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Post by cemr5396 on May 5, 2022 12:06:06 GMT -8
Jim-- They smartly opted to make an SD40-2 variant that nobody had done, the GMD version. The only issue there is I have searched the entire BNSF roster, and I cannot find one single GMD unit that ever went to BNSF even secondhand and many years later. At least a few did go to UP. However, for folks like you and me modeling our preferred western road during the 1970's, they did not own any GMD SD40-2's. There would of course have been leased or run-through power, particularly on ATSF, who even leased brand spanking new Chessie System GP40-2 units in full Chessie paint. I think one of Joe McMillan's books does show a CN SD40-2 unit running on the east end of the Santa Fe in an otherwise ATSF and PC loco consist...but anyway not so common. BNSF had some ex-CN GMD SD40s (straight 40s, not -2s) that they got in the late 1990s that were rebuilt with US style steps and high headlights, but they retained some of their distinctly Canadian features, like snow shields, vertical headlights on the back, CN style 'lampshade' ditchlights, and CN style split reservoirs and center of fuel tank fuel fills. Athearn made them a few years back, you could probably find one somewhere if you looked hard enough. |
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Post by fr8kar on May 5, 2022 13:31:48 GMT -8
I wish I had an excuse to buy a Bowser but I don't think they make any versions of interest to me. There’s is a GMD. BN (7167-7205, 7206-7235, & 8074-8089) and I think some UP were GMD; but I’m not sure what the spotting features would be. The BN 7206-7235 group had no reinforcing ribs in the blower housing, which is a GMD spotting feature IIRC. In addition they also had Q-fans, exhaust silencer, standard dynamic braking and dual fuel filler necks (a standard feature of BN's coal fleet SD40-2s). |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 18:12:00 GMT -8
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not finding any Canadian/rebuilt BNSF SD40's on the Athearn website under retired models?
There do appear to be some CN units.
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Post by cemr5396 on May 5, 2022 18:16:32 GMT -8
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not finding any Canadian/rebuilt BNSF SD40's on the Athearn website under retired models? There do appear to be some CN units. They probably disappeared when a lot of the older products did a little while back. I know they were made, I very nearly bought the last one at one of my favorite shops but someone else got it first. |
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Post by 690 on May 5, 2022 20:47:09 GMT -8
There’s is a GMD. BN (7167-7205, 7206-7235, & 8074-8089) and I think some UP were GMD; but I’m not sure what the spotting features would be. The BN 7206-7235 group had no reinforcing ribs in the blower housing, which is a GMD spotting feature IIRC. In addition they also had Q-fans, exhaust silencer, standard dynamic braking and dual fuel filler necks (a standard feature of BN's coal fleet SD40-2s). Didn’t they also come on Dofasco cast trucks? |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on May 7, 2022 3:24:48 GMT -8
The BN 7206-7235 group had no reinforcing ribs in the blower housing, which is a GMD spotting feature IIRC. In addition they also had Q-fans, exhaust silencer, standard dynamic braking and dual fuel filler necks (a standard feature of BN's coal fleet SD40-2s). Didn’t they also come on Dofasco cast trucks? I checked many but didn't see any with a Dofasco logo. But I did find 7226 riding on trucks with an EMD logo: www.flickr.com/photos/90431313@N05/36351478880/sizes/o/For reference, the Dofasco logo should look like this: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=287268 |
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Post by 690 on May 7, 2022 7:07:42 GMT -8
Yes, I figured out why I was confusing it... there was a leaser former BN SD40-2 running around in my area for a little while that was on Dofasco trucks. |
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Post by carrman on May 7, 2022 9:13:30 GMT -8
**************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** gevohogger posted: from the thread "What has Tangent chosen for their next caboose" Maybe Scale Trains treats the SD40-2 like it is a china doll or something.... Too much handling and it's liable to break. So instead they release new runs very sporadically. We've seen a lot of "niche" locomotives in recent years - the C430, SDL39, UP Turbine, etc.... The SD40-2 is the polar opposite. They could release a new group of SD40-2s four or five times a year and the market will never get over-saturated. Heck, if they start running out of road names and paint schemes to do, just fill out the order with more BNs and UPs. Those two roads had so many of them and people will buy them. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** As far as I can remember (I do not keep track of what ST is doing anymore), ST has yet to tool a non-dynamic brake hatch for the SD40-2. So they still have more that can be offered maybe. These are all that come to mind. Maybe others as well. Mopac UP ex-Mopac GT ex-UP, ex-Mopac Soo Line IC ICG Rock Island BTW, has ST offered their SD40-2 in L&N yet? I still have gobs of Kato SD40-2's that I can pull from to create a model so I do not need any ST models. But it does appear from what I am reading that ST has a BUNCH of road names that can still be offered that they have not done yet. Remember, a proper Mopac SD40-2 will also need a new sidesill tooled up with the 4 jacking pads found on each side as Mopac ordered them. |
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Post by drolsen on May 7, 2022 9:36:42 GMT -8
from what I've seen, the Bowser GMDD SD40-2/SD40-2F is probably the closest thing we have seen to a 'scale' 40-2 yet. When you have the model sitting on the track and compare it to photos, it looks spot on in nearly every way. And they run like it too, a Bowser 40-2 is much pickier about track than say, an Athearn or a KATO I love the Bowser SD40-2s and have several of them. I’m sure I’m sounding like a broken record here, but I’m hoping that ST will produce the MP version of their model soon because CP inherited a bunch of MP/UP EMDs that they converted with dynamic brakes and painted in the Dual Flags scheme. ST did those in the Operator series but without the MP/UP specific details. So by adding dynamics and a few other small details, they can include CP with a UP/MP run. Dave |
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Post by riogrande on May 7, 2022 9:45:16 GMT -8
It would be nice to see ST announce something besides modern wide cabs, but I guess they sell.
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Post by fr8kar on May 7, 2022 10:18:17 GMT -8
It would be nice to see ST announce something besides modern wide cabs, but I guess they sell. Have we already forgotten about the GP30? The SD45? SDL39? I'd like to see another run of the C39-8 in as-delivered NS and Conrail myself. I've got spots on my roster for those standard cab locomotives. Just need them to be announced. |
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Post by riogrande on May 7, 2022 10:38:05 GMT -8
Nope. I was going to mention the GP30 yes. The last batch of SD45's seems like it's been a while. The SDL39 is, as some point out, limited interest. Personally I've been wanting to see another run of SD45's for the common L window SP SD45's and of course D&RGW. I would have figured Paul Elliott would have made the SP SD45's happen - the common L window with high mount brake cylinders.
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Post by carrman on May 7, 2022 10:39:42 GMT -8
Nope. I was going to mention the GP30 yes. The last batch of SD45's seems like it's been a while. The SDL39 is, as some point out, limited interest. Personally I've been wanting to see another run of SD45's for the common L window SP SD45's and of course D&RGW. I would have figured Paul Elliott would have made the SP SD45's happen. Last release was just a few months ago with the SP SD45R's as part of it. |
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Post by riogrande on May 7, 2022 10:43:39 GMT -8
Yep. I guess it seems like I've gotten a number of emails / news flashes and hoping to see something of interest. Never mind. I'll wait until Dec 31 or whenever the GP30's finally arrive and see if ST has anything of interest to me in the mean time. The up side is less stress on my wallet!
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Post by surlyknuckle on May 7, 2022 13:54:34 GMT -8
So I gather the consensus is....more of EVERYTHING.
I agree.
So while the probably don't need to do another Savage C39-8 or N de M SD40-2, a run of the NS C39-8s and BN SD40-2s would be welcomed.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 19:01:34 GMT -8
Please please please U36C. Even my friend at one importer just commented today that in his opinion the Atlas U36C most likely requires far too much updating to get the model up to today's standards - that instead a total replacement is due. Santa Fe had 100 units, which paved the way for even more GE's.
I hope ST does the U36C.
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Post by NCC42768 on May 9, 2022 19:27:30 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird/frustrating that they've done a 'faded, ex-BN whiteface" BNSF-patch, but not a "proper" BN whiteface? It's like they did all the artwork/research needed for BN whiteface---then didn't actually do BN whiteface...
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Post by fr8kar on May 9, 2022 20:26:27 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird/frustrating that they've done a 'faded, ex-BN whiteface" BNSF-patch, but not a "proper" BN whiteface? It's like they did all the artwork/research needed for BN whiteface---then didn't actually do BN whiteface... I have the same issue with the Trinity Backpacker well car in BN paint patched for BNSF but not the original BN paint. I could modify the original to the patched scheme if I so desired but not the other way around. So no sale for me. Hopefully the third run will have the BN as-delivered paint. Anybody see the Discount Depot at the ScaleTrains website? Some good stuff there. |
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Post by TBird1958 on May 10, 2022 6:45:02 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird/frustrating that they've done a 'faded, ex-BN whiteface" BNSF-patch, but not a "proper" BN whiteface? It's like they did all the artwork/research needed for BN whiteface---then didn't actually do BN whiteface... I have this issue with a lot of their product releases, especially the SD45 and GP30, they simply do not understand how to release product. It's inept at best, they further it by saying "we'll do it sometime in the future" and nothing actually happens, is it any wonder things are slow with them. |
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Post by riogrande on May 10, 2022 7:43:52 GMT -8
I figure the GP30 "some day in future", at least with Rio Grande, is because the people with the power to decide made choices for us based on their desires. So they get what they want first run and we wait for 2nd, 3rd or 4th run which will have much higher prices because prices always go up, uP, UP.
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Post by gevohogger on May 10, 2022 7:55:31 GMT -8
I figure the GP30 "some day in future", at least with Rio Grande, is because the people with the power to decide made choices for us based on their desires. So they get what they want first run and we wait for 2nd, 3rd or 4th run which will have much higher prices because prices always go up, uP, UP. You're one of the lucky ones, though; they did your road (Rio Grande) in the first run.
I know a lot of Soo Line and AZCR and Nickel Plate and GN modellers who are waiting... Waiting... Waiting...
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 10, 2022 8:08:47 GMT -8
Well, we don't want them to "bite off more than they can chew", do we?
I'm lucky, too, because they DIDN'T run UP, GN, Q, BN all at once. YIKES, what a bloodbath. And then there's the BN GP39's, or whatever they're called. Want some of them, too. And also in BNSF. And BN patches. Yup, really don't need all of those at once!
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Post by fr8kar on May 10, 2022 8:22:18 GMT -8
I just sent ScaleTrains an email with my wish list on it, to wit:
I know they pop in here from time to time, but I figure it's better to send it directly.
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Post by riogrande on May 10, 2022 8:35:40 GMT -8
I figure the GP30 "some day in future", at least with Rio Grande, is because the people with the power to decide made choices for us based on their desires. So they get what they want first run and we wait for 2nd, 3rd or 4th run which will have much higher prices because prices always go up, uP, UP. You're one of the lucky ones, though; they did your road (Rio Grande) in the first run. I know a lot of Soo Line and AZCR and Nickel Plate and GN modellers who are waiting... Waiting... Waiting...
Well, not really. Yes, it's Rio Grande but they are modeling after late 80's thru mid-90's versions. Mark and I want the earlier 1970s version, not the late-in-life GP30. So we have to wait for "someday" or compromise and take the latter day version. |
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Post by gevohogger on May 10, 2022 9:03:26 GMT -8
You're one of the lucky ones, though; they did your road (Rio Grande) in the first run. I know a lot of Soo Line and AZCR and Nickel Plate and GN modellers who are waiting... Waiting... Waiting...
Well, not really. Yes, it's Rio Grande but they are modeling after late 80's thru mid-90's versions. Mark and I want the earlier 1970s version, not the late-in-life GP30. So we have to wait for "someday" or compromise and take the latter day version. What's the difference? Of all the railroads GP30s I can think of, Rio Grande's probably changed the least between delivery and retirement. What if the next run doesn't come for twenty years? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 9:12:58 GMT -8
I am waiting for a Rivet Counter Santa Fe standard nose length SD40-2. I just cannot like the snoots at all. The Intermountain, BLI, Athearn and Kato SD40-2 units just do not and cannot work for me. They all have their issues with drooping pilots, not so great details, handrails, generally not so great QA/QC, or in Kato's case poor paint color. I'm not going to take my pick of second best options. It has to be either ST or Bowser, and ATSF never had a GMD version, so for ATSF that means ST.
ST has re-run the snoots only.
Likewise, Rapido released a gorgeous B36-7 model--I will definitely grant them that--but to date have never offered the Santa Fe version with the ugly sound baffles removed, except as the one Kodachrome unit, which I do have despite the paint color issue. The regular yellowbonnet version without the sound baffles would sell really well--the ones with the sound baffles seem to have lingered in dealer inventories. Not everybody wants those.
John
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Post by fr8kar on May 10, 2022 9:27:12 GMT -8
The regular yellowbonnet version without the sound baffles would sell really well--the ones with the sound baffles seem to have lingered in dealer inventories. Not everybody wants those. John How hard are the baffles to remove? They're just attached between the handrails and the radiator overhang, correct? Or are they molded as part of the handrail assembly? |
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Post by riogrande on May 10, 2022 9:36:01 GMT -8
Well, not really. Yes, it's Rio Grande but they are modeling after late 80's thru mid-90's versions. Mark and I want the earlier 1970s version, not the late-in-life GP30. So we have to wait for "someday" or compromise and take the latter day version. What's the difference? Of all the railroads GP30s I can think of, Rio Grande's probably changed the least between delivery and retirement. What if the next run doesn't come for twenty years? As I've dug into the details, it's a bunch of things - plow, antenna, builders plate, nose signal light, horn, re-railer, etc., might have missed some things. Now those very handy, like some may be, can change a lot of those things to back date. I did some digging into photo's of the GP30's around 1980+, which sort of fit my period of interest and some of the ST D&RGW GP30's do seem to be pretty close because it seems during the late 70's thru mid 80's, some things were swapped out such as firecracker antena for sinclair, or notched plow for straight side plow, or Mars light for Gyra light, etc. I believe Mark prefers the GP30's matching early 70's configuration so it would require more modifications to backdate them sufficiently so it's that or wait until ST produces them. |
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Post by TBird1958 on May 10, 2022 9:59:09 GMT -8
Well, not really. Yes, it's Rio Grande but they are modeling after late 80's thru mid-90's versions. Mark and I want the earlier 1970s version, not the late-in-life GP30. So we have to wait for "someday" or compromise and take the latter day version. What's the difference? Of all the railroads GP30s I can think of, Rio Grande's probably changed the least between delivery and retirement. What if the next run doesn't come for twenty years? Actually there are quite a lot of detail changes - if they small and easily replaced I would likely have gone ahead and signed on for some, unfortunately the more I really looked it became clear that they would not work out so well for me. I'm not afraid of some modelling but for me they just didn't justify a purchase. My decision was made easier by a couple of other factors as well, the units they choose to do in Rio Grande were all late Phase units and/or wreck rebuilds and I already have 5 finished Kato/LLP2K GP30s (two left to do) that are good models ( I can already see that the old LLP2K handrails are better than ST's) that run really well with other Atlas, Kato Genesis units on my roster. TL/DR I kept over 1k of money and used it towards an expensive vintage bass guitar- no regrets. |
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Post by sd80mac on May 10, 2022 10:13:02 GMT -8
Well, not really. Yes, it's Rio Grande but they are modeling after late 80's thru mid-90's versions. Mark and I want the earlier 1970s version, not the late-in-life GP30. So we have to wait for "someday" or compromise and take the latter day version. What's the difference? Of all the railroads GP30s I can think of, Rio Grande's probably changed the least between delivery and retirement. What if the next run doesn't come for twenty years? There is virtually no differences. It's all easily changed things like rerail frogs and antennas. People just love splitting hairs. I think they just look for any excuse they can to NOT buy something. |
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