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Post by riogrande on Oct 26, 2012 3:58:37 GMT -8
Atlas was producing O scale California Zephyr passenger cars. How far has this project gotten, and is it still on track? Which cars have they produced and what is left? Has the model train production slow down affected this series?
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Nov 22, 2012 13:22:23 GMT -8
Kind Sir,
just received in the post from Atlas latest news on the CZ passenger coaches.
Dining car Silver Cafe/banquet/Platter
and the 16 section sleeper coach Silver Maple/Aspen/Palm
regards Jim.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 12, 2012 6:10:32 GMT -8
Jim,
That is good news, esp since so much production has slowed it would be a shame to not see the train completed with all the cars. I did look and wasn't able to find any news on Atlas's website, so hopefully they will put this up were anyone can find it. I would have suggested they do the dome-observation before the 16-section sleeper, and save that for last... get the more important and iconic cars out first.
Cheers.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Feb 3, 2013 0:59:02 GMT -8
Kind Sir.
Atlas latest news the PRR sleeper attached to the CZ is going to be produced in post 58 colours.
Sacre Bleur I am running the pre 58 version so either I buy an undecorated version and re-decal it myself or wait until the CZ run is completed and possibly the early finish PRR sleeper may be produced. Only one problem with that ....I am 77 years young....and just might run out of time.
Maybe the fitting of a second pacemaker to supplement the one that is already in there might help. I wonder if through thought transference my two pacemakers could work my model railway DCC
....on second thoughts how would my clockwork engines get wound up?
James (well it is Sunday).
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Post by rhpd42002 on Feb 3, 2013 19:30:16 GMT -8
James,
You could always have a "word" with the almighty to see if you want to chance the wait, or..... go ahead with the undec and paint & letter it yourself. ;D
Either way, I hope you get your train completed and have the chance to enjoy it.
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Post by riogrande on Feb 16, 2013 12:26:14 GMT -8
Jim,
I don't model O scale, heck, I don't have enough room right now for even a little HO layout! But I enjoy following the saga of the California Zephyr. Hopefully they will get the full train out in O in the not to distant future! BTY, my wife is from up the road north of you near Newcastle -yes, I married a Geordie!
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Mar 11, 2014 1:01:12 GMT -8
Hi Jim,
Latest four CZ cars enroute that will make eleven out of thirteen, Just a baggage and a dome chair with conductors compartment to come.
All I will then need is a set of WP F3s an A-B-B I think and a long shelf to display them on when not running them.
James..
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Post by riogrande on Mar 11, 2014 7:41:11 GMT -8
Ah, raised a topic from over year ago! Glad you were able to find some sources for the CZ cars since JD Hobbies didn't seem to want your business. You're planning on a 13 car train? That should be impressive!
I've got nearly enough HO California Zephyr cars to run two CZ passenger trains, although they would be more like winter trains when they were shorter due to lower loadings for that time of year.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Apr 21, 2014 1:41:15 GMT -8
Two more 0 gauge CZs are on their way now via Petersons that will make eight and two on order from Atlas, will soon have the complete rake just the baggage and the dome/chair/with conductors window to be produced:-
Current stock,
Silver Rapids/Bay/Schooner/Arroyo/Mountain/Feather//Crane/Platter/Palm/Crescent/....../...../ .
Would like to go in for the El Capitan bi level cars but by the time I can save up from my pension the models will have long gone. have gone in for the LARK triple articulated dining set by GGD so the daylight Dining cars I have in the Weaver five car sets I will be able to repaint to another companies colours providing I can match the style otherwise I will be running some empty diners in with baggage cars as a sort of empty coaching stock train--will look a bit like an early version of the rainbow period.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Apr 27, 2014 7:09:36 GMT -8
Sounds good. Here is a California Zephyr consist - although it did vary depending on time period:
- bagggage
- 3 dome coaches
- 1 dome lounge
- diner
- 6-5 sleepr
- 3 10-6 sleepers
- dome observation
The 16 section sleepers were only used up until the late 1950's and then removed from service and later converted to 48 coaches in 1962/63.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Apr 27, 2014 21:44:20 GMT -8
Thank you Boss for the CZ consist, as I am trying to do the early 'daze ' the 16 sect sleeper will be alright but I will if the window formation is the same see if it is possible to fit in a chair interior and have another passenger car variation. I've lost out on the triple diner set so will have a go at scratch building a set. One thing a slab side coach body is easier to form than a tumblehome.
James.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Apr 29, 2014 21:37:06 GMT -8
CZ Baggage cars, I noticed from one of the photos a baggage car with a body wide gangway. Does anyone know, were these wide gangways used on the CZ cars while waiting for the complete consists being produced .
James.
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Post by riogrande on May 2, 2014 19:14:26 GMT -8
If you are referring to a different non-CZ baggage car, the only one I am aware of is the CB&Q Havelock baggage cars which substituted on the CZ for the Budd built matching CZ baggage cars. Do you have a photo so I can see what you are referring to?
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Oct 5, 2014 2:36:59 GMT -8
Rio Grande,
Another CZ era query,
GGD is shewing a Budd Slumber coach, would/could these be used in my era 1930s-55 time ? do you know.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 6, 2014 7:41:54 GMT -8
Hello James,
I am not an expert on all of the many private passenger trains. From what little I know, Budd made slumber coaches for a number of railroads.
If you could provide a link or which Budd slumbercoach, we might be able to find out when they were built and how long they lasted in service. I'd guess that the "modern" light weight slumber coaches were built in the 1940's and maybe the 1950's and remained in use well into the Amtrak era when the government took over most private passenger rail services in 1971.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Nov 13, 2014 1:41:42 GMT -8
News from my LHS Petersen that two more CZs are on their way.
Baggage car and Dome Buffet Lounge. Only leaves three more to complete the set..........JB.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 17, 2014 11:12:38 GMT -8
Whats left for Atlas to produce to complete the CZ? JF
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Nov 21, 2014 1:37:28 GMT -8
Jim, Five cars to come. 1 Baggage- 2 Dome chair with conductors office/window- 3 16 section sleeper - 4 6/5 sleeper - 5 Dome/Obs. James.
How is your snow ?
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Post by riogrande on Dec 3, 2014 19:31:03 GMT -8
We got a half an inch which melted the next day.
Those O scale California Zephyr cars have been coming out very far apart - I was wondering if Atlas was going to complete the whole train or not.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Dec 4, 2014 6:11:30 GMT -8
Jim, Four are advertised the only 'loose' one seems to be the Dome/chair with conductors window. I have two coming from Petersen and two from Atlas. except for the PRR sleeper which covered the New York-Chicago run all my CZs are WPs. In my ignorance I ordered all WPs not realising the train was composed from first come first served basis but I am happy to have a full train from just one company. I don't have the appropriate motive power to draw the train so representations will be made to N&W to 'borrow ' one of their J1s. My only other motive power is two SP Geeps and two AT&SF F9As and a C&NW Petrol electric railcar.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 4, 2014 7:17:00 GMT -8
For what it's worth, the real California Zephyr normally ran with only one dome-coach with the conductors window. The other two dome-coaches were without it. The link below takes you to a website with much detailed information on the California Zephyr. The 3 dome-coaches were originally configured in this order: 1st dome-coach had a section reserved for women with little children - after a few years this was no longer maintained. 2nd dome-coach had the office for a conductor - and the conductor window was present where the office was located. Only one office was normally required so that is why only one such coach was standard in each train. 3rd dome-coach was a standard come-coach calzephyr.railfan.net/Copied from the above website: Original 1949 consist - (1)Baggage car-(3)Dome Chair Coaches-(1)Dome-Buffet-Lounge-(2)10/6 Sleepers-(1)Diner-(1)16Section Sleeper-(1)10/6 Sleeper-(1)Dome Observation-Lounge. 1950 consist- (1)Baggage car-(3)Dome Chair Coaches-(1)Dome-Buffet-Lounge-(1)Diner (2)10/6 Sleepers-(1)16Section Sleeper-(1)10/6 Sleeper-(1)Dome Observation-Lounge. 1951/52 consist- (1)Baggage car-(3)Dome Chair Coaches-(1)Dome-Buffet-Lounge-(1)Diner (1)6/5 Sleeper-(2)10/6 Sleepers-(1)16Section Sleeper-(1)10/6 Sleeper-(1)Dome Observation-Lounge. 1963/64 consist- (1)Baggage car-(1) converted Chair Coach-(3)Dome Chair Coaches (1)Dome-Buffet-Lounge-(1)Diner-(1)6/5 Sleeper-(3)10/6 Sleepers (1)Dome Observation-Lounge. 1968 consist- (1)Baggage car-(1) converted Chair Coach-(3)Dome Chair Coaches (1)Dome-Buffet-Lounge-(1)Diner-(1)6/5 Sleeper-(2)10/6 Sleepers (1)Dome Observation-Lounge. Here is the basic line up from 1952 - 1962: - baggage - dome-coach - dome-coach with conductors window - dome-coach - dome-lounge - diner - 6/5 sleeper (delivered in 1952 - one for each of six train sets) - 10/6 sleeper - 10/6 sleeper - 16 section sleeper - 10/6 sleeper (transcontinental) - dome-observation Most of 1960's (but train varied more during the last 10 years) - baggage - 48 seat coach (converted from 16 section sleepers to chair cars) - dome-coach - dome-coach with conductors window - dome-coach - dome-lounge - diner - 6/5 sleeper (delivered in 1952 - one for each of six train sets) - 10/6 sleeper - 10/6 sleeper - 10/6 sleeper (3rd sleeper added based on ridership, often only 2 10/6 sleepers) - dome-observation Hope that helps! |
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Dec 4, 2014 8:43:49 GMT -8
Jim,
Thanks for the info I may fluctuate between the 1950 and 1951/2 consists depends if my traction will have the power to haul eleven or twelve cars. It makes more sense to have all the sleepers grouped together. I now know where to place the dome/chair/conductor coach when/if it should be produced otherwise I shall just get a spare dome/chair to make the number up.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 5, 2014 5:03:18 GMT -8
Of course it's totally up to you how you assemble the train! The California Zephyr had an interesting history and did vary more than many, including myself, realized. There were originally 6 eleven car train sets purchased from what I understand, and in 1952, 6 new 6/5 sleepers were bought - one for each of the six trains.
The info from that website gives just some of the story. In reality, many "foreign" passenger cars infiltrated the train over it's life and according to some, photographers preferred photographing the train in it's more pure forms. But I do have books with photo's showing the CZ often with a sleeping car at the back of the train, just ahead of the observation car (yellow Union Pacific, gray New York Central, Tuscan red Pennsy, and Northern Pacific or Great Northern - and reportedly many others!
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Dec 5, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -8
Thank Jim,
This will give me the excuse to buy other companies sleeping cars That is when I have paid for the ATSF El Kapitan ten car set from GGD. What's the name of your coach books with the CZ variations in them please. I am always interested in buying books on passenger cars.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 6, 2014 12:51:13 GMT -8
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Dec 6, 2014 14:40:39 GMT -8
Jim, In the 1952 consist the penultimate coach is shewn as a 10-6 intercontinental sleeper. Am I right I thinking this means the variation sleepers like you mentioned.ie UP NYC PRR NP GN etc.
As it' my layout I may add some heavy weights owing to lightweights not being available Here is a reason for adding some full width gangway covers.
James.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 6, 2014 19:48:10 GMT -8
There was a transcontinental sleeper which travelers could ride from California to Chicago (the terminus of the CZ) and then continue on to the east coast staying in the same sleeper all the way from coast to coast. It was a Budd sleeper and looked like the other two 10-6 sleepers in the train. I do not know the reason for the other sleepers - they were not intended to be part of the train originally but were there in numerous cases. Speaking of heavy weights, before all of the CZ Budd built passenger cars were delivered, the predecessor to the CZ was the Exposition Flyer - it was all heavyweight. As the Budd cars were delivered, they were added so there was a mixture of both for a while. When all the Budd cars were delivered, the CZ debuted in March 1949 as an all lightweight train. Here is a photo of a Budd car amidst the heavyweights. calzephyr.railfan.net/gallery/sschooner.jpg |
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Post by audiogram on Apr 26, 2015 17:58:16 GMT -8
Rio Grande, Another CZ era query, GGD is shewing a Budd Slumber coach, would/could these be used in my era 1930s-55 time ? do you know. James. If you want more information about the slumber coaches, download the following PDF: www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/SlumberCoaches.pdfIt's an article from the NRHS Bulletin. It's about 17 pages of information including history, interior and exterior photos, and drawings. It also lists all cars built and the trains they ran on. |
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Apr 27, 2015 10:05:47 GMT -8
Audiogram.........Thank you kind sir for the info supplied.....James Brodie.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on May 2, 2015 16:30:19 GMT -8
Atlas Obs Dome and 6-5 sleeper have arrived. Only three cars to go now to complete the set.JB
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