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Post by nw611 on Jun 19, 2012 1:00:57 GMT -8
Genesis PRR F7A/B, UP/SP SD70ACe, California Northern GP15-1, BN GP9 (in four different versions), MILW GP9, MoPac GP9, DTI GP7, SP C50-4 Caboose and RTR 24' Taconite Ore Hopper (in BLE, CNW, DMIR and LSI). Any takers ? Ciao. Raffaele
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Post by drolsen on Jun 19, 2012 2:14:22 GMT -8
California Northern GP15-1 That's interesting - it will be interesting to see how that one does in terms of reservations. I recall they cancelled the Apalachicola Northern models due to a lack of orders, which disappointed a few people. I hope there's enough support for these (not for me, but for the California Northern fans out there). Dave |
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Post by riogrande on Jun 19, 2012 4:47:52 GMT -8
Are the taconite or hoppers the first salvo in the RTR line slowing cranking back up to a start again?
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Post by dti406 on Jun 19, 2012 5:47:37 GMT -8
The DT&I GP-7's would be interesting, also depends on the paint scheme and if the do the grabs correctly.
Rick J
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Post by nw611 on Jun 19, 2012 6:43:08 GMT -8
Dave, with the California Northern GP15-1s Athearn can accomodate also Texas modelers. These locomotives worked also for DGNO (Dallas Garland & Northeastern) withe the same road #s in California Northern paint scheme. Very smart. Ciao. Raffaele
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Post by drolsen on Jun 19, 2012 7:08:08 GMT -8
Thanks, Raffaele - I wasn't aware of that. That's definitely a good choice to attract additional modelers.
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 7:19:44 GMT -8
$20 per CAR for old MDC ore car.....whoopee ding it comes with metal wheels and removable load. You still have the old diecast under body and thick molded on grabs.
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Post by riogrande on Jun 19, 2012 7:21:47 GMT -8
The California Northern GP15's used to be stationed in Woodland, California, just north of my old home town of Davis. Both Davis and Woodland are west of Sacramento about a half hour drive, and I5 northbound veers W after passing through Sacratomato and passes near Woodland and head north to Oregon.
Anyhow, back in the 90's I visited my old stomping grounds and photographed some GP15's there appearing as they do in Athearn's announcement, but the photo's are still in a box at my ex's house so I may get them back someday ... Anyhow, it's a handsome scheme. I received word from a local out there that those were all replaced a few years ago in Woodland but one GP15 remains as backup power. In Davis, in the 70's and 80's, it was a lone GP9 that served the Hunt Wesson tomato factory near my neighborhood, so I am tempted to get one of those - they were announced just a month or two ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 7:38:54 GMT -8
Well on the BN stuff, they are showing the wrong phase for #1970. The prototype is a former CB&Q unit and is a PHASE I GP9 and not a phase II.
BN 1841 was already chop nosed by 1980.
BN 1742 the step wells feature four steps instead of the standard three steps.
Milwaukee Road 210 is AGAIN a PHASE I and NOT a phase II as pictured.
Milwaukee Road 228 is also phase I not a phase II.
Pretty paint and some prototype specific details on incorrect models.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 7:43:57 GMT -8
My research indicates that the BN changed the step wells on the former NP GP9's in the 1970's. By 1980 all had be converted.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 19, 2012 9:06:11 GMT -8
My research indicates that the BN changed the step wells on the former NP GP9's in the 1970's. By 1980 all had be converted. That would be from 3-step to 4-step. Looks like the three ex-NP are good only for (approximately) the '70's. Which is good for early BN modelers. 'Cause they wouldn't want the 4-step. I know GN was big on 4-steps. It's interesting that someone bothered to change the ex-NP ones. Ed |
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Post by valenciajim on Jun 20, 2012 19:13:17 GMT -8
Well one thing that is different on this forum--Atlas doesn;t lock the thread when you discuss products.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 20, 2012 19:49:46 GMT -8
Well one thing that is different on this forum--Atlas doesn;t lock the thread when you discuss products. That's a pretty broad statement. Atlas did not, in fact "lock the thread when you discuss products". I think they did a pretty good job of walking a line where they were risking lawsuits about allowing criticisms of competitors' products. If ya wanna talk about censorship, consider that Kalmbach completely evaporated a topic criticizing their use of popups. It wasn't just locked--it never happened. Talk about creeping Communist mind control. Since I was one of the posts that got vaporized, that REALLY torques me. And that ain't old news; that was just a week or so back. That said, Jim, what do ya think of Athearn's new product announcement? Ed |
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Post by fr8kar on Jun 20, 2012 21:00:56 GMT -8
Well one thing that is different on this forum--Atlas doesn;t lock the thread when you discuss products. snip If ya wanna talk about censorship, consider that Kalmbach completely evaporated a topic criticizing their use of popups. It wasn't just locked--it never happened. Talk about creeping Communist mind control. Since I was one of the posts that got vaporized, that REALLY torques me. And that ain't old news; that was just a week or so back. snip Ed I visit the Diesel Detailer from time to time. I recently saw a thread by the forum owner stating that any post endorsing Railflyer products will be removed. And he didn't use the name of the company, instead it was something childish like "rail liar." It's one thing to be disappointed in the direction of the company or upset with the long delays in delivery, but the guys there are trying to get it done. I think that post did more to make me distrust Diesel Detailer than Railflyer. |
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Post by el3637 on Jun 20, 2012 21:32:08 GMT -8
I think that post did more to make me distrust Diesel Detailer than Railflyer. I'm no big supporter of RF but I gave up on the DD a while ago. Friends disappearing without explanation, legit topics being banned (like all discussion of the Athearn DDA40X, what's up with that). Everybody is entitled to do what they want with their sandbox. As I do with mine... and where I choose to contribute. Andy |
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Post by Brakie on Jun 21, 2012 1:37:16 GMT -8
Andy,As you know there is no real reason to rag a company or product 24/7 like a vendetta..It doesn't do any good as people will ignore such rants and buy what they like,need or want regardless.
As you know I moderate on three forums and several years back we got a cease and desist letter from a on line shop that was being discussed on one of the forums because of their less then stellar performance.Research showed the forum owners could be held accountable under one of today's idiotic lawsuit charges.
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Post by sd80macs on Jun 21, 2012 3:08:44 GMT -8
snip If ya wanna talk about censorship, consider that Kalmbach completely evaporated a topic criticizing their use of popups. It wasn't just locked--it never happened. Talk about creeping Communist mind control. Since I was one of the posts that got vaporized, that REALLY torques me. And that ain't old news; that was just a week or so back. snip Ed I visit the Diesel Detailer from time to time. I recently saw a thread by the forum owner stating that any post endorsing Railflyer products will be removed. And he didn't use the name of the company, instead it was something childish like "rail liar." It's one thing to be disappointed in the direction of the company or upset with the long delays in delivery, but the guys there are trying to get it done. I think that post did more to make me distrust Diesel Detailer than Railflyer. I ended up leaving DD a long time ago due to the owners childish behavior. I understand its HIS board but having a group of people that make it what it is then treating them like dirt and locking or deleting anything he didnt like was overboard. I got banned before I even posted anything because he didnt like my screenname and thought I was someone else, LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 4:54:19 GMT -8
I used to be part of DD and left after I had a "dust up" with the owner. We'll just leave it at that.......and yes, I remember the donnybrook with SD80MAC's, the DDA40X and many other topics over at DD.
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Post by valenciajim on Jun 21, 2012 18:36:43 GMT -8
Ed, I don't pay as much attention to the Athearn announcements as I have most of what I need and the proces are generally more than I am willing to pay. I am really interested to see how Athearn and others deal with their manufacturing/distribution issues.
Also, you are right that Atlas allowed considerable discussion, but I note that on this forum if the Exactrail folks post something about their product, the thread is not locked. Obviously, Atlas did not want competitors using Atlas' site for free advertising.
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Post by Judge Doom on Jun 21, 2012 22:23:56 GMT -8
Actually, Atlas did allow competitors to post announcements and such, as long as questions to the competitor were sent off-line. One could still discuss product in those threads.
And I'm assuming here we don't have that silly rule about not being allowed to link to competitors products/product announcements as well.
I think the Diesel Detailer has potential, it's just too scattered. Too many different subboards to browse at a glance, and the amount of traffic on it doesn't warrant checking them all. Management-wise, well, I'm not sure what to think anymore having read that Railflyer bashing. Yeah, RF is kinda slow coming out with things, yeah they send out tonnes of spam to a bunch of groups and lists, but they're really quite open with the R&D of their products which IMHO is very interesting to see. Not having ordered anything, I can't speak in that respect, but it is a very small company with what looks to be a potential wide product offering. It doesn't appear to be vaporware.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 22, 2012 7:26:44 GMT -8
Quite awhile ago, I ordered Railflyer's photoengraved corner-step conversion "kit" to make the SP&S version out of the Atlas GP38. It arrived promptly and I have no complaints.
What they're trying to do in model locomotive construction is fantastic, in at least two definitions of the word. If they could put together a loco kit that got a good review somewhere, I do believe I'd buy one.
Ed
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jun 22, 2012 7:54:54 GMT -8
The main problem with new product announcements was that there was a German website that would post about new items before they were announced. Sometimes they were wrong, but many times they were right. People on the old Atlas Forum would copy and paste the info, and from some sources I've heard, it pissed off other manufacturers because the Atlas Forum was trumping their own announcements. It also lead to many e-mails and questions to these other manufacturers about their new products...and they haven't even announced them yet. (remember, hobby manufacturers are small time operations...the person answering the questions is probably the one designing the product, and they get annoyed when they are asked questions they don't have the answers for because they haven't finished designing it)
Anyways, to prevent this from occuring (and to keep the peace with their rivals, IMHO), Atlas initially instituded a total ban on all new product discussion until the product was released. Later, this was modified to allow for discussion after a product was officially announced on the manufacturer's website but no linking was allowed. The only link to other manufacturer's websites that were allowed were from an identified employee of that company, and that link was to be text-only. Also, all discussion on the "official announcement" thread was banned, but if we wanted to, we could start a non-linked discussion thread about the very same thing. Weird, but that's the way it was.
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Post by carrman on Jun 22, 2012 11:45:52 GMT -8
Randy booted me from DD and killed my SD45T-2R build thread for saying that his forum was ran with an iron fist after the Centennial discussion was banned, and I said this on a totally differnt forum. He lied to his co-mods saying I had been wanred, I was a bad apple, etc and none of it was true. When I cornered him on his lies, he said nothing and fired all the co-moderators. Charming guy.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jun 22, 2012 13:35:22 GMT -8
Randy booted me from DD and killed my SD45T-2R build thread for saying that his forum was ran with an iron fist after the Centennial discussion was banned, and I said this on a totally differnt forum. He lied to his co-mods saying I had been wanred, I was a bad apple, etc and none of it was true. When I cornered him on his lies, he said nothing and fired all the co-moderators. Charming guy.
Apparently, as of yesterday, Randy "retired" as forum owner, and handed the reigns over to a Casey Earle, whom I will assume is his son, or is at least related to him in some capacity. I don't know how his moderation will be, as the change-over was only yesterday, so we shall see...
As far as the forum itself, there are some really talented modelers that participate, but when every post is closely scrutinized for any hint of, well we'll call it "diverging opinion", and is subsequently modified or deleted without merit........you know what, it was his forum to oversee. Whatever descisions he made regarding me, or anyone else for that matter, were his to make on his forum. Quite simply, I didn't have to be there. There were, and still are many places to visit, where the reception of my opinion, whether agreeable or disagreeable, was and is warranted. And I'll just leave it at that regarding the DD Fourm.
I still lurk from time to time because I'm interested in the content. Will I try to rejoin under the new management? Probably not...But for those that do like detailing diesels, freight cars, and other railroad related items, (and here comes the plug) visit Proto Modeler (formerly Protoweathering.com) at www.protomodeler.com/ There is some truly high caliber model building going on there!
Donnell
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Post by atsfan on Jun 22, 2012 14:55:04 GMT -8
Has Athearn changed their pricing so the street prices will be probably higher now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 15:30:02 GMT -8
Randy booted me from DD and killed my SD45T-2R build thread for saying that his forum was ran with an iron fist after the Centennial discussion was banned, and I said this on a totally differnt forum. He lied to his co-mods saying I had been wanred, I was a bad apple, etc and none of it was true. When I cornered him on his lies, he said nothing and fired all the co-moderators. Charming guy. I don't know if I should say this, but I was one of the moderators that was shown the door. There was absolutely NO previous discussion that the list owner wanted to move in a different direction. It was an overnight thanks for help and your out of here moment. There are some very talented people that still remain and there are many very talented people that have left either voluntarily or through being shown the door. I fully accept that DD, this forum and all forums have a principle and if the principle and yourself butt heads......guess who the loser is.....it ain't the owner! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 15:32:14 GMT -8
Randy booted me from DD and killed my SD45T-2R build thread for saying that his forum was ran with an iron fist after the Centennial discussion was banned, and I said this on a totally differnt forum. He lied to his co-mods saying I had been wanred, I was a bad apple, etc and none of it was true. When I cornered him on his lies, he said nothing and fired all the co-moderators. Charming guy.
Apparently, as of yesterday, Randy "retired" as forum owner, and handed the reigns over to a Casey Earle, whom I will assume is his son, or is at least related to him in some capacity. I don't know how his moderation will be, as the change-over was only yesterday, so we shall see...
As far as the forum itself, there are some really talented modelers that participate, but when every post is closely scrutinized for any hint of, well we'll call it "diverging opinion", and is subsequently modified or deleted without merit........you know what, it was his forum to oversee. Whatever descisions he made regarding me, or anyone else for that matter, were his to make on his forum. Quite simply, I didn't have to be there. There were, and still are many places to visit, where the reception of my opinion, whether agreeable or disagreeable, was and is warranted. And I'll just leave it at that regarding the DD Fourm.
I still lurk from time to time because I'm interested in the content. Will I try to rejoin under the new management? Probably not...But for those that do like detailing diesels, freight cars, and other railroad related items, (and here comes the plug) visit Proto Modeler (formerly Protoweathering.com) at www.protomodeler.com/ There is some truly high caliber model building going on there!
Donnell
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Post by el3637 on Jun 22, 2012 16:01:31 GMT -8
There are some very talented people that still remain and there are many very talented people that have left either voluntarily or through being shown the door. I fully accept that DD, this forum and all forums have a principle and if the principle and yourself butt heads......guess who the loser is.....it ain't the owner! I just got tired of walking on eggshells. Not my style. I never got kicked off, or unsubbed - I just stopped posting. Andy |
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Post by el3637 on Jun 22, 2012 17:27:23 GMT -8
I just got tired of walking on eggshells. Not my style. I never got kicked off, or unsubbed - I just stopped posting. LOL LOL LOL... spoke too soon. My login has now vanished from the DD forum. Guess somebody is monitoring this one. LOL. Good riddance. I've never encountered a more anal moderator in 23 years on line, and I've run into some cases let me tell you. Hopefully all of my posts have also been deleted, so it looks as if I was never there. Andy |
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Post by Judge Doom on Jun 22, 2012 17:38:44 GMT -8
There are some very talented people that still remain and there are many very talented people that have left either voluntarily or through being shown the door. I fully accept that DD, this forum and all forums have a principle and if the principle and yourself butt heads...... guess who the loser is.....it ain't the owner! Then again maybe it is. If enough people get the boot, it starts to feel like the current state of the official Atlas forum... *Insert tumbleweed emoticon here* |
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