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Post by riogrande on Nov 6, 2018 14:24:27 GMT -8
What about the E&C/LBF stuff? Did Huberts get all there was to get? Some of that stuff went to Intermountain. Take a look at the Gunderson 50' box cars, value line corrugated side gondola's, welded side wood chip gons and some of the Aluminum coal gons as well. Most if not all is former E&C, LBF, and maybe Huberts. Near the top of the list here, but below the undec stuff: www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html |
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Post by 12bridge on Nov 6, 2018 14:43:08 GMT -8
I remember talking to Intermountain, they did say which cars they got, but I dont remember exactly which ones, but it was not everything.
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Post by csx3305 on Nov 6, 2018 15:55:05 GMT -8
Smooth sided 52’ gons are conspicuously absent from that IMRC announcement.......
I also recall that at one time LBF was making four different styles of woodchip car. The nesting in the Value Trains box on this thread seems to imply a tall car body.......
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Post by riogrande on Nov 6, 2018 16:28:47 GMT -8
For what it's worth, there was an article in either Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading magazine about the E&C 52' gondolas, both smooth side and corrugated side. I still have it in a box of magazines. From what I recall, the author of the article could not find any real gondolas the matched the smooth side, but he did find a series of MoPac condola's which matched the corrugated side, and successor UP as well.
The only E&C gon I have is the MoPac corrugated. It may not matter to some but I have been trying as much as possible to buy models which match real gondolas. That doesn't mean the smooth E&C model side doesn't match a real gondola, but the author of the article wasn't able to find any.
In one of those magazines there was also a review of the four E&C wood chip gons. IIRC, a couple of them with rib sides, the reviewer commented the model ribs were too shallow and not the best rendition vs. the prototypes. The smooth side better, and AFAIK, that is the one IMRC has. I forget what the fourth one looked like. I may have that article still in a box as well if I can dig through and find it.
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 7, 2018 19:16:02 GMT -8
CP 41000-series hi-cube 40' boxcar! Come on! We need these!  Wait a minute, ==> YOU<== can make it happen!!!!! Nah - Much better to get someone else to make them. I'm still waiting for Walthers to make the Tempo. Oh, hang on a minute... -Jason |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 7, 2018 19:24:03 GMT -8
Wait a minute, ==> YOU<== can make it happen!!!!! Nah - Much better to get someone else to make them. I'm still waiting for Walthers to make the Tempo. Oh, hang on a minute... -Jason Glad some hoser up there in the Great White North stepped up to do the Tempo right; beauty eh? |
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Post by csx3305 on Nov 7, 2018 20:24:07 GMT -8
For what it's worth, there was an article in either Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading magazine about the E&C 52' gondolas, both smooth side and corrugated side. I still have it in a box of magazines. From what I recall, the author of the article could not find any real gondolas the matched the smooth side, but he did find a series of MoPac condola's which matched the corrugated side, and successor UP as well. The only E&C gon I have is the MoPac corrugated. It may not matter to some but I have been trying as much as possible to buy models which match real gondolas. That doesn't mean the smooth E&C model side doesn't match a real gondola, but the author of the article wasn't able to find any. In one of those magazines there was also a review of the four E&C wood chip gons. IIRC, a couple of them with rib sides, the reviewer commented the model ribs were too shallow and not the best rendition vs. the prototypes. The smooth side better, and AFAIK, that is the one IMRC has. I forget what the fourth one looked like. I may have that article still in a box as well if I can dig through and find it. It may have been only three types of woodchip gon, maybe the fourth style was the Walthers model. Quite fuzzy on the memory, we're talking mid-to-late 90's here. One was completely smooth, one was a smoothside with shallow embossed stampings for reinforcement, and the other two were variations of ribside cars, one with shallower relief than the other. I didn't buy any, they were northwestern prototypes, all. I stumbled onto the Mopac corrugated gon article when Trainlife was in full swing...if memory serves the Hubert's thing had already imploded, IMRC hadn't taken custody of it yet, and I could not find any of the old kits on eBay at what I considered to be a reasonable sum....net result is I don't have any of that model. May have to look into the IMRC version when it shows up. Bit of a Mopac fan, I'm just not very knowledgable on it. I really like the EXR car with the interior detail. EDIT: Just re-checked the IMRC announcement link you posted....the woodchip car is the one I remember with the stampings. An FMC design. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 7, 2018 20:54:05 GMT -8
Back in the day, I was pretty enthused about the LBF woodchip gons. Until I checked them out. They were/are all poorly done.
On the back burner (the VERY back) is to use parts of a couple to help scratch a good one.
I can only assume that Frank was trying to save the planet by reducing the amount of plastic he put in his woodchip gons.
Thanks, Frank. You have saved us all!
Ed
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Post by stottman on Nov 7, 2018 22:00:56 GMT -8
Rick Selby did an article about building the SP woodchip gons back in an early 90s Model Railroader. Pretty sure measurements are in it, as that was back in the day when you could get away with taking a tape measure to a rail car.
There is also someone making complete kits and parts on shapeaways.
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Post by carrman on Nov 10, 2018 8:58:15 GMT -8
Looks like the return of tyco
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Post by NS4122 on Nov 10, 2018 9:09:17 GMT -8
I just saw the UP Heritage Collectors set on the MR show report and was totally unimpressed. 29.99 for a single car of this quality??? Really??? Looks like the return of tyco |
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Post by simulatortrain on Nov 10, 2018 10:44:22 GMT -8
I just saw the UP Heritage Collectors set on the MR show report and was totally unimpressed. 29.99 for a single car of this quality??? Really??? but... but... 'Murica Seeing as the UP set is of no value to me, is the car itself anything of note? I see they have undecs. |
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Post by stottman on Nov 10, 2018 12:13:03 GMT -8
I just saw the UP Heritage Collectors set on the MR show report and was totally unimpressed. 29.99 for a single car of this quality??? Really??? but... but... 'Murica Seeing as the UP set is of no value to me, is the car itself anything of note? I see they have undecs. $30 is still the same "MSRP" as stuff made in China..... |
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Post by Judge Doom on Nov 10, 2018 12:25:28 GMT -8
but... but... 'Murica Seeing as the UP set is of no value to me, is the car itself anything of note? I see they have undecs. $30 is still the same "MSRP" as stuff made in China..... Actually it's slightly more expensive: the Walthers Mainline ACF boxcar is $27.98 MSRP, and the current Atlas Trainman runs appear to be $27.95. But, both are up from previous runs with cheaper pricing (the Walthers was $24.98 before, and the previous Atlas run was $23.95 in 2016). That's not to say anything about the MSRP markup, dealer cost and selling price...I have a feeling the Value Trains version will have less wiggle-room for dealer discounting than the other brands. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 13:14:23 GMT -8
After seeing James's video, Value Trains just fell off my radar like a lead brick. More molded on detail than I care about, same as Walther's new stuff, very disheartening. Oh well.
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Post by oldmuley on Nov 10, 2018 13:15:52 GMT -8
“Value” is not the word I’d use.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 10, 2018 13:35:13 GMT -8
What makes it "bold"? Boldly molded on parts?
What exactly did they release any way? Nothing posted here so far, and their web site had nothing earlier today.
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Post by cemr5396 on Nov 10, 2018 14:23:27 GMT -8
What makes it "bold"? Boldly molded on parts? What exactly did they release any way? Nothing posted here so far, and their web site had nothing earlier today. Tyco quality ACF boxcar painted in the schemes of the UP SD70ACe heritage units. $30 a pop. |
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Post by wp8thsub on Nov 10, 2018 15:54:41 GMT -8
What exactly did they release any way? One of the worst executed new freight cars anybody's seen in years, in nothing but fantasy paint schemes aimed at the Lionel/collector market. It's essentially the same car as the Atlas Trainman ACF plate C model, but with very poor tooling even in comparison to that shop.atlasrr.com/c-396-h108.aspx . It won't sell to scale modelers at all. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 10, 2018 16:44:59 GMT -8
These are not the droids we were looking for.
Sounds like this new company is aiming at a different market, maybe the toy trainset crowd but yet with Kadee couplers.
Plus they are offering a model that is already covered. Did they do any market analysis before hand? If they don't find a profitable niche, this company may not last long.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 10, 2018 16:57:43 GMT -8
From James's video, I get the impression that these guys are doing painting on models supplied by someone else. Sort of like Bev-Bel. The guy said they'd love to do custom painted cars for people, for example.
Well, they may be just trying to get something off the ground, and will bowl us over in a year or two when they finally do what they really wanted to do.
Or not.
I do see they had the fanciest jackets, by far. FWIW.
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Nov 10, 2018 17:12:21 GMT -8
I just watched James video. What I saw reminded me of trains for the collectors market. Seemed like nearly all fantasy paint jobs, which is something I try intentionally to avoid.
They sure do seem to spend a lot on "window dressing" and flashy hype.
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Post by packer on Nov 10, 2018 17:20:43 GMT -8
At least they have good couplers... that’s about all I can say
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Post by mowingman on Nov 10, 2018 17:35:24 GMT -8
Didn't one of our former presidents once say, "What this country needs is a good $5.00 freight car"? Oops, well, it was something like that.
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Post by bnsf971 on Nov 10, 2018 17:45:20 GMT -8
Didn't one of our former presidents once say, "What this country needs is a good $5.00 freight car"? Oops, well, it was something like that. I think this country STILL needs a good $5 freight car. |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Nov 10, 2018 19:23:46 GMT -8
These are not the droids we were looking for. [SNIP] For some reason, I'm picturing R2-D2 and C-3PO painted in UP Heritage schemes... Realtors say, "There's a buyer for everything." Having spent a lot of time browsing and milling about in train stores, I've overheard a lot of "Cool, man!" reactions and consequent purchase decisions that I personally would never have made, but which (somehow ... go figure) made somebody happy. Just saying, who knows, they may have found a niche. |
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Post by simulatortrain on Nov 10, 2018 19:46:58 GMT -8
I'm sure somebody's browsing those O27 catalogs wishing they could get HO cars to match their glut of heritage units. It ain't me!
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Nov 11, 2018 7:29:57 GMT -8
What an interesting collection of........yuck! Totally Tyco-lishish  |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 11, 2018 10:48:12 GMT -8
When I looked at the collection of box cars, it reminded me of the kind of stuff aimed at collectors, and I don't mean collectors who are hoping to model a real RR some day. Think football, coca cola, john deer, only with a more railroad theme. James referred to them all as fantasy in his video. I think the only fanstasy freight car I considered buying was Mike Califones Tangent Alagash gondola - well done but a but a freelance/fantasy scheme of what could be.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Nov 11, 2018 11:58:43 GMT -8
Pretty much the same here -- I have some Gorre & Daphetid passenger cars and I think a couple freight cars Roundhouse did 15 or 20 years ago.
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