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Post by NS4122 on Nov 12, 2016 12:41:29 GMT -8
They are only sold out at BLI. They are available at many dealers including Factory Direct Trains which I believe is owned by BLI.
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Post by upcsx on Nov 12, 2016 13:18:45 GMT -8
Getting a few myself first BLI freight car I will have.
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 12, 2016 13:49:06 GMT -8
Factory Direct Trains's owner is the brother of the man who owns Broadway Limited Imports. I expect to receive my Airco and Linde single cars Monday.
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Post by TBird1958 on Nov 12, 2016 16:42:00 GMT -8
I have a couple on the way - Looking forward to them!
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Post by jlwii2000 on Nov 13, 2016 5:21:20 GMT -8
I just bought two on Factory Direct Trains last night because I couldn't find any at Trainfest. But when my order went through it said "shipping not required" so I have no idea what that means. It may be free shipping or sike we don't have it lol. I guess I'll find out if I get it in the mail.
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Post by icrr3067 on Nov 13, 2016 15:52:47 GMT -8
My LHS just got his order in on Saturday and his single packs for the most part are sold out. I got the 2 I was looking for from him.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 13, 2016 16:51:53 GMT -8
I worked for a subsidiary of Airco back in the late 60's in Berkeley CA in the former Hall-Scott Motor Car Company buildings. So I surely had to get one of the Airco cars. It's hopefully waiting for me at my local.
Ed
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 13, 2016 19:20:36 GMT -8
Had an Airco plant in my home town this is a different car model than BLI used for Airco, it has the 'thermo shields' that wrap over the top portions of the car.  I do have the cars they did make coming. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 13, 2016 20:51:09 GMT -8
My guy offered me some and I passed, I didn't see me selling them easily.
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Post by edgecrusher on Nov 14, 2016 14:29:04 GMT -8
Speaking of these, does anyone know of a good source for some proto pics of these? I also have one coming and would like to see how they weather.
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 14, 2016 16:32:45 GMT -8
My single Airco and LInde cars arrived today. I like them very much. One handrail wasn't into the hole it goes into; I can fix that. The detailing is quite delicate; I certainly won't be allowing my granddaughter (going on four years old now) to handle them until she's a bit older.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 14, 2016 17:23:06 GMT -8
Speaking of these, does anyone know of a good source for some proto pics of these? I also have one coming and would like to see how they weather. I saw some photo photos at the end of the listings for the different color schemes on the Factory Direct Trains site, my photo above is a photo car taken in 1960s. Pretty much overall brownish grunge color. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 15, 2016 0:30:43 GMT -8
Speaking of these, does anyone know of a good source for some proto pics of these? I also have one coming and would like to see how they weather. Which scheme? Which year(s) you model? I've found quite a few photos online, but need to know mainly which year you're modeling so I can find you some photos of cars of an appropriate age. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 15, 2016 5:24:46 GMT -8
It would be interesting to add one of these tank cars to the fleet, but I have no idea which would be appropriate for D&RGW in the 1970's. As it is, the selection of them seems to be getting pretty thin now as well.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 15, 2016 5:53:33 GMT -8
Here are some prototype shots I found on the 'net; I've only included the photos taken up until 1980. There are more online taken from 1987 on. I can post those too if there's interest. I've linked to the sites that host the images. UTLX 80010 Canadian Liquid Air, 1966, Ontario:  UTLX 80061 Air Products Industrial Gases, 1978, unknown location:  UTLX 80052 Airco Industrial Gases, 1979, Chicago:  UTLX 80046 Airco Industrial Gases, 1979, New Jersey:  UTLX 80071 Liquid Air Corporation, 1980, Durand, Michigan:  |
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Post by edgecrusher on Nov 15, 2016 6:15:18 GMT -8
Here are some prototype shots I found on the 'net; I've only included the photos taken up until 1980. There are more online taken from 1987 on. I can post those too if there's interest. I've linked to the sites that host the images. UTLX 80010 Canadian Liquid Air, 1966, Ontario: Colin, thank you. This is perfect, I've the Canadian liquid air car coming and I model the mid to late 60s. This will be very helpful. |
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Post by loophog on Nov 15, 2016 6:53:33 GMT -8
I'd like to see photos of these cars in the mid to late 1980's.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 15, 2016 7:11:56 GMT -8
I'd like to see photos of these cars in the mid to late 1980's. I've only found some Linde cars in the late 1980s. UTLX 80014 Linde, 1987, Baltimore: www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=38352 (You'll need to go over there, and create yourself an account if you don't yet have one.) UTLX 80026 Linde, 1988, California:  UTLX 80030 Linde, 1989, California:  |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 15, 2016 7:12:53 GMT -8
Looking at the reporting marks, all UTLX 800XX it doesn't look like there were too many of them. The AIRCO UTLX 80044 in my photo was used as the box art for a craftsman style kit of the car back in the way back days that had decals for a different company and they had airbrushed out the AIRCO logo and lettering on the box. The kit sat around here for many years unbuilt and apparently disappeared in one of many moves.
The circumferential bands around the car were supposed to be made from approx 1/8" strip wood that they send along and then steamed and bent to fit around the hollow wooden tube the sent for the body of the car.
Some inventive soul should put a smoke generator in one to simulate the spewing of excess pressure seen in Colin's photo of the AIRCO car.
Those were pre Bobby Pitt's days.
Now we need someone to come out with a batch of HO scale cryogenic tank truck trailers.
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Post by loophog on Nov 15, 2016 23:05:15 GMT -8
Thanks for the photos, I ordered the liquid air corporation car for my 1980's trains.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 16, 2016 0:23:26 GMT -8
Some inventive soul should put a smoke generator in one to simulate the spewing of excess pressure seen in Colin's photo of the AIRCO car. Which photo? I don't see what you mean. PS Not my photos, just ones I found on the 'net. I made them all links so if you click/tap on them they will open at the site they're hosted on where you can read the info on the photos (except for RR Fallen Flags which has it in the listings). |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 16, 2016 17:33:52 GMT -8
Some inventive soul should put a smoke generator in one to simulate the spewing of excess pressure seen in Colin's photo of the AIRCO car. Which photo? I don't see what you mean Under the centerline mid point of the Airco car photo is a slight whisp of vapor. I recall such vapor output on Airco semi trucks back in the day and Air Products trucks I see pass my current home several times a day. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 17, 2016 3:41:19 GMT -8
Which photo? I don't see what you mean Under the centerline mid point of the Airco car photo is a slight whisp of vapor. I recall such vapor output on Airco semi trucks back in the day and Air Products trucks I see pass my current home several times a day. Thanks! I was looking for it above the car... |
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Post by jonklein611 on Nov 18, 2016 5:23:38 GMT -8
These cars didn't last very long, leaking valves along with other problems. They sure are beautiful! Regards, Bobby Why did these cars have issues? |
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Post by scl1234 on Nov 18, 2016 6:30:53 GMT -8
^Could've been due to the inadequacy of seal materials used in those leaking valves. Teflon and PFA/PFOA hadn't been "innovated" to the point of being used in ball valve seats in 1960, or even 1967. Wouldn't surprise me if the seal material for those valves was graphite rope or something similar.
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Post by buffalobill on Nov 18, 2016 10:08:22 GMT -8
Bobby: The boiling point for liquid Argon is -302 d F. Actually the issue with the cars was the inner-container load rod design. They kept the stainless steel inner container suspended and oriented with in place within the outer container. It was a complex design, and the cause of many vacuum issues. The original designed hold time was 6 days, before venting of product through the road valve. With the compaction of the perlite (insulation material) in the belly, the hold times degraded over time. Even with constant re-topping of perlite, and time on the vacuum pump every trip. The cars vented continiously after about 3 days. The cars were equipped with 15 psi road valves, 25 psi safety valves, and a 30 psi rupture disc. It was designed to minimize the need for the safety to open, because there was always the potential issue of the safety not re seating.
The UTLX 80000 series cars actually had a relatively long life span, the 33 cars in Praxair's service averaged 36 years of service before retirement/replacement. They were just inefficent, heavy, and had poor vacuum performance. The DOT 113 style cars that replaced them had a designed load time of in excess of 30 days, which improved the economics considerably. Even with a capital cost in the half million range.
Bill
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Post by jonklein611 on Nov 18, 2016 10:29:44 GMT -8
^ thanks for the info!
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Post by tdspeedracer on Nov 18, 2016 14:02:20 GMT -8
After doing some searching I was able to get my hands on a Linde Union 2 pack. I was surprised how many mail order outfits were out of these already. I shouldn't have had to worry about it, but after being released for two weeks and not hearing from my not so LHS as to it's arrival, I'm guessing they lost the piece of paper with my name on it during the 14 months it took to actually be released. It's the first time they've done that to me, but I haven't played the preorder game since the second batch of Genesis F45's.
These cars look very nice. One car had an end railing with some lean to it that I should be able to massage out. The only thing I didn't like was the black coupler boxes, and a black dot behind the end walkways that I assume is the coupler box screw on a white car. I didn't get to stare at it too long to tell exactly. (My wife is understanding of my concerns about defects, but "It's not christmas yet").
That said, I will ecstatically take these and fix the couplers boxes to my liking vs having to buy a brass one, or building up a resin kit.
Trevor
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 18, 2016 14:25:34 GMT -8
These had the hardest to open cellophane packaging of anything I've ever bought, the 'slide on' outer wrap wouldn't slide off and I ended up having to cut it off. The only defects I saw were a very slightly wavy horizontal tube and a rather noticeable mold line on the horizontal center of the car. Also the AIRCO car is not the same car I photographed as a kid with the 'solar panels' but they backed up the choice they did make with photos of cars with side panels as produced.
I didn't weigh the car but it feels just a bit light from my experience with the NMRA weight spec.
Now I have to make a customer for it on my layout. Maybe next to Heisenberg Chemical works and the Los Pollos Hermanos warehouse.
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Post by upcsx on Nov 18, 2016 15:41:46 GMT -8
Got my two today one has missing parts a small box next to the brake wheel and the pipe with it.
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