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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 10:17:39 GMT -8
The regular yellowbonnet version without the sound baffles would sell really well--the ones with the sound baffles seem to have lingered in dealer inventories. Not everybody wants those. John How hard are the baffles to remove? They're just attached between the handrails and the radiator overhang, correct? Or are they molded as part of the handrail assembly? Based upon the prototype photos, they are attached to the handrails and attached to the radiator. I was assuming maybe some of the parts are metal, and while I can do some paint touch up, I'm not confident of my ability to remove them neatly, clean up any residue neatly, and properly retouch the paint afterwards without making the model look bad. Here in PA, I haven't seen one of those close up to be able to get a good look at it (the early CR versions are gone). The point was they said at the time that the other version would follow at a later date, and as with some SD40-2 versions, it has not. Maybe instead of launching new stuff, they should have released the models people were looking for first. John |
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Post by drsvelte on May 10, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -8
How is that humanly possible?  |
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Post by fr8kar on May 10, 2022 14:25:16 GMT -8
I just got a follow-up email from ScaleTrains. If you have ideas for products send them here: ideas@scaletrains.com
I agree on the snoots, especially the SD40-2 snoots over the SD40T-2 snoots.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 14:26:41 GMT -8
How is that humanly possible? Hello drsvelte-- Lol. Sorry. Didn't mean to rain on your parade. I design things for a living. My eye wants to see balance, whether it's a car or something else. it's just that to me personally the long 118 or 123" snoot nose makes the engine look too "front heavy" in proportion--especially with the long rear porch. It's just an aesthetic design thing, a sense of reasonable visual proportion. I think the regular SD40-2 with the 76" or 88" nose looks...well like the perfect EMD visually. I don't get to design locomotives, and the long nose was specifically designed to accommodate the Locotrol remote control equipment in use on some roads at the time. John |
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Post by cemr5396 on May 11, 2022 14:53:30 GMT -8
I don't get to design locomotives, and the long nose was specifically designed to accommodate the Locotrol remote control equipment in use on some roads at the time. John What I don't get, is how the US roads needed 116, and then 123" when GMDD London could make the exact same radios fit in a 102" nose. On that note, I've always thought the long nose GMD units were the best looking SD40-2s. The 81" nose, with the resulting big empty space on the front of the unit, looks odd to my eyes while a 102" nosed SD40-2 has about the same amount of space between the end of the nose and the front of the unit as a 4-axle GP unit. GMD over EMD, long nose over short nose. Any day of the week. And yes, I am biased by nationality.   |
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Post by sd40dash2 on May 11, 2022 15:12:32 GMT -8
^ CP Rail SD40-2s will last forever and go on for all time as pride/backbone of the fleet.
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Post by 690 on May 11, 2022 16:56:14 GMT -8
In my personal experience the 123" noses were very cramped trying to walk around the nose. As mentioned above, the 102" noses are nice aesthetically and an added bonus is the handbrake wheel on the 102" noses (and shorter noses) is far enough back from the handrail bend that you can squeeze by it with your grip. The 123" noses have the handbrake just about right in the way as you're trying to squeeze by the bend in the handrail where it transitions from vertical to horizontal.
Interestingly, the first group of CP GP38-2s have that problem where the handbrake wheel is right in the way too. The later orders either pushed it back a bit, or used a thinner handbrake wheel (never bothered to check which).
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 17:36:17 GMT -8
Yes the 102" nose definitely looks better than 123". I do not know what the Americans did with the extra space: more spacious restroom? Larger sand compartment? I'd like to know.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 11, 2022 19:35:47 GMT -8
It's the hot tub.
These were later removed because the water sloshed out and shorted the traction motors. Apparently, employees did not realize the hot tubs were only to be used when the locomotive was not in motion, such as being stuck in a siding for several hours.
If it had worked out, there was talk of a skylight in the top of the nose, as it got fairly dark in there. And then there were the sexual harassment claims.......
Still, it's important to remember that a happy and relaxed employee is, well, a happy and relaxed employee. And that's good. I think.
Ed
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Post by lvrr325 on May 12, 2022 8:40:14 GMT -8
Yes the 102" nose definitely looks better than 123". I do not know what the Americans did with the extra space: more spacious restroom? Larger sand compartment? I'd like to know. You don't really want a big restroom on a locomotive. At least not if you need to use it while the train is moving. Particularly on a less than ideally maintained, jointed rail secondary. Unless you have three or four arms. Don't ask how I know. |
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Post by sgoti on May 12, 2022 17:17:18 GMT -8
What's the difference? Of all the railroads GP30s I can think of, Rio Grande's probably changed the least between delivery and retirement. What if the next run doesn't come for twenty years? As I've dug into the details, it's a bunch of things - plow, antenna, builders plate, nose signal light, horn, re-railer, etc., might have missed some things. Now those very handy, like some may be, can change a lot of those things to back date. I did some digging into photo's of the GP30's around 1980+, which sort of fit my period of interest and some of the ST D&RGW GP30's do seem to be pretty close because it seems during the late 70's thru mid 80's, some things were swapped out such as firecracker antena for sinclair, or notched plow for straight side plow, or Mars light for Gyra light, etc. I believe Mark prefers the GP30's matching early 70's configuration so it would require more modifications to backdate them sufficiently so it's that or wait until ST produces them. Don't forget the presence/absence of those all-important ACI labels... |
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Post by riogrande on May 12, 2022 17:38:40 GMT -8
I did forget them! How naughty of me!
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Post by joppasub on May 14, 2022 13:47:17 GMT -8
ScaleTrains has the MP information that was provided by Nathan and the MPHS. So, it is up to them as to if/when they will do the engine. As Dave stated; there are some tooling changes needed to accomplish the MP style of walkway and fuel tank detailing.
I would hope for an MP undecorated unit...personally.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on May 15, 2022 4:30:33 GMT -8
I would love to see the ICG orange and white version, though I think it was only 4 units...Intermountain did them but most of that run have QA/QC issues.  20171029_132634_wm by Matthew Fisher, on Flickr  20170820_224041_wm by Matthew Fisher, on Flickr Here are a couple of my Custom Kato SD40-2's. I have #'s 6032/6033 and one of the Ex-RI #6044 |
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Post by unittrain on May 15, 2022 8:41:34 GMT -8
That GP30 is awesome also, the weathering and faded orange.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 15:06:49 GMT -8
Chessiefan1978--
Great ICG engines! I'm a Santa Fe fan primarily, but ICG has always been very interesting to me.
Beautiful work on the engines and the scenery! Seriously.
Yes, we can use more ICG SD40-2's.
John
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Post by joppasub on May 22, 2022 12:01:07 GMT -8
Is that GP30 sporting a Kato drive? If so...excellent consist.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on May 23, 2022 8:20:16 GMT -8
Is that GP30 sporting a Kato drive? If so...excellent consist. Yep, ALL of my Proto 2000 GP30's have Kato GP35 chassis and drives under them. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on May 23, 2022 8:22:54 GMT -8
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 23, 2022 8:38:37 GMT -8
Good work there, ICG guys!!!
Ed
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Post by slowfreight on May 23, 2022 11:58:55 GMT -8
Is that GP30 sporting a Kato drive? If so...excellent consist. Yep, ALL of my Proto 2000 GP30's have Kato GP35 chassis and drives under them. Got any pics of the modified Kato chassis with the AAR type B trucks? Curious how it was done. |
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Post by fishbelly on May 23, 2022 12:13:07 GMT -8
If the side frames are Stewart, then it is just a simple side frame swap. Wrong wheel base though. If you are using Kato AAR Type B truck sets. Then you have to do some cutting to the bolster pad and create a recess behind the bolster to clear the gear hump. Then you need to remove a scale 9.5" (0.109") off each end of the tank.
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Post by sd80mac on May 23, 2022 12:56:45 GMT -8
I'll add some additional road names to the "wow I can't believe they haven't done this because you'd think they'd sell well" Scaletrains SD40-2 pool:
Grand Trunk Western (blue)
CN (ex GTW and ex IC repaints)
90s/2000s Union Pacific with and without ditch lights (seriously, they had over 1,000 at that point, ANYONE modeling that time period can get away with at least one)
CSX YN2, YN3, and YN3B with ditch lights
Seaboard System
Burlington Northern (white face)
Santa Fe (90s versions with relocated nose headlights)
Illinois Central (Death Star)
Illinois Central Gulf
HLCX (lots of paint schemes they could do)
FURX (same)
GATX
Conrail Quality
Norfolk Southern (high hoods and ex N&W low nose)
Genesee & Wyoming (so many road names to choose from)
SOO Line (hockey stick and Candy Apple)
CP (ex SOO)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 15:40:39 GMT -8
Santa Fe non-snoot Rivet Counter versions with standard nose length (all versions).
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Post by middledivision on May 24, 2022 7:06:20 GMT -8
I'll add some additional road names to the "wow I can't believe they haven't done this because you'd think they'd sell well" Scaletrains SD40-2 pool: Grand Trunk Western (blue) CN (ex GTW and ex IC repaints) 90s/2000s Union Pacific with and without ditch lights (seriously, they had over 1,000 at that point, ANYONE modeling that time period can get away with at least one) CSX YN2, YN3, and YN3B with ditch lights Seaboard System Burlington Northern (white face) Santa Fe (90s versions with relocated nose headlights) Illinois Central (Death Star) Illinois Central Gulf HLCX (lots of paint schemes they could do) FURX (same) GATX Conrail Quality Norfolk Southern (high hoods and ex N&W low nose) Genesee & Wyoming (so many road names to choose from) SOO Line (hockey stick and Candy Apple) CP (ex SOO) It's my understanding that ST recently spent some big bucks on tooling that will allow them to offer many of these units listed above. |
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Post by riogrande on May 24, 2022 7:15:05 GMT -8
Yes, Broadway Ltd tooling wasn't it?
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Post by sd80mac on May 24, 2022 7:49:46 GMT -8
Yes, Broadway Ltd tooling wasn't it? What in the world are you talking about. |
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Post by riogrande on May 24, 2022 8:22:55 GMT -8
Yes, Broadway Ltd tooling wasn't it? What in the world are you talking about. ScaleTrains obtained tooling from another company. That's what I'm talking about. But I may have the name wrong. |
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Post by 690 on May 24, 2022 8:46:35 GMT -8
What in the world are you talking about. ScaleTrains obtained tooling from another company. That's what I'm talking about. But I may have the name wrong. They acquired tooling from MTH, but I'd assume any tooling for new variations of the SD40-2 would be new tooling. |
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Post by riogrande on May 24, 2022 9:09:09 GMT -8
Thanks 690; MTH it is.
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