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Post by mdvle on Jul 1, 2021 15:33:23 GMT -8
Appears no webpage yet, but announced today and part of their rotating banner on their website as well as on their Facebook page.
Pre-orders August 1st to September 30th, ETA June 2022
Available Olive Drab, Desert Sand or Undecorated
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Post by idgara on Jul 1, 2021 16:29:57 GMT -8
What? No silver black one with some sun glassed clod, Horacio Cain? I’m disappointed.
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Post by pboilermaker on Jul 1, 2021 16:51:26 GMT -8
An M1151 no less...great for OEF/OIF era!
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 2, 2021 4:08:04 GMT -8
Hmmmm, I think I'd rather have the regular civilian model, the H2. Although I suppose this version might be useful for those modelling a military train.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 2, 2021 4:16:48 GMT -8
When were those first produced? They would be interesting for flatcar loads.
Edit: I did a quick google and production began in 1984 but weren't delivered until 1985 - a little late for my era.
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Post by Christian on Jul 2, 2021 4:47:52 GMT -8
I did a quick google and production began in 1984 but weren't delivered until 1985 - a little late for my era. Right on the mark for me to have a string of these passing through on their way to Fort Sam, Fort Hood, and Fort Riley. EXCEPT, I'd bet that these models will be pricey, and no way I could put together a string of them. I was always amused by the irony that these came out of the same factory that Studebaker built to construct wagons for the Union Army. |
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Post by militaryrail on Jul 2, 2021 6:06:21 GMT -8
Just a quick note to those who are considering these and want to be 100% accurate the M1151A1 wasn't introduced until 2004.
While the original Humvee was introduced in Oct-1985, there are spotting differences.
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Post by Christian on Jul 2, 2021 6:44:06 GMT -8
Just a quick note to those who are considering these and want to be 100% accurate the M1151A1 wasn't introduced until 2004. While the original Humvee was introduced in Oct-1985, there are spotting differences. WHEW! |
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Post by idgara on Jul 2, 2021 6:56:20 GMT -8
On website, they’re running around $30.00, for a two pack of basic military colors. While I appreciate any vehicle models, I find this odd as it’s limited in it’s uses.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 2, 2021 7:42:23 GMT -8
There are probably a lot of military modelers out there who these will be popular with despite limited uses to us.
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Post by mdvle on Jul 2, 2021 7:56:37 GMT -8
On website, they’re running around $30.00, for a two pack of basic military colors. While I appreciate any vehicle models, I find this odd as it’s limited in it’s uses.
Those are N scale.
The HO ones I am guessing won't be listed until pre-orders open in August.
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 2, 2021 7:58:51 GMT -8
On website, they’re running around $30.00, for a two pack of basic military colors. While I appreciate any vehicle models, I find this odd as it’s limited in it’s uses. Who is it, Model power I think, that makes the HO tank models? Roco, Herpa maybe? An entire train of military equipment including Humvees would be pretty impressive but of course I am going to assume the era would all clash with each other. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 2, 2021 8:12:51 GMT -8
There's been an awful lot of HO military "vehicles" produced, from all eras.
I've got my collection of M103's that are aimed for those old AHM flats, for about 1960 or so.
Ed
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Post by drolsen on Jul 2, 2021 9:16:36 GMT -8
Just a quick note to those who are considering these and want to be 100% accurate the M1151A1 wasn't introduced until 2004. While the original Humvee was introduced in Oct-1985, there are spotting differences. Yes, there is a huge difference in appearance between the M1151 uparmored HMMWV and the original versions. When introduced in the 1980s, the HMMWV had fabric doors and roof and no armor at all - basically just an aluminum body. There were /are variants with aluminum doors and roofs (we sometimes called them "hard doors"), but those were also unarmored and really just a little more durable than the fabric version.  Aluminum doors on a Greek Army HMMWV: Greek Army HMMWVEven among uparmored HMMWVs (sometimes abbreviated "UAH"), there was an evolution in design. I believe the M1114 was first the armored HMMWV, which was first produced in 1996 and used for operations in Bosnia. The thinner doors and flush windows are visual identifiers for the lightly-armored M1114: M1114 UAHAs IEDs became a huge threat in Iraq, a number of companies developed "survivability kits" to add armor to older unarmored HMMWV variants. There were quite a few variations, but this photo shows an example of one, which is recognizable because of the block of ballistic glass with no real frame on the doors:  The big feature of the M1151 was its upgraded heavy-duty chassis and more powerful engine. In the first few years of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, the military quickly found that all the added weight of the armor was very hard on the stock HMMWV engine and suspension and wore both out quickly. The protruding window frames with much thicker ballistic glass are good identifiers, but those could be seen on old models that had been upgraded as well. The M1151 has a bit of a squat appearance compared to early models because of the heavy body and beefed-up suspension:  Just for my own personal modeling preference, while I rode in lots of M1151s, I'd need models of the M1114 for my mid-'90s modeling era. I could put some on a train to represent new vehicles heading from the factory to units deploying to Bosnia. It looks like at least one resin 1/87 model has been produced. Here's an neat example: U.S. Army M1114 HUMVEE - By Peter WeixelbaumerRegardless, it's very cool to see Micro-Trains producing this iconic U.S. military vehicle. Dave |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 2, 2021 9:43:50 GMT -8
One of the few short stories that I remember reading in one of my high school english books (early sixties) was about a couple of guys in a relatively quiet war zone who enjoyed racing their jeep. They thought it was too topheavy and tippy, so they stuck some steel plate on the bottom to lower the CG. This was, of course, totally unauthorized behavior. Somehow the story turns out with them being heroes, though, because the steel plate was also pretty good for mines, as an officer found out.
Ed
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 2, 2021 9:58:36 GMT -8
I've never really liked the styling on these with the protruding grille and light bar. The flush style was much more appealing on the eyes, was that done for the engine or some other reason?
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Post by lvrr325 on Jul 2, 2021 11:53:12 GMT -8
Oh, good now I can build a model of this:
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Post by lvrr325 on Jul 2, 2021 12:05:14 GMT -8
I've never really liked the styling on these with the protruding grille and light bar. The flush style was much more appealing on the eyes, was that done for the engine or some other reason? given the grille is moved out a bit maybe improved cooling. The older ones use the 6.5L V8 diesel, so also possible they have a different engine. |
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Post by cklx on Jul 3, 2021 7:36:42 GMT -8
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 3, 2021 8:05:27 GMT -8
A question for Edward Sutorik and others much more knowledgeable about military vehicles than I am. I've just looked up the Wikipedia article the M103 and learned that the US Army and Marines used them only 1954-1974. Do you have any idea how long National Guard units used them for training? I saw a train heading west under the "railfans' bridge at the west end of the B&M's East Deerfield yard sometime in the 1970s, powered by some of Guilford's ex-Santa Fe EMD low nosed 6-axle units, with flats carrying tanks probably heading for National Guard training at Camp Drum in northern New York. What sort of tanks were they likely to be. I have one Roco flat that I'll be painting and decaling, following an old Mainline Modeler article, probably by Mont Switzer. I think the Roco Sherman tanks I have are probably too old a type to match what I saw. And I see that Roco did produce a kit for an M130 with a 120 mm cannon.
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Post by pboilermaker on Jul 3, 2021 8:46:17 GMT -8
I've never really liked the styling on these with the protruding grille and light bar. The flush style was much more appealing on the eyes, was that done for the engine or some other reason? That is the armored ballistic grill (top louvered part) and extension which was part of the ECV chassis upgrade. These HMMWVs had a more powerful turbodiesel to accommodate higher performance requirements and the front grill was pushed out to facilitate an augmented cooling system for the ECV. |
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Post by 690 on Jul 3, 2021 8:46:36 GMT -8
Steve, that would have been much later than the 70s, Guilford bought the B&M in 1983, and started acquiring the SD26s at the end of 1986.
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 3, 2021 8:59:22 GMT -8
690, thanks very much for the correction. My memory is FAR from infallible. I probably will stick with the Sherman tanks; I think the Roco flatcar with 6-wheel trucks is old enough to make them plausible in the car, and I have a great deal of equipment from the 1940s and 1950s. The cutoff between the "steam" and "modern" parts of my freight car roster is 1953 (last year for any actual D&H steam locos ) to 1956 (last year for B&M steam in regular service).
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 3, 2021 9:00:13 GMT -8
Steve,
Best start for finding this kind of thing out is Wikipedia.
The M103 had a short but interesting history. I don't think the National Guard got any.
I would guess you saw either M48's or M60's. I'm sure someone here has more info.
Ed
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 3, 2021 9:02:37 GMT -8
Thanks, Ed!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 3, 2021 9:10:40 GMT -8
690, thanks very much for the correction. My memory is FAR from infallible. I probably will stick with the Sherman tanks; I think the Roco flatcar with 6-wheel trucks is old enough to make them plausible in the car, and I have a great deal of equipment from the 1940s and 1950s. The cutoff between the "steam" and "modern" parts of my freight car roster is 1953 (last year for any actual D&H steam locos ) to 1956 (last year for B&M steam in regular service). The Roco flat car was built in 1952-53. I'm pretty sure it was designed to carry the M103, which it could carry one of. It could carry two of the lighter tanks. I doubt they carried any Shermans. Those were retired right after the war. The cars lasted until about 1995 (when there were still 77 in military service). They were, and are, very sturdy cars; and they were sold off all over the place. I remember going on a steam excursion railroad up in Washington State, and seeing a couple up there. I doubt any were used in interchange, however. Used in MOW service. VERY sturdy. Lasting 40 years, they certainly carried an assortment of "stuff". For the Shermans, I'd recommend some 50' cast underframe flats, leased from various railroads. Ed |
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 3, 2021 10:54:02 GMT -8
2:51 p.m.,EDT
Ed, just saw your latest post after putting out more seed for the birds in three of the four feeders here at home. After a three-day heat wave -- not nearly as bad as much of the American and even parts of the Canadian West have been experiencing, the last two days have been much cooler with quite a lot of rain.
Thanks VERY much for the information.
Steve
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 3, 2021 11:30:22 GMT -8
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Post by 690 on Jul 3, 2021 12:15:07 GMT -8
The Batten Kill has two that they use for MOW service to this day.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 3, 2021 12:58:55 GMT -8
I doubt they carried any Shermans. Those were retired right after the war. Ed, the U.S. continued to use the upgunned 76mm version of the Sherman, the M4A3E8 "Easy Eight," through the Korean War, even after the introduction of the M26 Pershing and M46 Patton tanks. It's recognizable by its longer gun tube - it's actually the variant depicted in the movie "Fury." Artitec makes an HO scale model of it, and it looks great from the photos I've seen, but at ~$50 each, it would be an expensive flat car load: U.S. Sherman M4A3E8 Easy Eight Artitec 387.359I found an example of Shapeways also, but it only shows the CAD depiction. I doubt it would print to the level of fidelity that's show in the renderings, and for that price, I'd rather pay extra for the finished Artitec model: Shapeways Sherman M4A3E8 TankDave |
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