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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 14, 2020 8:45:59 GMT -8
Lead foil would deform more easily for those into a really battered wall or floor look. maycoindustries.com/specialty-products/lead-foilMaybe even a brass-lead or brass-lead-brass sandwich to get varying mixes of weight and malleability. Maybe aftermarket or DIY for extreme weatherers. Having an accurate frame underneath would permit the floor to sag in the correct places. I seem to recall some beaters where the outline of the frame could be seen beneath the rusted, battered floor. ETA: I should note that brass & lead have differing thermal coefficients of expansion, so various combinations of metals should be explored, or a trimetal sandwich be designed to accommodate and balance disparate forces. Pure exposed (then painted) lead would of course be the sensible answer, but regulations would put the kibosh on that for any retail product. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 14, 2020 18:43:04 GMT -8
I suppose I should throw in other metals for candidates in mixed media models. Like everything, there are trade-offs: malleability, cost, density etc.
To get into thin sheets for freight car walls metals need rolled. For recreating damage from lading, metals need hammered or otherwise deformed.
The two aren't the same:
"Metals malleable by hammering are (in order starting with the most malleable): gold, silver, aluminum, copper, tin, platinum, lead, hot zinc, and soft steel (Mayer 1969). Metals in order of malleability by rolling are: lead, tin, gold, silver, aluminum, copper and platinum (Untracht 1968)."
I'd have to play around with tin a bit, never really worked with it. Lead I'd imagine is cheap because it's become something of a pariah metal. I'd guess Dentists and hospitals regularly go through lead shields worn by patients if one is bargain hunting, although it might need rolled to get an appropriate thickness. If you're a literally "roll your own" metalsmith, benchtop rolling mills from Durston (UK) and Pepetools (US) are excellent. There are of course cheap copies from China and India for less...
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 14, 2020 18:57:22 GMT -8
Unless it is paper thin, I dont see how brass sides will help with weathering at all. Brass sheet is pretty damn tough.
Its a nice car, but frankly I am withholding my judgement so far. Model railroading does not exactly have the best track record with photo etched anything, from grills on F units, to the Exactrail centerbeams that fall apart if you pick them up wrong.
Model railroading has a long, long way to go to catch-up to the Military guys in terms of photo etch, and more importantly, bonding it to plastic properly.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 14, 2020 19:49:15 GMT -8
Like a dog with an electric collar, I learned very quickly how to pick up an Exactrail centerbeam.
I can only wonder at anyone who kept having problems.
Ed
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 14, 2020 21:57:06 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 15, 2020 2:02:06 GMT -8
Like a dog with an electric collar, I learned very quickly how to pick up an Exactrail centerbeam. I can only wonder at anyone who kept having problems. Ed Yeah, and they included a warning instruction in the packaging too. |
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Post by markfj on Jul 15, 2020 5:57:09 GMT -8
Unless it is paper thin, I dont see how brass sides will help with weathering at all. Brass sheet is pretty damn tough. Its a nice car, but frankly I am withholding my judgement so far. Model railroading does not exactly have the best track record with photo etched anything, from grills on F units, to the Exactrail centerbeams that fall apart if you pick them up wrong. Model railroading has a long, long way to go to catch-up to the Military guys in terms of photo etch, and more importantly, bonding it to plastic properly. Yes, photo etched parts are really prevalent in military models, but those are typically static display models that see little or no handling once they’re assembled. The model train manufacturer has to make parts that are scale (or close to scale), easy to assemble at the factory, and durable enough to withstand some degree of handling. As an example, no one seems to have developed “the” best way to apply roofwalks and yet photo etched and stainless parts have been around for years. I agree we should be seeing greater use of photo etch parts, but I think it’s still going to come at slow pace. Thanks, Mark Reading, PA |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 15, 2020 6:24:56 GMT -8
Did they only make one run? Looking through the Exactrail archive they only made 6 or 7 road numbers of each, except 18 for the BN I think there was a follow-on run for the 2nd half of the BN cars (9 of the 18). I bought as many of these as made sense, considering it appears BN only had 190 of them. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 15, 2020 8:02:13 GMT -8
Been pretty quiet on the ExactRail front. *chirp*
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Post by jstevens on Jul 15, 2020 8:34:34 GMT -8
Been pretty quiet on the ExactRail front. *chirp* Well, we have their upcoming Coil Shields/Protectors to look forward at some point this summer. Product VP Chris Brimley also hinted that there are productions ahead of the Coil Shields. One can hope we might get a surprise release or two from them soon. From what i recall, that was their common practice years ago prior to the whole factory shutdown mess. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 15, 2020 8:41:27 GMT -8
Been pretty quiet on the ExactRail front. *chirp* Well, we have their upcoming Coil Shields/Protectors to look forward at some point this summer. Product VP Chris Brimley also hinted that there are productions ahead of the Coil Shields. One can hope we might get a surprise release or two from them soon. From what i recall, that was their common practice years ago prior to the whole factory shutdown mess. Yeah, the coil shields are due "summer 2020" so some time soon for those. Those are way too new for me but alluding to what you mentioned, I've been hounding Chris for D&RGW GSC bulkheads and I believe they have enough photo's of the end lockers so hoping those are coming with another run of GSC bulkheads. Folks on the D&RGW list have also word that more D&RGW quads are coming (ouch). Other than that, it does seem E-R stock is in need of refreshing. Others have seemingly recovered from AFFA closing |
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Post by jstevens on Jul 15, 2020 8:58:11 GMT -8
Well, we have their upcoming Coil Shields/Protectors to look forward at some point this summer. Product VP Chris Brimley also hinted that there are productions ahead of the Coil Shields. One can hope we might get a surprise release or two from them soon. From what i recall, that was their common practice years ago prior to the whole factory shutdown mess. Yeah, the coil shields are due "summer 2020" so some time soon for those. Those are way too new for me but alluding to what you mentioned, I've been hounding Chris for D&RGW GSC bulkheads and I believe they have enough photo's of the end lockers so hoping those are coming with another run of GSC bulkheads. Folks on the D&RGW list have also word that more D&RGW quads are coming (ouch). Other than that, it does seem E-R stock is in need of refreshing. Others have seemingly recovered from AFFA closing I've personally been pestering ExactRail for more Centerbeams and BSC Quad-hoppers. Every time they give me the stock answer of "Very soon". If that's the case, my wallet is dangerously not safe. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 15, 2020 9:02:42 GMT -8
I've personally been pestering ExactRail for more Centerbeams and BSC Quad-hoppers. Every time they give me the stock answer of "Very soon". If that's the case, my wallet is dangerously not safe. Yeah, very soon seems to be a relative term! I've been told ExactRail does plan to re-run the Centerbeams again, but it's been pretty open ended. I have 5 from the original run but some of them have fairly bowed side sills and if/when they are offered again, they've told me I can get replacments. Some may recall some of them had assembly issues. I keep expecting to hear announcement of more Bethlehem 3483 quad hoppers at some point which will include more D&RGW and possibly other roads? They still have a decent amount of CB&Q, BN and GN left in stock and probalby want to clear more of those out. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 16, 2020 4:31:17 GMT -8
I just checked the Arrowhead site and the GONX as-delivered version now shows "sold out". Apparently the stock Arrowhead is expecting around August 10 are all spoken for. Not bad for "just a gondola".  Dealers will still be getting GONX for those who didn't pre-order thru Arrowhead directly. And the CSX versions may still be pre-ordered through Lombards - I didn't check Lombards to see status. |
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 17, 2020 3:08:05 GMT -8
Centerbeams are always nice, but more PS 50' waffles are what I'm waiting for. I'm in for five coil shields when they arrive, I think.
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Post by unittrain on Aug 7, 2020 14:48:22 GMT -8
Just got an email from Blain saying due to Covid the models probably will ship mid September or later.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 7, 2020 14:57:16 GMT -8
Just got an email from Blain saying due to Covid the models probably will ship mid September or later. ah, oh well. Most of us are used to delays these days. |
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Post by packer on Aug 7, 2020 15:09:39 GMT -8
I just checked the Arrowhead site and the GONX as-delivered version now shows "sold out". Apparently the stock Arrowhead is expecting around August 10 are all spoken for. Not bad for "just a gondola". Dealers will still be getting GONX for those who didn't pre-order thru Arrowhead directly. And the CSX versions may still be pre-ordered through Lombards - I didn't check Lombards to see status. Well I tried to preorder 2 of the GONX ones through Lombard. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Aug 7, 2020 15:38:41 GMT -8
I just checked the Arrowhead site and the GONX as-delivered version now shows "sold out". Apparently the stock Arrowhead is expecting around August 10 are all spoken for. Not bad for "just a gondola". Dealers will still be getting GONX for those who didn't pre-order thru Arrowhead directly. And the CSX versions may still be pre-ordered through Lombards - I didn't check Lombards to see status. Well I tried to preorder 2 of the GONX ones through Lombard. If we had a tidal wave of them hit the market would it be GONXrrhea? |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 7, 2020 15:44:40 GMT -8
I just checked the Arrowhead site and the GONX as-delivered version now shows "sold out". Apparently the stock Arrowhead is expecting around August 10 are all spoken for. Not bad for "just a gondola". Dealers will still be getting GONX for those who didn't pre-order thru Arrowhead directly. And the CSX versions may still be pre-ordered through Lombards - I didn't check Lombards to see status. Well I tried to preorder 2 of the GONX ones through Lombard. No idea if you'll get them. I learned something about Lombards preorder system when I called about the Tangent Greenville 86' boxcars. The have a finite number they get and the preorder form does no good if x number of models are already spoken for. That's why I called them, to find out if it was a waste of time and move on and, in the case of the Tangent SP boxcars, check other shops. Eventually I think I found a shop I can get from. |
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Post by migalyto on Aug 7, 2020 16:06:50 GMT -8
Just got an email from Blain saying due to Covid the models probably will ship mid September or later. ah, oh well. Most of us are used to delays these days. That's not a bad thing. I guess Tangent will get Arrowheads money, and I have a month to scrape up some cash to give to Arrowhead. Why do I feel like I'm juggling lone sharks! |
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Post by elfan on Aug 7, 2020 18:15:35 GMT -8
Well I tried to preorder 2 of the GONX ones through Lombard. No idea if you'll get them. I learned something about Lombards preorder system when I called about the Tangent Greenville 86' boxcars. The have a finite number they get and the preorder form does no good if x number of models are already spoken for. That's why I called them, to find out if it was a waste of time and move on and, in the case of the Tangent SP boxcars, check other shops. Eventually I think I found a shop I can get from. I went to Lombard Hobbies in person on Tuesday, I’m a regular customer. When I asked about the Tangent 86’ hy cubes I was told all were spoken for,whenever they arrive. He said I should have ordered earlier. I said they were just announced! Lol. Not sure how many they have coming,but in less than 36 hours they sold out their entire allotment. Now I’m not sure if they are holding some back like is done with tickets in the concert/entertainment business,but I was shut out!  Tom |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 7, 2020 18:45:12 GMT -8
Yep, I was shut out too. I had the same comment about they had just been announced. Moral about Lombards preorder is it only works for items announced with an "order-by" date with the manufacturer. Manufacturers often advertise a date they take orders by for the factory. Same with Hogtrainz. Otherwise you risk ordering too late after dibs are in for the quantity the shop is supposed to get, or miss out. And we all know shops are often shorted as well. Fun fun!
Anyway, Tangent has stated they are running more of several road names for those who miss out this run. Arrowhead... Maybe not.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 7, 2020 19:30:02 GMT -8
Anyway, Tangent has stated they are running more of several road names for those who miss out this run. Arrowhead... Maybe not. I believe Arrowhead ran their cars from a small-ish group of Railgons. That's why I only ordered two. They will likely do later runs from other groups. I will then order more. If these cars are as good as everyone says, Arrowhead will certainly run more. And I will buy more. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 7, 2020 19:34:07 GMT -8
Or maybe...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 19:41:46 GMT -8
I honestly don’t know how you guys are able to take hits that quickly. Between all the products announced in the last month and a half I could rack up a 5 figure wishlist in seconds. However the reality of what my wallet can withstand is considerably less. These manufacturers make it difficult to choose which 1 product I buy this month. Then when the surprise announcements come out and I’m not financially in a position to spend, I miss out. I’m not trying to cultivate this into a pity party. I just find it difficult to keep up and still get what I want when the quantities are so limited and the products sell so quickly. I wonder how much sales opportunities Tangent and Arrowhead have missed from their products selling out in less than a week.
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Post by bncascadegreen on Aug 8, 2020 1:08:20 GMT -8
I honestly don’t know how you guys are able to take hits that quickly. Between all the products announced in the last month and a half I could rack up a 5 figure wishlist in seconds. However the reality of what my wallet can withstand is considerably less. These manufacturers make it difficult to choose which 1 product I buy this month. Then when the surprise announcements come out and I’m not financially in a position to spend, I miss out. I’m not trying to cultivate this into a pity party. I just find it difficult to keep up and still get what I want when the quantities are so limited and the products sell so quickly. I wonder how much sales opportunities Tangent and Arrowhead have missed from their products selling out in less than a week. I know what you mean. My issue is all the announcements get crammed together or release dates keep changing never know what to budget for......I have a life outside of modeling. I love to travel and go do things. I gave backorders piled high. If the producers don’t offer stock.....the chance of me saying I’ll buy a random 50$ maybe a nope.....example I g hv have Scaletrains autoracks on preorder. So that money’s going there. Athearn just announced Dash 9s, I have Scaletrains but I’m picking up a few Athearn’s...those ETAs are July 2021, same time the Athearn Genesis SD70MACs are due out....like seriously!? So money’s not the issue but the timing is well “not so great”. |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Aug 8, 2020 5:08:45 GMT -8
I honestly don’t know how you guys are able to take hits that quickly. Between all the products announced in the last month and a half I could rack up a 5 figure wishlist in seconds. However the reality of what my wallet can withstand is considerably less. These manufacturers make it difficult to choose which 1 product I buy this month. Then when the surprise announcements come out and I’m not financially in a position to spend, I miss out. I’m not trying to cultivate this into a pity party. I just find it difficult to keep up and still get what I want when the quantities are so limited and the products sell so quickly. I wonder how much sales opportunities Tangent and Arrowhead have missed from their products selling out in less than a week. Most businesses that produce their own product for on-line sales could only dream of selling out an entire line in less than a week. The satisfaction of knowing they researched and manufactured expensive HO model railroad products that were released during a global pandemic and the worst economic conditions most of us will ever see has to be a huge relief. Tangent and Arrowhead are run by very knowledgeable individuals and I wish them nothing but continued success. |
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Post by avel on Aug 8, 2020 18:17:56 GMT -8
Wait five years and they'll be another run. Or get out the credit cards and buy, buy, buy!  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 8, 2020 20:18:47 GMT -8
Wait five years and they'll be another run. Or get out the credit cards and buy, buy, buy! Avel, You are saying buy it now or wait five years. Do you have inside information? Where's the five years coming from? Or are you perhaps just generating phlegm? Isn't "phlegm" just a GREAT word? Ed |
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