3) 4837-4849 (13) 5127-5231 (105) UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 1 cab = 550 3779-3970 (190) 4735-4836 (102) 4869-5126 (258) So by far the most common UP flared SD70M is the regular (phase 1) cab with flagged scheme... So you can bet that Athearn will follow with that most common scheme. The burning question is will they release the flagged schemes in this first batch due in August....I guess worst case scenario I just wait until tomorrow to find out when they announce road numbers. I'm just curious how much money I'll be letting out of the dwindling wallet in August.  |
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Post by fr8kar on Jan 25, 2014 10:38:42 GMT -8
These models won't affect me, but I'm glad to see Athearn has taken them on. Next, I hope Athearn gives us the ultimate Genesis C40-9/C44-9W.
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Post by curtmc on Jan 25, 2014 10:43:24 GMT -8
James, I'm betting no flags this first announcement... It would help the sales of the regular "wing" scheme by not having the flagged available too. Let the NS and pre-flag UP pull sales this initial run. As I mentioned a few days ago, let the new unit make sales in the first run and the most popular paint scheme drive the sales in the following run(s). They are probably going to wait and drain your wallet for the holidays...  UPDATE... I WAS INCORRECT! 3 flagged units announced this run! |
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Post by calzephyr on Jan 25, 2014 10:47:25 GMT -8
What is the most common flared UP SD70M you ask? UP Flared SD70Ms in regular UP wings scheme (no flags) = 39 4635-4639 (5) 4710-4734 (25) 4850-4868 (19) UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 2 cab = 121 3971-3973 (3) 4837-4849 (13) 5127-5231 (105) UP Flared/Flagged/Phase 1 cab = 550 3779-3970 (190) 4735-4836 (102) 4869-5126 (258) So by far the most common UP flared SD70M is the regular (phase 1) cab with flagged scheme... So you can bet that Athearn will follow with that most common scheme. Curtmc Do you know if any changes to the car body were made for the production units compared to the first five pre-production 4635 to 4639 SD70M units??? Thanks Larry |
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Post by atsfan on Jan 25, 2014 11:28:03 GMT -8
James just stop resisting and get one or more of each!
;-)
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Post by peoriaman on Jan 25, 2014 11:37:30 GMT -8
Couldn't have said it better myself. Where did Al Mayo say Yawn? He's been wanting this locomotive more than anybody. I don't see that comment on here. He must have deleted it. People at Athearn and I were talking about how excited he would be about the announcement. I know he doesn't like the handrails but at least now there is a more economical alternative to brass. I did decide to keep my brass ones because they do look amazing though. It was in the other thread - he was "yawning" about additional GP38 and GP40 variations. He spoke so eloquently of his disinterest, that I just had to use it here. |
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Post by curtmc on Jan 25, 2014 11:37:44 GMT -8
Larry,
I'll have to do a little research on that... The 4710 series units and 4850 series units should be the same - as they were being built at same time (4710 series in Canada, 4850 series in Mexico). 4635 series units were about a year earlier.
Update... In reviewing online photos of both sides of 4635 and 4710, I cannot see any major differences.
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Post by coaldrag on Jan 25, 2014 11:43:21 GMT -8
...... and more plain jane UTLX ethanol cars due in August too ........ damn ..
Just when I thought it was safe to go to the hobby shop .....
I hope that the roof comes off like the ACes, it'd make it a lot simpler to put in LEDs.
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Post by calzephyr on Jan 25, 2014 12:00:50 GMT -8
Larry, I'll have to do a little research on that... The 4710 series units and 4850 series units should be the same - as they were being built at same time (4710 series in Canada, 4850 series in Mexico). 4635 series units were about a year earlier. Update... In reviewing online photos of both sides of 4635 and 4710, I cannot see any major differences. Curtmc Thanks. I was thinking they might be the same, but did not have access to the pictures to prove it. LArry |
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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 25, 2014 12:26:11 GMT -8
These models won't affect me, but I'm glad to see Athearn has taken them on. Next, I hope Athearn gives us the ultimate Genesis C40-9/C44-9W. I wouldn't mind a "top hat" |
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Post by oldmuley on Jan 25, 2014 12:40:00 GMT -8
And the wallet is......SAFE! Nothing I need from this announcement.
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Post by jlwii2000 on Jan 25, 2014 12:42:10 GMT -8
James just stop resisting and get one or more of each! ;-) I think I'll just get one UP and hold off until the flags come out. Maybe two...maybe.
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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 25, 2014 14:53:06 GMT -8
looking closely at the tooling for the cab windows they improved from the version earlier. I don't remember the corners of the windshield windows as rounded as they appear now of course I never had any since probably the first run of UP's. I really like that they are truly updating this to the detail level that they have with other models. I don't like the ACE's but the SD70M's I've always been a fan of.
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 25, 2014 15:17:53 GMT -8
Couldn't have said it better myself. Where did Al Mayo say Yawn? He's been wanting this locomotive more than anybody. I don't see that comment on here. He must have deleted it. People at Athearn and I were talking about how excited he would be about the announcement. I know he doesn't like the handrails but at least now there is a more economical alternative to brass. I did decide to keep my brass ones because they do look amazing though. Someone just posted my comment from a different topic long ago. I never said yawn. I love theSD70M flared/phase II! |
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Post by jlwii2000 on Jan 25, 2014 15:23:51 GMT -8
Where did Al Mayo say Yawn? He's been wanting this locomotive more than anybody. I don't see that comment on here. He must have deleted it. People at Athearn and I were talking about how excited he would be about the announcement. I know he doesn't like the handrails but at least now there is a more economical alternative to brass. I did decide to keep my brass ones because they do look amazing though. Someone just posted my comment from a different topic long ago. I never said yawn. I love theSD70M flared/phase II! The only thing saving my wallet a little is that they aren't releasing the flag units/building America units this time around. So I'm just going to get one or two. Then when the flag units get released later down the road, it's on like Donkey Kong! |
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Post by railfan4life on Jan 25, 2014 15:27:45 GMT -8
These work for me. SD70M flare, SD70M, an SD70I--I might get a few of each. I'll have to see how different the retooled non-flare SD70M is to see if it is worth ditching my current engines for the new ones though.
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Post by stevef45 on Jan 25, 2014 17:19:44 GMT -8
anyone think they might do the SD70MAC with flared radiators too down the road?
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 25, 2014 18:30:29 GMT -8
I will surely get my share of these SD70M Flared/Phase II versions since those are the ones I truly like. So sadly I will admit that I will purchase 2 or 3 of one of my favorite locomotives ever. I am not sound obsessed either so I will be planning on getting the Non Sound units (MSRP $199) and adding the PERFECT TCS A4X decoder and Keep Alive capacitor in it the same time I will upgrade the engines to Monster LED upgrade kits. My biggest concern now is the damn handrails since I have the LEDs all worked out fine.
I shot good video of the Locomotive and will take pictures tomorrow on Sunday. I was surprisingly SWAMPED at my Display stand all day long and was not even able to walk around and buy anything! I did not make it to Mallory or Stroh at all. I shot just 5 planned videos. I have much catch up work to do tomorrow. I am EXHAUSTED today. Truly Exhausted. I am ready to sleep now at 9:30pm! Peace out!
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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 25, 2014 18:59:41 GMT -8
anyone think they might do the SD70MAC with flared radiators too down the road? I think so. |
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Post by atsfan on Jan 25, 2014 19:30:18 GMT -8
I will surely get my share of these SD70M Flared/Phase II versions since those are the ones I truly like. So sadly I will admit that I will purchase 2 or 3 of one of my favorite locomotives ever. I am not sound obsessed either so I will be planning on getting the Non Sound units (MSRP $199) and adding the PERFECT TCS A4X decoder and Keep Alive capacitor in it the same time I will upgrade the engines to Monster LED upgrade kits. My biggest concern now is the damn handrails since I have the LEDs all worked out fine. I shot good video of the Locomotive and will take pictures tomorrow on Sunday. I was surprisingly SWAMPED at my Display stand all day long and was not even able to walk around and buy anything! I did not make it to Mallory or Stroh at all. I shot just 5 planned videos. I have much catch up work to do tomorrow. I am EXHAUSTED today. Truly Exhausted. I am ready to sleep now at 9:30pm! Peace out! That is what Sunday is for! |
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Post by curtmc on Jan 25, 2014 20:57:58 GMT -8
Well, only two railroads have those and even those are very different... On both it isn't just the radiator section that would have to be changed as the rear brake-wheel placement changed too. I'd like to see a CSX 4700 series SD70MAC in plastic (if only to tick off the guy doing custom plastic ones for $700) but I'm still betting against it happening anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 7:11:39 GMT -8
Good looking models!! I prefer the Union Pacific spelled out on the hood, personally.
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Post by jlwii2000 on Jan 26, 2014 7:58:33 GMT -8
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Post by bigblow69 on Jan 26, 2014 8:18:42 GMT -8
The ES44AC's in UP I care little about, but these sign me up for all 4.
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Post by curtmc on Jan 26, 2014 8:22:34 GMT -8
Relax James... There's only 4 UP numbers there - but 3 with flags! (8 stock numbers for UP due to sound and no-sound versions each)
The 4 UP numbers announced are all from the same order - all built at London and delivered in early 2002 (Jan-March 2002)
The 4 NS numbers announced are all from the same order too - all built at London and delivered in mid 2003 (April-June 2003)
(Note NS 2591 in white face scheme as delivered*, others in white-brow scheme circa 2004 on)
* Review of online photos of NS 2591 show that it was delivered in the white face scheme (with white extending down to top of unit nose) but in 2004 was changed to be white brow scheme (white only down to top of front windows). But by 2006 that paint was starting to peel and by 2008 the unit was appearing closer to the original white face scheme on front.
PS. Feeling sharp pain in wallet area too...
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